• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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So if I post this image [t]http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/1500/Bush-Monkey--1840.jpg[/t] Am I a racist? [sp]Hint, I'm white[/sp]
[QUOTE=Charades;51343107]All things are fair play and it's up to people to interpret things as you are now. You see racism, I see people invoking the same insults used on Bush Jr. on Obama. I don't think there is any factual information for either opinion.[/QUOTE] Ah, the old "racism isn't a problem because i personally don't notice it because it doesn't affect me." How long until you start droning on about how they're "just words" and black people need to stop being offended by nigger etc.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51343092]Too bad they're only going to feel vindicated and feel further entrenched.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but for the rest of the left, it is a big bitch slap to wake up to.
[QUOTE=nVidia;51343086]I really don't get it why anyone would want to pay half of their salary as taxes and in return have the goverment nannying over every aspect of you life.[/QUOTE] What a hilarious misrepresentation of an actually functional system. "half your salary as taxes" means you don't end up paying "half your salary" directly to insurers who aren't going to cover you when you need it anyway. It means you aren't having to pay for heightened home security because your police forces are funded properly. It means you don't have to pay for a ambulance trip because nationalised healthcare is the fucking best. "Government nannying" isn't actually going to impede on your life. You can continue to be a fucking terrible human being all you want. You can get as fat as you fucking well want. You can smoke all you damn well please. Drink yourself to death. Jump off high walls and repeatedly break your ankles. The government isn't going to stop you, and they're obliged to then treat you with that sick-ass national health service because [I]you've actually paid for it already[/I]. These systems work out cheaper than anything "the free-est country in the world" has had for decades, and provide better services across the board, not just to those who have more money than sense.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51341176]you'll grow up and see how terrible trump is.[/QUOTE] Wants no fly zone. *cough*endorsed by Lockheed Martin who is Hillary's top donor*cough*
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;51342632]i'd like to point out Wystan, that the best method of extracting information from prisoners [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff"]did not involve physical torture[/URL] so knowing this, why go through with physical torture?[/QUOTE] Because this won't work without the threat of a gestapo and physical torture. If a prisoner knows he's not going to get tortured no matter what, that technique is useless.
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[QUOTE=Streecer;51343116]Ah, the old "racism isn't a problem because i personally don't notice it because it doesn't affect me." How long until you start droning on about how they're "just words" and black people need to stop being offended by nigger etc.[/QUOTE] That's some huge loops you just went through to reach that conclusion through my posts. All I'm saying is that if one political party used an insult liberally on a President, you shouldn't be surprised to see it used again without it having to do with racial stigma. It could have been a white President instead of Obama and he would have been photoshopped as a monkey. Monkeys are associated in comical form with stupidity, if someone finds a political person stupid there is typically monkey photoshops of them to be found. Because Obama is black hardly has anything to do with it besides being more bitter because of his skin color.
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[QUOTE=Sally;51342980]So Drumpf can be judged on his skin color because he wasn't born that way, or do [B]I need you to spoon feed me more[/B][/QUOTE] Clearly, yes you do. So here it goes: Black people have a vast history of subjugation and injustice done against them. Because of that history and the particulars of how they were derided (including, but not limited to, likening them to monkeys), some insults and comparisons (including, but not limited to, likening them to monkeys) carry heavy implications related to that history. Spray tanned people have no such history (and are not an ethnicity - something you haven't even acknowledged in this nonsensical crusade of yours), and thus these insults and comparisons don't carry the same implications Do you understand now?
[QUOTE=Charades;51343107]All things are fair play and it's up to people to interpret things as you are now. You see racism, I see people invoking the same insults used on Bush Jr. on Obama. I don't think there is any factual information for either opinion other than "people can be racist" which can be used in broad paint strokes to paint whatever narrative you want.[/QUOTE] Holy crap what a vapid conversation. Bush was portrayed of his monkey because of his big ears and idiotic nature, Obama was portrayed as a monkey only by a couple of racists who think it's still funny to compare black people to monkeys, and Trump is being compared to an orangutan because he's fucking orange. We know these things because if we look back on these portrayals and their context, we can clearly see the authors [I]intent & message.[/I] Just because you don't see it personally does not erase [I]their[/I] intent. And since I'm on the subject, people who go trump = orangutan hueheuh as a response to Trump supporters don't exactly come off as shining examples of humanity either.
[QUOTE=Sally;51343052]So you guys do accept that it really is wrong, its just that the person its targeting allows it to be ok. That's fine I accept your point, and I wont pursue this any more knowing that[/QUOTE] It's a moral gradient, of course, and I wouldn't personally go for such low hanging fruit [I](wait, shit, I literally just did)[/I], but this is a man who 1. has bullied his way to the presidency, 2. ostensibly poses a large threat to minorities, 3. insults people for petty reasons, like appearance, 4. has a funny appearance himself. It shouldn't be hard to see how you could justify mocking his appearance. I wouldn't be opposed to someone mocking Obama's appearance either. The only reason someone depicting Obama as a monkey would be really wrong is if it implies that he is monkey-like because of his race. And the reason [I]that[/I] would be wrong, just to explain the concept of racism to you I guess, is that you would be devaluing his existence based on his heritage rather than something he did or merely a physical trait. With Obama, it could obviously get confusing because putting his face on a monkey could either imply that he's stupid (see Bush above), [I]or[/I] it could be racially charged - I think people would be prone to interpret the latter, no matter the actual intention. That's why it's generally not okay to call Obama a monkey, but you can do it to white people because there's little chance that the insult is racially based. [QUOTE=Talishmar;51343131] [img]https://65.media.tumblr.com/beec2f77e8653351b5ec5294f229347a/tumblr_ogduesDiWc1qilswio2_540.png[/img][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;hn1VxaMEjRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU[/video]
[QUOTE=wewt!;51343150]Holy crap what a vapid conversation. Bush was portrayed of his monkey because of his big ears and idiotic nature[/QUOTE] Obama has big ears and people find him idiotic in nature. We're going to have to agree to disagree here, this conversation isn't going anywhere.
This is why we need education reform
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51343131][img]https://67.media.tumblr.com/8a62a5ffa6d2ca86eba1b5852cac6e5e/tumblr_ogduesDiWc1qilswio1_540.png[/img] [img]https://65.media.tumblr.com/beec2f77e8653351b5ec5294f229347a/tumblr_ogduesDiWc1qilswio2_540.png[/img][/QUOTE] I'm glad to report that this is neither the KKK nor was it taken this morning.
[QUOTE=Charades;51343133]That's some huge loops you just went through to reach that conclusion through my posts. All I'm saying is that if one political party used an insult liberally on a President, you shouldn't be surprised to see it used again without it having to do with racial stigma. It could have been a white President instead of Obama and he would have been photoshopped as a monkey. Monkeys are associated in comical form with stupidity, if someone finds a political person stupid there is typically monkey photoshops of them to be found. Because Obama is black hardly has anything to do with it besides being more bitter because of his skin color.[/QUOTE] a big part of it was because of bush's physical resemblance to a monkey
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51343155]It shouldn't be hard to see how you could justify mocking his appearance. [/QUOTE] You could justify that by simply stating "I don't like Trump". The thing that should be concerning you is why the hell would anyone partake in such bottom of the barrel insult throwing to begin. Yeah, he looks funny. But even if he didn't look funny, his policies would [I]still[/I] be mostly troubling, so why focus on such an irrelevant subject other than to achieve some sort of vengeful catharsis? [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Charades;51343163]Obama has big ears and people find him idiotic in nature. We're going to have to agree to disagree here, this conversation isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE] I can't believe I wrote a paragraph explaining the difference between your subjective interpretation of the joke versus the clearly visible intention of the original artist, when you didn't bother to read or comprehend it to begin with. I think the only thing we should agree on is that we're getting nowhere with this discussion.
This exists as well [url]https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/impeach-donald-trump-8[/url]
Next year if the US economy takes a shit Sanders is going to be standing tall with the most smug face and say "I told you so"
Just want to remind everyone that this election has proven that uneducated sociopaths like wystan are the majority in America. It's fucking terrifying.
[QUOTE=Charades;51343163]Obama has big ears and people find him idiotic in nature.[/QUOTE] There's nothing [I]that[/I] wrong about depicting him as a monkey for that reason, it just gets tricky because it's difficult to determine intent. [QUOTE=wewt!;51343183]The thing that should be concerning you is why the hell would anyone partake in such bottom of the barrel insult throwing to begin. Yeah, he looks funny. But even if he didn't look funny, his policies would [I]still[/I] be mostly troubling, so why focus on such an irrelevant subject other than to achieve some sort of vengeful catharsis?[/QUOTE]I do agree with that. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=QuinnithXD;51343205]This exists as well [url]https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/impeach-donald-trump-8[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Needs [B]84,988 signatures[/B] by [B]December 9, 2016[/B][/QUOTE] Can a president be impeached before the inauguration?
[QUOTE=Sally;51342940]that's one you can keep onto, because I really don't get it.[/QUOTE] You don't think Canada and the US have the most active trade border on earth, do you really have to understand why people call him orange for that to be true for many people?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51343216] Can a president be impeached before the inauguration?[/QUOTE] Not too sure actually, it's worth the shot though IMO. I don't claim to be very knowledgable in political law I just find the reaction to this fascinating.
[QUOTE=dustyjo;51343213]Just want to remind everyone that this election has proven that uneducated sociopaths like wystan are the majority in America. It's fucking terrifying.[/QUOTE] Or you could calm down and remind yourself that this election has only proven that Americans have chosen that Hillary is a worse candidate than Trump. Not everyone who voted for Hillary is an SJW, and not everyone who voted for Trump is an undeducated sociopath.
[QUOTE=Unknown Gamer;51343128]Wants no fly zone. *cough*endorsed by Lockheed Martin who is Hillary's top donor*cough*[/QUOTE] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541027&p=51342878&viewfull=1#post51342878"]I've got some bad news lad[/URL]
[QUOTE=wewt!;51343246]Or you could calm down and remind yourself that this election has only proven that Americans have chosen that Hillary is a worse candidate than Trump. Not everyone who voted for Hillary is an SJW, and not everyone who voted for Trump is an undeducated sociopath.[/QUOTE] This. Attitudes that pin people as hard left or hard right only further divide the nation. I'm proud to say I haven't even thought about cutting ties with friends who voted or think differently than me.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51343211]Next year if the US economy takes a shit Sanders is going to be standing tall with the most smug face and say "I told you so"[/QUOTE] maybe he can run again and win :dead:
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51343127]What a hilarious misrepresentation of an actually functional system. "half your salary as taxes" means you don't end up paying "half your salary" directly to insurers who aren't going to cover you when you need it anyway. It means you aren't having to pay for heightened home security because your police forces are funded properly. It means you don't have to pay for a ambulance trip because nationalised healthcare is the fucking best. "Government nannying" isn't actually going to impede on your life. You can continue to be a fucking terrible human being all you want. You can get as fat as you fucking well want. You can smoke all you damn well please. Drink yourself to death. Jump off high walls and repeatedly break your ankles. The government isn't going to stop you, and they're obliged to then treat you with that sick-ass national health service because [I]you've actually paid for it already[/I]. These systems work out cheaper than anything "the free-est country in the world" has had for decades, and provide better services across the board, not just to those who have more money than sense.[/QUOTE] Since when has socialism been a functional system? I have not used any of the public health care systems in Finland for almost 10 years now, i use company paid private ones. So it's obvious i don't want to pay for it. Sure you can do dumb shit and no form of government is going to prevent that. Nanny government impacts everyone's life, new cars cost literally twice as much as they should, thanks to the stupid taxing, resulting in cars in use being on average older than they are in Greece. Ridiculous limitations on alcohol that only increases the harms and encourages people to buy their booze cheaper across the water, leaving all the potential earnings out from the government. You as an entrepreneur are not even allowed to keep your doors open whenever you feel like it, for example hairdressers need to apply for a special permission to keep their doors open during independence, costing around 100€ to apply. Price of which was increased because it didn't generate enough profit to upkeep this system. About this somehow working out to be cheaper, i doubt that. Government monopolies are never more efficient compared to free market with actual competition.
[QUOTE=Unknown Gamer;51343128]Wants no fly zone. *cough*endorsed by Lockheed Martin who is Hillary's top donor*cough*[/QUOTE] Lockheed Martin was a donator to the Clinton Foundation and not even the top. Additionally I can't find anything on Lockheed Martin endorsing a no fly zone anywhere.
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