• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] Again, another nonsense post acting like LGBT peoples, minorities, aren't going to see any changes, effects, or anything. Baseless and nonsensical. Trump and Pence swore to impinge on LGBT freedoms. Stop and Frisk. Muslim ban. Those are 3 things enough to stop you from being correct in your "have you never lost before?" nonsense excuse
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343639]Not today, obviously. Hell, probably not for a long, long time. Well beyond Trump's short and ugly presidency, we'll still be wrestling with this.[/QUOTE] I think we've [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleon"]always[/URL] wrestled with this honestly.
[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;51343529]all we need is california seceding from the states, then every american can move there and the trump presidency can go fuck itself[/QUOTE] And then the Republicans will win every subsequent American election.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] does the other team also get to remove your basic human rights because then it's not a competition
This election helped me realize how delusional many people are. Its astonishing. What type of hoops did you have to jump through in your mind to convince yourself that Trump would actually make a good president. Because I am legitimately curious.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] Do you realize that this is not a game, and that the election really affects the way people will be able to live their lives?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] I have people terrified of how they will pay for health care once the GOP repeals Obamacare. They couldn't get it before the ACA. This election is going to kill people. It's sad as fuck. A lot of the girls I know don't even feel safe anymore.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51343660]Again, another nonsense post acting like LGBT peoples, minorities, aren't going to see any changes, effects, or anything. Baseless and nonsensical. Trump and Pence swore to impinge on LGBT freedoms. Stop and Frisk. Muslim ban. Those are 3 things enough to stop you from being correct in your "have you never lost before?" nonsense excuse[/QUOTE] Are you saying that if you voted Trump you are automatically a bigot?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343630]There will always be an ugly undercurrent to any sufficiently large group of people, yes, but we need to recognize that political entrenchment only [I]feeds[/I] that. Investing into a narrative of "us vs them" makes it just as easy and reflexive for them to stand by their dark, illogical perspectives. It's also important to recognize that they are, despite the ease of generalization, a minority. You can't cut straight through that bullshit while painting that minority perspective as the general trend, however, nor can you easily fight every point simultaneously. Take the discussion surround Black Lives Matter, as one particular subject set; look at how divisive its gotten! There are very legitimate concerns to be addressed there -- serious societal issues that BLM is rallied around. They [I]do[/I] need to be addressed, but they've become lost in the noise and distraction of "us vs them." It's become a matter choosing "racist" or "anti-cop," and little middle ground exists between in the eyes of either side. As we work so hard to determine who is [I]worse[/I], we forget that common ground, and legitimate issues, exist at all. The more entrenched and hostile the perspectives become, the harder it becomes to see the merits of any of it.[/QUOTE] Black Lives Matter is a good example of a movement degenerating to the point that its original purpose has ceased to be relevant, and also of the banality of identity politics. There is no reason to support it, but people are so obsessed with identity politics that they don't even consider the fact that they can fix the rational issues BLM singled out [I]without[/I] actually supporting BLM. Picking sides is such a central aspect of american political discussion that people forget that they can do things without associating themselves with some movement.
It doesn't automatically make you a bigot but it does mean you are supporting a man with bigoted views and policies.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51343654]I think describing politics as between two teams shows a lack of maturity too, as it simplifies things into an "us vs. them" argument which is what we're trying to avoid. This is not a game. A lot of people have reasons to be upset. Telling them to grow up is not responsible.[/QUOTE] Yeah, completely agreed. It's the "sport" mentality, where policy and perspective take a backseat to simply rooting for the right mascot.
A climate change denier is now Head of Energy during a critical time but hey, I should just accept it and grow up lol
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343672]Are you saying that if you voted Trump you are automatically a bigot?[/QUOTE] No but you're doing that thing that you love to do Put words in my mouth. What I did say, and what I would appreciate you taking away from this discussion is that Trump himself, and Pence himself have sworn to do those things, and regardless of your personal feelings, [B]YOU VOTED FOR THOSE THINGS[/B] You don't get to tell those people they don't get to be scared when you voted to impinge their rights dude.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51343668]Do you realize that this is not a game, and that the election really affects the way people will be able to live their lives?[/QUOTE] Sure it will. But enough Americans decided that this is a good thing for the country. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51343687]No but you're doing that thing that you love to do Put words in my mouth. What I did say, and what I would appreciate you taking away from this discussion is that Trump himself, and Pence himself have sworn to do those things, and regardless of your personal feelings, [B]YOU VOTED FOR THOSE THINGS[/B] You don't get to tell those people they don't get to be scared when you voted to impinge their rights dude.[/QUOTE] I just asked if you thought that.
Just because a majority decided something was a good idea does not mean it was a good idea or that it is right. I feel you're acting very high and mighty and not mature.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343690]Sure it will. But enough Americans decided that this is a good thing for the country. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] I just asked if you thought that.[/QUOTE] No you didn't. YOu put words in my mouth. Regardless of whether you hold bigotted feelings, [B]YOU VOTED FOR BIGGOTED ACTIONS.[/B] You will never get to tell people to not be scared. I am not calling you a bigot. I did not call you a bigot. I have not called you a bigot. I have said, and read carefully, that you voted for the actions of a bigot. Make of that what you will. You're only judging yourself.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343690]Sure it will. But enough Americans decided that this is a good thing for the country.[/QUOTE] I'm not seeing how this translates to "it's immature to complain" when people may be deciding, for instance, what you can or can't do with your own body.
At least this will hopefully encourage the Democrats to stop being so disconnected from voters.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343690]Sure it will. But enough Americans decided that this is a good thing for the country.[/QUOTE] majorities have never been wrong, ever
I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage anyone in america who is truly upset over this to not just be upset on the internet but also not to riot. Protest peacefully over the next 4 years, get involved in your local branch, do everything you can individually to halt the actions of a trump presidency and just don't believe that your vote doesn't matter I mean its pretty clear that right now we live in a fucked up world, but if we just sit here and make angry posts about it, nothing will change.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51343702]No you didn't. YOu put words in my mouth. Regardless of whether you hold bigotted feelings, [B]YOU VOTED FOR BIGGOTED ACTIONS.[/B] You will never get to tell people to not be scared. I am not calling you a bigot. I did not call you a bigot. I have not called you a bigot. I have said, and read carefully, that you voted for the actions of a bigot. Make of that what you will. You're only judging yourself.[/QUOTE] If you actively do something to further a bigoted action, are you yourself not a bigot? This is the problem here, logically speaking it makes sense for many liberals think that Trump voters really are nazis/deplorables/bigots.
Something I think is super sad is just the realisation to women (or even men if you wanted to expand it across both sexes) is that despite double digit accusations of abuse towards women, this man still made it to presidency, which supports the horrible mentality that your abuser will always have power over you - which of course isn't really true, especially on a morality level, though in trump's case it is (he has just earned status as one of - if not the- most powerful person in the world), and I really do feel for those women who were objectified by him. I hope they know that despite the fact he got what he wanted and became president of the USA, they are way better people than he could ever be and that's all that matters, and it wasn't your fault.
[QUOTE=wewt!;51343673]Black Lives Matter is a good example of a movement degenerating to the point that its original purpose has ceased to be relevant, and also of the banality of identity politics. There is no reason to support it, but people are so obsessed with identity politics that they don't even consider the fact that they can fix the rational issues BLM singled out [I]without[/I] actually supporting BLM. Picking sides is such a central aspect of american political discussion that people forget that they can do things without associating themselves with some movement.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree, but (as you pointed out) the reason for the degeneration of substance is exactly what I'm referencing. The political entrenchment has fed into rift of perception rather than reality. "BLM hates cops! People who don't support BLM are racists!" It has become increasingly difficult for either side to admit that the apparent opposition ever [I]had[/I] any merit. Tather than being willing to see that this anger is actually fueled by legitimate problems, it becomes a matter of finding examples of the bad eggs that confirm your suspicions, and as this rift gets wider and wider, this gets easier and easier to do.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343718]If you actively do something to further a bigoted action, are you yourself not a bigot? This is the problem here, logically speaking it makes sense for many liberals think that Trump voters really are nazis/deplorables/bigots.[/QUOTE] Okay, so how do you [B]feel[/B] about the actions you just voted for and how it affects those people? Do you honestly believe that the people who are scared will face 0 effects in 4 years?
When you vote, you vote for the whole person and the whole platform. Not just parts of it. If you voted against hillary, then you don't get to absolve yourself of the responsibility of voting for a person who wants to eject muslims, encourage gay conversion therapy, and halt the progress of climate action. If you voted for Donald Trump you voted for these policies, regardless of why. As a voter you're responsible for your vote in it's entirety.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51343716]majorities have never been wrong, ever[/QUOTE] Of course, as it stands, this point is irrelevant. Hillary Clinton got more of the popular vote.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51343674]It doesn't automatically make you a bigot but it does mean you are supporting a man with bigoted views and policies.[/QUOTE] So maybe we should vote for the horribly corrupt candidate who rigged their way into the general election? But that would mean we support corruption in politics, by your logic. Theres far more to a candidate than their personal bigotries. I would take a bigot over a highly corrupt family-dynasty politician any day. they are everything thats wrong with politics in this country right now.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] the fact that you see this like winning a competition like a game or sport suggests that it's probably you who needs to grow the fuck up
[QUOTE=killerteacup;51343734]When you vote, you vote for the whole person and the whole platform. Not just parts of it. If you voted against hillary, then you don't get to absolve yourself of the responsibility of voting for a person who wants to eject muslims, encourage gay conversion therapy, and halt the progress of climate action. If you voted for Donald Trump you voted for these policies, regardless of why. As a voter you're responsible for your vote in it's entirety.[/QUOTE] The shitty part about this is that few people end up agreeing completely with any given politician or party platform. I campaigned for Sanders despite disagreements on GMOs, nuclear energy, and a handful of other issues. People have to decide which issues are most important to them, and if you want other people to value your position you're going to have to work to get them to see things your way.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343646]I don't go for the "liberal tears" (or "Remainer tears" for Brexit) thing but you guys who are whining and complaining and saying how the country is ruined are annoying and it makes you look so petty. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Grow up, the other team won. Have you never lost a competition before?[/QUOTE] Competition/lost/teams etc is irrelevant, what's more important is how the left and right will communicate from now on to make sure that the right policies are put through. I'm sure even you don't want to limit peoples rights, so surely you agree that splitting the two sides down to two teams is counterproductive when we should be working towards the same goal? Hell, even Trump admitted to this in his victory speech. [QUOTE=The golden;51343655]Thank you for oversimplifying it so much that the impending poverty, death, and suffering looks trivial and meaningless.[/QUOTE] He's oversimplifying it and you're overreacting. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51343660]Again, another nonsense post acting like LGBT peoples, minorities, aren't going to see any changes, effects, or anything.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51343666]does the other team also get to remove your basic human rights[/QUOTE] The american liberal population is not excluded from the government's decision making just because a nonliberal candidate came into power.
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