• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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Honestly, Wystan, this is why people keep coming back to your stance on torture. It is indicative of your entire mindset regarding the world we live in. It is fueled by personal feelings, not facts, to such an extreme degree that it stands in active and blatant opposition to reason and reality itself. Your purposeful, obstinate ignorance is what makes you such a pariah, and it is prevalent throughout your entire ideological makeup. Whether we're discussing abortion, foreign policy, taxes, race relations -- whatever! Your stance on torture comes up because it explains, so perfectly, the kind of person that we're dealing with when it comes to debating you. There's just no point.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;51342591]So when the economy inevitably drops to shit within the next few years, who will Trump voters blame? Obama?[/QUOTE] 1000000000% confirmed they'll blame Obama.
i'd like to point out Wystan, that the best method of extracting information from prisoners [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff"]did not involve physical torture[/URL] so knowing this, why go through with physical torture?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342596]Drowning a sack of kittens may not have ever helped us stop a terrorist attack before, but if you don't think I'll do [I]every necessary[/I] to protect my fellow Americans then you are just as bad as ISIS. I will drown a litter of kittens every single morning if that's what it takes for me to discover terroristic plots against my people![/QUOTE] Leave kitties out of this.
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342600]Well normally people go to prison for the things that Hillary did as well. And like a lot of her supporters say. "She was never convicted." Guess what, neither was Trump! Is he a good guy. No. But I trust him more that Hillary any day.[/QUOTE] I'm aware of that, but, like, it doesn't really change the nature of my statement (or yours [or Trump's]). You said sarcastically ejected, "but Trump grabbed a woman," as if that was some real small potatoes and we should all just ignore it. It's definitely not. Even if Trump was just engaging in some so-called "locker room," and assuming all the allegations against him are false, that's a pretty fuckin' repugnant thing for the leader of the free world to be bragging about. It [B]is[/B] kind of a big deal, mate. It says volumes about the kind of man that Donald Trump really is. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;51342632]i'd like to point out Wystan, that the best method of extracting information from prisoners [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff"]did not involve physical torture[/URL] so knowing this, why go through with physical torture?[/QUOTE] Because he'll do everything necessary to save lives. Duh. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bugga12;51342641]Leave kitties out of this.[/QUOTE] Do you not want me to stop ISIS, or something? If drowning kittens will save lives, I'll drown kittens day and night. You say that drowning kittens has literally zero relevance to saving lives? That it is an objective and well documented fact that drowning kittens isn't going to uncover intelligence critical to our national security? Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of all these kittens I'm drowning. I'll do whatever is necessary to stop ISIS!
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342642]I'm aware of that, but, like, it doesn't really change the nature of my statement (or yours [or Trump's]). You said sarcastically ejected, "but Trump grabbed a woman," as if that was some real small potatoes and we should all just ignore it. It's definitely not. Even if Trump was just engaging in some so-called "locker room," and assuming all the allegations against him are false, that's a pretty fuckin' repugnant thing for the leader of the free world to be bragging about. It [B]is[/B] kind of a big deal, mate. It says volumes about the kind of man that Donald Trump really is.[/QUOTE] He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342642]Do you not want me to stop ISIS, or something? If drowning kittens will save lives, I'll drown kittens day and night. You say that drowning kittens has literally zero relevance to saving lives? That it is an objective and well documented fact that drowning kittens isn't going to uncover intelligence critical to our national security? Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of all these kittens I'm drowning. I'll do whatever is necessary to stop ISIS![/QUOTE] Leave, kitties, out, of, this. Goddamn it. :c
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342642]Do you not want me to stop ISIS, or something? If drowning kittens will save lives, I'll drown kittens day and night. You say that drowning kittens has literally zero relevance to saving lives? That it is an objective and well documented fact that drowning kittens isn't going to uncover intelligence critical to our national security? Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of all these kittens I'm drowning. I'll do whatever is necessary to stop ISIS![/QUOTE] [I]But what happens when you run out of kittens. :O[/I]
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342675]He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.[/QUOTE] You're being the disingenuous one. He didn't sweep it under the rug. You ARE.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342515]I think I said this last time, it's not like we'd torture ever low level courier, that would be unnecessary cruelty, but if we captured Abu-Bakr Al-Baghdadi or something, I'm sure there's information to be gleaned, again torture would be like the fourth option used if all the more civil methods didn't work.[/QUOTE] Whoever you would use torture on, the point is it doesn't work and increasing it is a mistake.
Honestly trying to argue Wystan is like pointless torture that doesn't gain useful information lol
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342675]He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.[/QUOTE] More of the same "b-but Hillary" we've seen all election. We agreed long ago that she's also done shady shit but why are you refusing to address the same behavior from Trump directly instead of deflecting?
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342675]He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.[/QUOTE] I'm literally not ignoring anything that Hillary has done. This discussion has nothing to with Hillary. Hell, I'm not even making any specific allegations towards Trump here, other than verifying the fact that he's made certain statements. I am very specifically calling [U]you[/U] out for your comment's implication that sexually assaulting a woman is somehow not worthy of discussion. Quit trying to shift this into something it isn't in order to deflect the focus away from your own slipup. All you have to do here is say, "yeah, I guess that implication on my part [I]was[/I] a bit fucked up," and there's no longer any issue.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51342508]I wholly expect someone to attempt to assassinate Trump in the near future (and with more planning than "grab a gun from a guard loel") given the history of presidential assassination the USA has. And I honestly would have to chuckle a bit if it happened because the dumb cunt repeatedly all but outright called for the assassination of Clinton during the campaign trail, using weasel words to give himself and "out". But in context, and known the history of the country they were basically requests for some 2A fucknut to shoot her dead. I'm not saying it'd be the right course of action. Just that it'd be ironic enough to get a bit of a chuckle before I get down to the nitty-gritty of contemplating how fucked the USA would be after that one. What the fuck is in the water over there that convinced you guys this man, this bastion of stupidity, could run a country? At least Nixon was a Senator for a while before you gave him the keys to the nationwide ride. And look how badly he fucked you (and the rest of us) up, economics is a fucking mess because of him still and the middle east may not have been in quite this state if he didn't intervene with supporting Israel as hard as he did. Trump is this man, but stupider and willing to hand actual control to Pence, who appears to be some form of ancient curse in the form of man?[/QUOTE] Nixon established the EPA, OSHA, balanced the budget, expanded welfare among other things. He did a lot of things that were liberal by today's standards but he was just crooked and smart. He didn't fuck up the economy AFAIK. He even signed a law mandating girls sports teams receive equal funding to boys teams. Trump is just stupid and crooked.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51342681]You're being the disingenuous one. He didn't sweep it under the rug. You ARE.[/QUOTE] I never was! Like I said I don't like either of them. But people keep ignoring the Horrible things Hillary has done and focus on this one thing Trump said 11 years ago. So what from I gather from her supporters. It is okay to lie, cheat, steal, cover up, and put national security at risk. But don't you DARE talk about touching a woman EVER. I think their priorities are messed up.
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342675]He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.[/QUOTE] Why does it matter that it was 11 years ago?
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342712]I never was! Like I said I don't like either of them. But people keep ignoring the Horrible things Hillary has done and focus on this one thing Trump said 11 years ago. So what from I gather from her supporters. It is okay to lie, cheat, steal, cover up, and put national security at risk. But don't you DARE talk about touching a woman EVER. I think their priorities are messed up.[/QUOTE] This isn't about Hillary. This isn't about Trump. This is about [B]your comment.[/B] Stop deflecting and address that, please. Your comment was explicitly comparing the allegations against Trump to the allegations against Hillary, and strongly implying that sexual assault doesn't matter. All you gotta do here is say, "I didn't mean to make that implication, and I can see how that's pretty fucked up. Obviously, sexual assault is very serious," and we can defuse this situation into something a bit more honest and civil.
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342712]I never was! Like I said I don't like either of them. But people keep ignoring the Horrible things Hillary has done and focus on this one thing Trump said 11 years ago. So what from I gather from her supporters. It is okay to lie, cheat, steal, cover up, and put national security at risk. But don't you DARE talk about touching a woman EVER. I think their priorities are messed up.[/QUOTE] Donald Trump is a literal rapist, a homophobe, a xenophobe, called for Muslims to wear identifying symbols before he was forced to back out of it, is a heartless human being, legitimately believes it's OK for religious discrimination to be a thing, hasnt paid taxes in 20 years because "clever businessman", and far far more for me to mention here besides this. He has also lied, cheated, and stolen often enough considering he has ties to the goddamn Mafia. He's more of the same crookedness in another format people were comfortable in actually electing because "the emails"
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342675]He was caught on video 11 years ago saying this. [b]The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary was not caught on video saying things like this[/B]. But yeah ignore EVERYTHING Hillary has done and focus on this thing he said 11 years ago. Gotta hold on to something.[/QUOTE] this is called projecting bda is not the one focusing on only one thing, you are
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342642]I'm aware of that, but, like, it doesn't really change the nature of my statement (or yours [or Trump's]). You said sarcastically ejected, "but Trump grabbed a woman," as if that was some real small potatoes and we should all just ignore it. It's definitely not. Even if Trump was just engaging in some so-called "locker room," and assuming all the allegations against him are false, that's a pretty fuckin' repugnant thing for the leader of the free world to be bragging about. It [B]is[/B] kind of a big deal, mate. It says volumes about the kind of man that Donald Trump really is.[/QUOTE] And yet he was elected. This needs to resonate with the left and make it realise that allowing it's regressive and authoritarian side run rampant has made it completely detatched from the working class and most of america. It's time for the left to actually become liberal again, or else it's only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51342740]this is called projecting bda is not the one focusing on only one thing, you are[/QUOTE] No, I am basically focusing on only one thing here. I'm focusing on his comment, and I'm exceedingly confused about why he keeps attempting to deflect the discussion into irrelevant tangents rather than just addressing my concern.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342748]No, I am basically focusing on only one thing here. I'm focusing on his comment, and I'm exceedingly confused about why he keeps attempting to deflect the discussion into irrelevant tangents rather than just addressing my concern.[/QUOTE] Hint: it's because he has no argument.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51342729]Why does it matter that it was 11 years ago?[/QUOTE] Man I guess I just wish I was as politically correct 24/7 since the beginning of my life as you. I have in the past said things I now regret. I apologize that I cannot live up to these standards.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51342748]No, I am basically focusing on only one thing here. I'm focusing on his comment, and I'm exceedingly confused about why he keeps attempting to deflect the discussion into irrelevant tangents rather than just addressing my concern.[/QUOTE] i meant focusing not in the sense that it's not the crux of your current argument, but meaning that he's acting like it's the one reason you didn't vote trump
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51342707]Nixon established the EPA, OSHA, balanced the budget, expanded welfare among other things. He did a lot of things that were liberal by today's standards but he was just crooked and smart. He didn't fuck up the economy AFAIK. He even signed a law mandating girls sports teams receive equal funding to boys teams. Trump is just stupid and crooked.[/QUOTE] Whoops. Got some names the wrong way around there. Probably should have proof read that. Mentally replace all occurrences of Nixon with Reagan whilst I go fix that!
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51341965]You shouldnt be able to vote if you're over 60 tbqh[/QUOTE] "You shouldn't be able to vote if you have a different world view than I have." You realize when you get that old you will have different views as well? Why should people be censored because of their age? [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51341969]Old people should be pushed out onto the ice to die. especially Republican old people t.Floridian.[/QUOTE] And you made arguments that Trump was a facist huh...
[QUOTE=wewt!;51342742]And yet he was elected. This needs to resonate with the left and make it realise that allowing it's regressive and authoritarian side run rampant has made it completely detatched from the working class and most of america. It's time for the left to actually become liberal again, or else it's only going to get worse.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I recognize that he was democratically elected, and I will respect the results of that election. However, I think we're going to fundamentally disagree on the subject of [I]why[/I] he won. Your claim that Democrats are authoritarian and regressive doesn't seem to be even remotely grounded in reality to me, especially when we're considering the fact that president elect himself is the one who has personally and officially promised to restrict 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 14th amendment rights. Democrats didn't lose election because we, as generalized entity, are authoritarian, regressive, and out of touch. We lost it because Hillary Clinton herself was an inherently dislikeable person with a massive closet of, at the very least, highly suspicious activity. Had Donald been face to face with [I]any[/I] other candidate, he would have been absolutely buried. This election was a battle between the two most unpopular candidates in electoral history. The "winner" is still a despised loser, he was just [I]slightly less[/I] of a despised loser.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342768]"You shouldn't be able to vote if you have a different world view than I have." You realize when you get that old you will have different views as well? Why should people be censored because of their age?[/QUOTE] i can't speak for how serious duck m is being or what else he'd say if he was to expand on that, but it's pretty obvious that he was talking about age not views. i mean, it's an 11 word post, how on earth do you miss that?
[QUOTE=Lunakrypt;51342763]Man I guess I just wish I was as politically correct 24/7 since the beginning of my life as you. I have in the past said things I now regret. I apologize that I cannot live up to these standards.[/QUOTE] When reading stuff like this I like to replace "Politically correct" with "Capable of showing people basic respect". It's hilarious how often it checks out in the original context.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51342764]i meant focusing not in the sense that it's not the crux of your current argument, but meaning that he's acting like it's the one reason you didn't vote trump[/QUOTE] Oh, I see. Yeah, his comments regarding women were only one small square in a massive quilt of reasons not to vote for him. I don't think I've ever in my life been as personally, politically, and culturally repulsed by any one person more than I am by Donald Trump.
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