• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=Da Big Man;51341590]Imagine loving inanimate objects more than human beings[/QUOTE] wait how did we start talking about dakimakuras [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] OH you mean guns, oh yeah they're kinda similar like that
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343926]Then I would argue that you need to be willing to accept that you've prioritized trade over human rights, and that this decision is going to come with a certain level of justified criticism.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. Keep in mind this is all an example based on what Human Abyss said. I don't actually think Trump will change the law at all when it comes to the LGBT community, which is a good thing for them.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51343898]The main problem as I see it is that you have two 'sides' of people who are supposed to keep each other in check by criticizing each other, i.e. the democrats keep the republicans in check and the republicans keep the democrats in check. When this works you have a healthy discourse because any perspective idea within a political space needs to be designed so as to survive the trial-by-fire of scathing criticism. The problem is that, from the point of view of left-wing people, the republicans and conservatives across the world have become bat shit insane. I don't know whether it's because the right have moved further right or the left have moved further left, or both. Either way, it means that the trial-by-fire process no longer exists and any idea that sounds good enough gets through the checking process because it doesn't need to be falsified and hardened against criticism.[/QUOTE] This is why we need to to support moderate and rational thought and destroy this limiting concept. As far as I have observed (and for some reason I have given US politics way more attention than it deserves), the moderate right has gotten [I]better[/I] at this than the left. How crazy is that? The right used to be this crazy side that thought that GTA:SA is going to teach kids to kill, [I]and now the left thinks GTA5 is going to teach men to rape. [/I]Anyways, I'm meandering, my point is that I agree with you that the system has gone tits up. [QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343891]What do you say to me if I care so much about Trump's policies on trade, that I'm willing to accept a reduction in LGBT rights to see him win? What if I understand that my vote will reduce LGBT rights, but I am willing to see that happen because of some other thing that I want to get done?[/QUOTE] This is a bit tangental to your question, but I honestly think that if the left gets its act together there's no way Trump is going to do so much damage to LGBT rights, and that Hillary's representing everything wrong with the US political system, means you've made a smart bet. Sadly, this is something that I think, not know.
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People are arguing over Trump's actions when its his administrations actions that I am the most concerned about. Especially Pence in regards to LGBT rights. If I recall correctly he admitted to not knowing enough about politics to run it so he's just going to let the people below him do the work.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343956]Fair enough. Keep in mind this is all an example based on what Human Abyss said. I don't actually think Trump will change the law at all when it comes to the LGBT community, which is a good thing for them.[/QUOTE] Why do you think that a republican president and a republican congress and a republican senate and a republican supreme court judge following a set of laid out republican policies that clearly state that they are against gay marriage and want to overturn it as soon as possible will not, in fact, do that? I don't like to demonize people, but I also think it's a bit idealistic that the same conservative party that has been against LGBT rights for pretty much the last several decades is now suddenly going to be for it.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51343983]Why do you think that a republican president and a republican congress and a republican senate and a republican supreme court judge following a set of laid out republican policies that clearly state that they are against gay marriage and want to overturn it as soon as possible will not, in fact, do that? I don't like to demonize people, but I also think it's a bit idealistic that the same conservative party that has been against LGBT rights for pretty much the last several decades is now suddenly going to be for it.[/QUOTE] Because overturning supreme court rulings is ridiculously difficult?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343891]What do you say to me if I care so much about Trump's policies on trade, that I'm willing to accept a reduction in LGBT rights to see him win? What if I understand that my vote will reduce LGBT rights, but I am willing to see that happen because of some other thing that I want to get done?[/QUOTE] I would quote this post and take it to another thread where people are claiming that you can't say "Trump supporters don't care about LGBT rights as long as he sees their anti-globalist platform through". Thanks.
[QUOTE=Pelf;51343975]But what if I got shafted by those trade agreements and I'm now at risk of losing my home because of them? (I'm not just for example) Is that criticism justified then? The real world isn't black and white like you people are making it out to be.[/QUOTE] Yes, of course criticism of bad trade policy is justified. It's another one of the many reasons I voted against Trump -- his economic plan is disastrous by the standards of nearly every economist in the country. I am a financial professional myself. I'm an investor and a real estate expert, and I also fear that his plan will do considerably more harm than good. Also, please, don't accuse me of making the world "black and white" while simultaneously referring to me as "you people."
We're not saying its black and white. We're saying that you will get criticised for your actions if you prioritise one thing over another, with you caring little about the lattar and others carming much about that issue.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343909]This is a useless appeal to emotion. You're basically saying that any vote for Trump is unacceptable. That is fine, but realize that I don't see things that way. Read my other post about weighing policies on a curve.[/QUOTE] I'm basically just asking you to straight up state how much you care about those policies instead of half-way apologizing to people like they didn't end up on the "I don't care"-end of the scale. That may be a "useless appeal to emotion" (is that your favorite catchphrase?), but I basically asked you to do what you did a few posts later - to point out where you weigh those policies on a scale/curve/whatever.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;51343998]Because overturning supreme court rulings is ridiculously difficult?[/QUOTE] There's going to be at least one new supreme court judge appointed, maybe more if the current ones pass away.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51343983]Why do you think that a republican president and a republican congress and a republican senate and a republican supreme court judge following a set of laid out republican policies that clearly state that they are against gay marriage and want to overturn it as soon as possible will not, in fact, do that?[/QUOTE] Because that law does not exist in a vaccuum, and attempting to repeal it would cause such a damaging reaction to the Republicans that the risks outweigh the "rewards". Unless Pence is dumb enough to not care, in which case I expect the left to do its job and step into the political ring and fight his regressive policy in a proper manner.
I saw a quote on reddit that actually sums up how the DNC fucked up so bad. [quote]They chose an elitist in a year that was overwhelming dominated by populism all over the world.[/quote] Sure Trump is also an elite, but he captured the white voters attention and drove them to the polls in numbers that no one predicted (for some reason). I hope for a change to come, but it will be a long 4 years
[QUOTE=Zyler;51344006]There's going to be at least one new supreme court judge appointed, maybe more if the current ones pass away.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but the justices still can't just get together (to my knowledge) and say "nevermind guys, we're changing our mind". It would take a case against gay marriage to make its way all the way up and up through the courts, each one of them deciding that the precedent set no longer appliea for some reason, years of very questionable effort.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;51343998]Because overturning supreme court rulings is ridiculously difficult?[/QUOTE] But it's made easier considering they're all under the same banner now
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343956]Fair enough. Keep in mind this is all an example based on what Human Abyss said. I don't actually think Trump will change the law at all when it comes to the LGBT community, which is a good thing for them.[/QUOTE] Almost everything regarding trans rights are reliant on executive action taken by the Obama administration. All Trump has to do is not renew those orders for them to become null, which is exactly what he'll do as soon as he's elected; the Republicans regard those orders as unconstitutional. This will kick the issue back to the states to decide, allowing discrimination under state law to continue unchecked. Thanks to Republican control of congress and soon, the Supreme Court, it will become increasingly unlikely that I or anyone else would be able to challenge those state laws at the federal level, leaving us with no recourse. My only choice is to relocate to a state which is willing to protect me. This doesn't even take into account the possibility that anti-trans legislation will be crafted by congress itself, which has the potential of denying me such safe havens.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343891]What do you say to me if I care so much about Trump's policies on trade, that I'm willing to accept a reduction in LGBT rights to see him win? What if I understand that my vote will reduce LGBT rights, but I am willing to see that happen because of some other thing that I want to get done?[/QUOTE] With trade in particular I'd have to ask where the hell were you back in August, because that angle was [I]throughly[/I] deconstructed around here.
[QUOTE=Potus;51344019]I saw a quote on reddit that actually sums up how the DNC fucked up so bad. "They chose an elitist in a year that was overwhelming dominated by populism all over the world." Sure Trump is also an elite, but he captured the [B]white voters[/B] attention and drove them to the polls in numbers that no one predicted (for some reason). I hope for a change to come, but it will be a long 4 years[/QUOTE] lol. He captured the attention of quite a diverse demographic. It's called the working class, and this focus on the race of his voterbase is just more proof that the left has become misguided.
[QUOTE=wewt!;51344010]Because that law does not exist in a vaccuum, and attempting to repeal it would cause such a damaging reaction to the Republicans that the risks outweigh the "rewards". Unless Pence is dumb enough to not care, in which case I expect the left to do its job and step into the political ring and fight his regressive policy in a proper manner.[/QUOTE] If the majority of the voting public agree with repealing the law, which the party probably believes and they may well do depending on which reasons people decided to vote for Trump , then they won't have any problems doing it. [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wewt!;51344043]lol. He captured the attention of quite a diverse demographic. It's called the working class, and this focus on the race of his voterbase is just more proof that the left has become misguided.[/QUOTE] As a demographic, working class white men made up the core voterbase of Trump's campaign. That isn't to say that everyone who voted for him was a working class white man or that everyone who voted for him thinks the same; demographics are just a part of statistical analysis, it's a generalization based on data we were able to collect through a qualitative process. It's like when someone refers to the "Female vote" or the "Black vote", they don't mean that women and black people are each a part of some gigantic hivemind, it's an abstraction for data analysis purposes.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51344001]Yes, of course criticism of bad trade policy is justified. It's another one of the many reasons I voted against Trump -- his economic plan is disastrous by the standards of nearly every economist in the country. I am a financial professional myself. I'm an investor and a real estate expert, and I also fear that his plan will do considerably more harm than good. Also, please, don't accuse me of making the world "black and white" while simultaneously referring to me as "you people."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51344002]We're not saying its black and white. We're saying that you will get criticised for your actions if you prioritise one thing over another, with you caring little about the lattar and others carming much about that issue.[/QUOTE] Yep, I didn't think through was I was saying much, you're both right.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;51343998]Because overturning supreme court rulings is ridiculously difficult?[/QUOTE] difficult doesn't sound like impossible to me
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since i'm in california my vote for president literally did not matter.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51344047]If the majority of the voting public agree with repealing the law, which the party probably believes and they may well do depending on which reasons people decided to vote for Trump , then they won't have any problems doing it.[/QUOTE] There are so many angles from which you can sway the voting public. A new and entertaining one is that you now literally have evidence that gay marriage has not directly ruined any straight person's life and that the planet continued to spin. Another one is scientific research proving that it's not a disease, but rather just a way some people are. Protest and anti intelectual propaganda is not the only way to change people's minds. Mind you, I'm not saying it's going to be easy. [QUOTE=Zyler;51344047]As a demographic, working class white men made up the core voterbase of Trump's campaign. That isn't to say that everyone who voted for him was a working class white man or that everyone who voted for him thinks the same; demographics are just a part of statistical analysis, it's a generalization based on data we were able to collect through a qualitative process. It's like when someone refers to the "Female vote" or the "Black vote", they don't mean that women and black people are each a part of some gigantic hivemind, it's an abstraction for data analysis purposes.[/QUOTE] If that is what he meant, then I have misunderstood him because the more straightforward assumption would be that he is talking about race.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51344065][img]http://i.imgur.com/xKL39PA.jpg[/img] Guess she kept her word.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.snopes.com/janet-reno-donald-trump-never/[/url]
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