Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=J!NX;51343303]maybe he can run again and win
:dead:[/QUOTE]
Ideally, but what are the chances
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51343211]Next year if the US economy takes a shit Sanders is going to be standing tall with the most smug face and say "I told you so"[/QUOTE]
I think what we need here is a whole lot less smug "I told you so's" and offhanded dismissals. I've been entirely too guilty of that myself. I have spent that last year and a half dismissively rejecting the alt right as being an annoying, but essentially doomed movement. I failed to take them seriously, and that caused me to fail to show them proper credence. My own dismissive behavior has only helped to further entrench the people I've argued with, and the people who have sided with me. While I don't believe that my personal behavior could have changed anything throughout the course of this election as a whole, I do recognize that I personally contributed to the toxic atmosphere the plagued this election and gave voice to Trump and his ilk.
So, I'm not looking forward to any sense of personal or political vindication out of this, because I recognize that I am just as responsible for the rise of Trump as anybody else. Moving forward, I want to strive to take the perspectives of the people whom I've previously dismissed a little bit more seriously. I want to make a greater effort to be calm, composed, rational, and respectful, so that I can build a foundation of mutual respect, even in the face of extreme ideological difference. Hopefully, that will enable my arguments against the illogical foundations of their flawed ideology to not dismissed as readily as I dismissed theirs, and ultimately enable the discovery and some common ground and a move towards political moderacy.
I obviously can't change the past, or change the world, but at the very least I can try to have a more positive and constructive impact on the people I directly communicate with moving forward, and hope that others are doing the same.
I wholeheartedly believe that Donald Trump will be a disastrous and regressive force for our country, but this is the only reasonable way I can conceive to help prevent more Trumps from following in his footsteps. We all have to work to close the political schism that has been growing in this country.
[QUOTE=nVidia;51343305]Since when has socialism been a functional system?
I have not used any of the public health care systems in Finland for almost 10 years now, i use company paid private ones. So it's obvious i don't want to pay for it.
Sure you can do dumb shit and no form of government is going to prevent that. Nanny government impacts everyone's life, new cars cost literally twice as much as
they should, thanks to the stupid taxing, resulting in cars in use being on average older than they are in Greece. Ridiculous limitations on alcohol that only increases
the harms and encourages people to buy their booze cheaper across the water, leaving all the potential earnings out from the government. You as an entrepreneur
are not even allowed to keep your doors open whenever you feel like it, for example hairdressers need to apply for a special permission to keep their doors open
during independence, costing around 100€ to apply. Price of which was increased because it didn't generate enough profit to upkeep this system.
About this somehow working out to be cheaper, i doubt that. Government monopolies are never more efficient compared to free market with actual competition.[/QUOTE]
Yeah honestly I don't understand how he thinks you can just smoke and get fat as much as you want in a socialist state when in Yugoslavia you had to wait in line to get fucking cement and could only drive your car (or get gas, can't remember) on even or odd numbered days depending on which half you were assigned to. People who haven't lived through socialism have this weird idea that everything about it is better than capitalism, including my generation which hasn't grown up in a socialist Slovenia but still have direct contact with the generation that did. This again goes with this black&white mentality people are obsessed with, the proper solution is in an alloy of different systems, not just straight up capitalist or socialist.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343335]I think what we need here is a whole lot less smug "I told you so's" and offhanded dismissals. I've been entirely too guilty of that myself. I have spent that last year and a half dismissively rejecting the alt right as being an annoying, but essentially doomed movement. I failed to take them seriously, and that caused me to fail to show them proper credence. My own dismissive behavior has only helped to further entrench the people I've argued with, and the people who have sided with me. While I don't believe that my personal behavior could have changed anything throughout the course of this election as a whole, I do recognize that I personally contributed to the toxic atmosphere the plagued this election and gave voice to Trump and his ilk.
So, I'm not looking forward to any sense of personal or political vindication out of this, because I recognize that I am just as responsible for the rise of Trump as anybody else. Moving forward, I want to strive to take the perspectives of the people whom I've previously dismissed a little bit more seriously. I want to make a greater effort to be calm, composed, rational, and respectful, so that I can build a foundation of mutual respect, even in the face of extreme ideological difference. Hopefully, that will enable my arguments against the illogical foundations of their flawed ideology to not dismissed as readily as I dismissed theirs, and ultimately enable the discovery and some common ground and a move towards political moderacy.
I obviously can't change the past, or change the world, but at the very least I can try to have a more positive and constructive impact on the people I directly communicate with moving forward, and hope that others are doing the same.
I wholeheartedly believe that Donald Trump will be a disastrous and regressive force for our country, but this is the only reasonable way I can conceive to help prevent more Trumps from following in his footsteps. [B]We all have to work to close the political schism that has been growing in this country.[/B][/QUOTE]
Then we need to educate the fuck out of the entire population, and then wait for the old people with their old ideas to die
Then the new people will have outdated ideas since they keep on spawning in the younger generations
And everything comes always too little, too late
people give me shit for being apocaliptic and catastrophic about the future but why should I even bother trying to rationalise Trump and Brexit; we're a dumb species
[QUOTE=nVidia;51343305]Since when has socialism been a functional system?[/QUOTE]
Well firstly it's not actually socialism lol.
[quote=Socialism]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.[/quote]
Now, unless you own all the means of production in Finland. It's not Socialism, it's a social democracy/ social republic/ social whatever. Where certain aspects of some markets are socialised partially for the betterment of society as a whole.
Regulations and restrictions like that have little to nothing to do with the economic system in use however, despite us have socialised services all over the UK, we still have manageable taxes and shit on most luxury goods. Sure it may be cheaper to get stuff under the table, but that shit has a habit of being actually dangerous.
As for cost;
[url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP?year=2014&year_high_desc=true[/url]
Notice how the USA is in the top five, with almost linear increases on expenses year on year? Notice how most other countries in the world that don't follow the US system are platauing a bit or experience a much less steep increase in costs year on year?
Private only systems are hideously shifty. With no government intervention they will prey on patients as you have literally no other option but to pay for insurance unless you intend to never go to the hospital after a accident. Public/private hybrids where you can opt in to private care tend to work well, as it forces the private providers to actually provide higher quality care, rather than just fucking you over for quick cash.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343335]I think what we need here is a whole lot less smug "I told you so's" and offhanded dismissals. I've been entirely too guilty of that myself. I have spent that last year and a half dismissively rejecting the alt right as being an annoying, but essentially doomed movement. I failed to take them seriously, and that caused me to fail to show them proper credence. My own dismissive behavior has only helped to further entrench the people I've argued with, and the people who have sided with me. While I don't believe that my personal behavior could have changed anything throughout the course of this election as a whole, I do recognize that I personally contributed to the toxic atmosphere the plagued this election and gave voice to Trump and his ilk.
So, I'm not looking forward to any sense of personal or political vindication out of this, because I recognize that I am just as responsible for the rise of Trump as anybody else. Moving forward, I want to strive to take the perspectives of the people whom I've previously dismissed a little bit more seriously. I want to make a greater effort to be calm, composed, rational, and respectful, so that I can build a foundation of mutual respect, even in the face of extreme ideological difference. Hopefully, that will enable my arguments against the illogical foundations of their flawed ideology to not dismissed as readily as I dismissed theirs, and ultimately enable the discovery and some common ground and a move towards political moderacy.
I obviously can't change the past, or change the world, but at the very least I can try to have a more positive and constructive impact on the people I directly communicate with moving forward, and hope that others are doing the same.
I wholeheartedly believe that Donald Trump will be a disastrous and regressive force for our country, but this is the only reasonable way I can conceive to help prevent more Trumps from following in his footsteps. We all have to work to close the political schism that has been growing in this country.[/QUOTE]
I'm really worried about Trumps victory allowing increasingly terrible politicians taking roles in office
[QUOTE=wewt!;51343345]Yeah honestly I don't understand how he thinks you can just smoke and get fat as much as you want in a socialist state when in Yugoslavia you had to wait in line to get fucking cement and could only drive your car (or get gas, can't remember) on even or odd numbered days depending on which half you were assigned to. People who haven't lived through socialism have this weird idea that everything about it is better than capitalism, including my generation which hasn't grown up in a socialist Slovenia but still have direct contact with the generation that did. This again goes with this black&white mentality people are obsessed with, the proper solution is in an alloy of different systems, not just straight up capitalist or socialist.[/QUOTE]
It'd help if people were actually using Socialist to describe Socialist states and not social-whatevers. The two are worlds apart and I know raw socialism is quite flawed.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342768]"You shouldn't be able to vote if you have a different world view than I have."
You realize when you get that old you will have different views as well? Why should people be censored because of their age?[/QUOTE]
I think what he means by this, is that older people shouldn't be able to vote as they won't live with the consequences as long as though who will be living through the entirety of it.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51343368]It'd help if people were actually using Socialist to describe Socialist states and not social-whatevers. The two are worlds apart and I know raw socialism is quite flawed.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see you were the one that was talking about an alloy of different systems, not just straightforward socialism. My misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=dustyjo;51343213]Just want to remind everyone that this election has proven that uneducated sociopaths like wystan are the majority in America.
It's fucking terrifying.[/QUOTE]
More than proving that "uneducated sociopaths" are a majority in our country, I think it proved that our country has simply reached a cultural and political schism so wide and so deep that it has become increasingly difficult to actually [B]admit[/B] when your ideology has become toxic or flawed.
While I'm guilty of losing my patience with Wystan too, I think that if we (as a nation) had fostered an atmosphere where people like Wystan could create informed political opinions without feeling ridiculed or harassed for their initial ignorance, then perhaps we could have a more cooperative and comfortable environment that made it possible for the Wystans of the world to explore this shit more openly.
Again, I know I'm just as complicit in this as anybody else, but I honestly think we all need learn from this nationally humiliating experience, in order to ensure it doesn't happen again.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343335]I think what we need here is a whole lot less smug "I told you so's" and offhanded dismissals. I've been entirely too guilty of that myself. I have spent that last year and a half dismissively rejecting the alt right as being an annoying, but essentially doomed movement. I failed to take them seriously, and that caused me to fail to show them proper credence. My own dismissive behavior has only helped to further entrench the people I've argued with, and the people who have sided with me. While I don't believe that my personal behavior could have changed anything throughout the course of this election as a whole, I do recognize that I personally contributed to the toxic atmosphere the plagued this election and gave voice to Trump and his ilk.
So, I'm not looking forward to any sense of personal or political vindication out of this, because I recognize that I am just as responsible for the rise of Trump as anybody else. Moving forward, I want to strive to take the perspectives of the people whom I've previously dismissed a little bit more seriously. I want to make a greater effort to be calm, composed, rational, and respectful, so that I can build a foundation of mutual respect, even in the face of extreme ideological difference. Hopefully, that will enable my arguments against the illogical foundations of their flawed ideology to not dismissed as readily as I dismissed theirs, and ultimately enable the discovery and some common ground and a move towards political moderacy.
I obviously can't change the past, or change the world, but at the very least I can try to have a more positive and constructive impact on the people I directly communicate with moving forward, and hope that others are doing the same.
I wholeheartedly believe that Donald Trump will be a disastrous and regressive force for our country, but this is the only reasonable way I can conceive to help prevent more Trumps from following in his footsteps. We all have to work to close the political schism that has been growing in this country.[/QUOTE]
I didnt support any canidate in this election. I was actually really pulling for a 269 split so we can see how Congress votes. Why? Because this election is bigger than Trump and Clinton. This election pushed both parties to their breaking points.
2020 is going to be an interesting election. Reps might split off, Dems might do the same... Dems might sport an outsider? Do we have a situation where no candidate reaches 270?
[QUOTE=PoolForums;51343370]I think what he means by this, is that older people shouldn't be able to vote as they won't live with the consequences as long as though who will be living through the entirety of it.[/QUOTE]
80 yo who think socialism means USSR definitely don't deserve to vote anymore
but when you propose to make sure that before every referendum you make a small, free of charge test to ensure that the voter is informed, you're a nazi wanting to take away voting rights
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51343356]Then we need to educate the fuck out of the entire population, and then wait for the old people with their old ideas to die
Then the new people will have outdated ideas since they keep on spawning in the younger generations
And everything comes always too little, too late
people give me shit for being apocaliptic and catastrophic about the future but why should I even bother trying to rationalise Trump and Brexit; we're a dumb species[/QUOTE]
We don't [I]just[/I] need to educate; we need to nurture an atmosphere of mutual respect and calm, logical discourse. If I've learned anything over the past year and a half, it's that bludgeoning people with facts and statistics is not enough, on its own, to change their mind. It doesn't matter how reasonable your argument is if it also leaves them feeling personally ridiculed and frustrated, as that will only inspire them to further entrench themselves in their political ideology and ignore arguments to the contrary.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51343356]Then we need to educate the fuck out of the entire population, and then wait for the old people with their old ideas to die
Then the new people will have outdated ideas since they keep on spawning in the younger generations
And everything comes always too little, too late
people give me shit for being apocaliptic and catastrophic about the future but why should I even bother trying to rationalise Trump and Brexit; we're a dumb species[/QUOTE]
You are then partaking in a counterproductive way of thinking. All this talk of educating the population, waiting for dissenting opinions to die out. This is the problem we in the left are facing - not once have you mentioned [I]debating[/I] the right or [I]listening [/I]to the dissenting opinion. Stop hiding from and shutting down disagreement, instead try talking it out. Bring facts, evidence, rational thinking, all these things were the defining trait of the liberal side six or so years ago. [I]Stop educating and start communicating. You won't convince anyone by talking down to them.
[/I][QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343397]We don't just need to educate; we need to nurture an atmosphere of mutual respect and calm, logical discourse. If I've learned anything over the past year and a half, it's that bludgeoning people with facts and statistics is not enough, on its own, to change their mind. It doesn't matter how reasonable your argument is if it also leaves them feeling personally ridiculed and frustrated, as that will only inspire them to further entrench themselves in their political ideology and ignore arguments to the contrary.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I'm talking about but more eloquently put.
[QUOTE=Judas;51343362]I'm really worried about Trumps victory allowing increasingly terrible politicians taking roles in office[/QUOTE]
This is absolutely going to happen. It was going to happen even if if Trump lost, given how he smashed the Republican primaries.
Trump has taught an entire generation of future Republican politicians that the Trump Method--say stupid shit to gain attention, turn the controversy into momentum, all the while stoking the worst, most base hatreds and fears of the electorate--is the key to success.
[QUOTE=Xubs;51343400]I just don't know how it's possible at this point. The gap has already reach a point where either side is completely uncooperative, if the majority of either side just [I]refuses[/I] to learn, what can you do?
At some point mistrust will just perpetually breed mistrust ad infinitum.[/QUOTE]
On a national level, very little. On a personal level, everything. Personally, I'm making a commitment to more composed, respectful, and rational discourse. I'd ask all of you to help hold me accountable to that. It may not change things on a large scale, but I hope it can at least make things a little more civil here on Facepunch. If it does, perhaps we can take that a bit farther, into our personal lives, and so on and so forth.
The only way it changes now is if a broad enough stroke of people decided that enough is enough and make a personal commitment to breaking the mold.
I would like ya'll to help hold me accountable to that. I'm not promising to agree with everybody about everything, just to discuss those disagreements more respectfully and rationally.
so is the clinton dynasty dead? will hillary ever run for office again? will her daughter ever try?
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;51343425]This is absolutely going to happen. It was going to happen even if if Trump lost, given how he smashed the Republican primaries.
Trump has taught an entire generation of future Republican politicians that the Trump Method--say stupid shit to gain attention, turn the controversy into momentum, all the while stoking the worst, most base hatreds and fears of the electorate--is the key to success.[/QUOTE]
I truly believe that this is the beginning of the end of this country
I think I'll also promise to be less biting, reactionary and joky and try to be more reasonable, friendly and debating. I want to be held accountable to this as well.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343385]More than proving that "uneducated sociopaths" are a majority in our country, I think it proved that our country has simply reached a cultural and political schism so wide and so deep that it has become increasingly difficult to actually [B]admit[/B] when your ideology has become toxic or flawed.
While I'm guilty of losing my patience with Wystan too, I think that if we (as a nation) had fostered an atmosphere where people like Wystan could create informed political opinions without feeling ridiculed or harassed for their initial ignorance, then perhaps we could have a more cooperative and comfortable environment that made it possible for the Wystans of the world to explore this shit more openly.
Again, I know I'm just as complicit in this as anybody else, but I honestly think we all need learn from this nationally humiliating experience, in order to ensure it doesn't happen again.[/QUOTE]
There's too much information floating around, and people don't know how to sift through it to find what's really important.
Everything is accessible, so everyone has the potential to be an expert or pose as one. Few people are trained to recognize what's reliable or methodologically sound, so good information either gets buried or ignored. How many news cycles focused on petty insults instead of matters of economy or environment?
We recognize that not everyone can be an expert in every field in academia. The same applies in social contexts. I might know a comparatively large amount about organic/bioinorganic chemistry, but fuck am I useless when it comes to sports trivia, most vidya, and a bunch of other shit. I might not agree with wystan, but he displayed what seemed like a sincere interest in learning earlier before he bugged out after getting hounded for what was probably hours. I don't know many that would even bother after a modicum of hostility directed towards them.
I think people need more exposure to actual debates and formal logic. Maybe I'm out of touch up in my ivory tower though.
[QUOTE=Swiket;51343436]so is the clinton dynasty dead? will hillary ever run for office again? will her daughter ever try?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, it would be unwise for the DNC to ever field her again. They'd be better fielding a more left candidate like Bernie, if they do not wise up from this, they'll inevitably shoot themselves in the foot.
[QUOTE=Swiket;51343436]so is the clinton dynasty dead? will hillary ever run for office again? will her daughter ever try?[/QUOTE]
Let's hope not. The Clintons are the old guard; we need a fresh approach to the future of politics. Her scandals, regardless of their merit, will haunt her and her family for as long as they remain in politics. Much like Bill's inappropriate conduct became a central theme to her candidacy, any future debates on the Clintons are likely to devolve into similarly hostile rhetoric. The problem with political dynasties is how difficult it is to separate the candidate from the name -- especially when that candidate has his or her own share of issues.
I pray we don't see another Clinton, another Bush, or (god forbid) another Trump.
God [B][U]damn[/U][/B] the United States of America.
Donald Trump is no president of mine, and this country is [B]dead[/B] to me.
[QUOTE=Xubs;51343400]I just don't know how it's possible at this point. The gap has already reach a point where either side is completely uncooperative, if the majority of either side just refuses to learn or listen, what can you do?
At some point mistrust will just perpetually breed mistrust ad infinitum.[/QUOTE]
This is why Trump's victory has a bigger effect on closing this gap than Hillary's victory would. I know a lot of people haven't been paying attention to the moderate right, but they are a large group of people and they have been more willing to debate this past year than a very large majority of the left. This is what moderate/center leftists like me talk about when we're talking about the degeneration of the left. That's why this loss is important, because you'll find that while to have a meaningful debate you need willing participation of both sides, the right already has willing participants waiting for us.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;51343425]This is absolutely going to happen. It was going to happen even if if Trump lost, given how he smashed the Republican primaries.
Trump has taught an entire generation of future Republican politicians that the Trump Method--say stupid shit to gain attention, turn the controversy into momentum, all the while stoking the worst, most base hatreds and fears of the electorate--is the key to success.[/QUOTE]
If you think that Trump won because of taking advantage of a dumb populace, you are missing the central point of why his campaign was truly succesful. Both candidates were good at taking advantage of idiots, there are other factors at play as well and it is important to understanding them for the purpose of reforming the liberal movement into something that's not so completely out of touch that it never even saw a Trump victory coming. Its defeat means that more people are waking up to the fact that it's time to do things in a more human way.
[QUOTE=Judas;51343441]I truly believe that this is the beginning of the end of this country[/QUOTE]
This is because you are unwilling to debate the opposition and have forgotten that they are people too, not monsters.
This clip hasn't been relevant as it is now.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShTVpGuzk1M[/media]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51340195]This part is just disgusting. It's sad that this is the mindset of many Trump/Pence supporters, and even sadder that they'll now think this is acceptable. Glad he's perma'd.[/QUOTE]
who is zilla?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51343360]Well firstly it's not actually socialism lol.
Now, unless you own all the means of production in Finland. It's not Socialism, it's a social democracy/ social republic/ social whatever. Where certain aspects of some markets are socialised partially for the betterment of society as a whole.
Regulations and restrictions like that have little to nothing to do with the economic system in use however, despite us have socialised services all over the UK, we still have manageable taxes and shit on most luxury goods. Sure it may be cheaper to get stuff under the table, but that shit has a habit of being actually dangerous.
As for cost;
[url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP?year=2014&year_high_desc=true[/url]
Notice how the USA is in the top five, with almost linear increases on expenses year on year? Notice how most other countries in the world that don't follow the US system are platauing a bit or experience a much less steep increase in costs year on year?
Private only systems are hideously shifty. With no government intervention they will prey on patients as you have literally no other option but to pay for insurance unless you intend to never go to the hospital after a accident. Public/private hybrids where you can opt in to private care tend to work well, as it forces the private providers to actually provide higher quality care, rather than just fucking you over for quick cash.[/QUOTE]
In a free market prices should self adjust. The only place where that can't necessarily happen and government intervention may be required, is in private monopoly infrastructures.
Where competition would face astronomical upfront costs to compete, making it practically impossible. Prime example being basically monopoly isps in the states.
That's the step i would take down from full on capitalism, where state owns the core infrastructures and tax companies that utilize them, using that money to upkeep expand and
upgrade them, preventing those cases.
And also i would have free basic education, that tends to give more money back in the long run.
Finland's biggest problem isn't necessarily all the dumb regulations we have. But the parliament filled absolute morons currently making the decisions.
Such as to to privatize a previously government owned company responsible for the electrical distribution of the city Espoo.
And then proceed to sell this company to a private investor, saying how this will not increase distribution prices at all and lo and behold they did.
Oh and pretty much this same exact thing happened to your TV broadcasting infrastructure covering the whole country. Both companies obviously pay next to no taxes
while sucking everything they can from the government.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51343456]There's too much information floating around, and people don't know how to sift through it to find what's really important.
Everything is accessible, so everyone has the potential to be an expert or pose as one. Few people are trained to recognize what's reliable or methodologically sound, so good information either gets buried or ignored. How many news cycles focused on petty insults instead of matters of economy or environment?
We recognize that not everyone can be an expert in every field in academia. The same applies in social contexts. I might know a comparatively large amount about organic/bioinorganic chemistry, but fuck am I useless when it comes to sports trivia, most vidya, and a bunch of other shit. [B]I might not agree with wystan, but he displayed what seemed like a sincere interest in learning earlier before he bugged out after getting hounded for what was probably hours. I don't know many that would even bother after a modicum of hostility directed towards them.[/B]
I think people need more exposure to actual debates and formal logic. Maybe I'm out of touch up in my ivory tower though.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and that is a difficult trend to break. Wystan's willful ignorance is frustrating, and my initial response to that is to act on the frustration by berating him for his foolishness. It's difficult not to, because we've all had a lot of practice with that over the past couple of years. It's damn near reflexive, now. However, we all have to keep reminding each other that this atmosphere is what helps cultivate and temper the Wystans of the world. Every time we act so arrogantly, dismissively, we add a layer of offense and indignation to their perspective, and make it that much harder to change their mind.
By the same token, it only pushes [I]us[/I] farther into our own corners, making us ever more likely to respond the same way in future arguments.
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[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51338044]"THE ONE I DON'T LIKE WON, DEMOCRACY IS BROKEN" - FP[/QUOTE]
Couldn't have put it better myself.
For everyone saying that "oh America is DOOMED (not like it already wasn't anyways XD)", you're as wrong as you were when you said that Trump was DONE and OVER when that video came out. #MAGA
EDIT: I'm also glad that all you liberals who were criticizing Trump for not accepting a win from Hillary are now saying that America is dead to them. Glad you're open minded :)
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