Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=wewt!;51344069]
If that is what he meant, then I have misunderstood him because the more straightforward assumption would be that he is talking about race.[/QUOTE]
Hey may well have meant it in that context, but that isn't the only context it gets used in.
[QUOTE=mr appie;51344096]His plan on banning Muslims from America just got removed from his website
[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-president-election-muslim-ban-immigrants-website-statement-removed-a7408466.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
If he reverses himself on any more of his ridiculous policies I might start to think he'll get along with the Democrats.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51344109]Hey may well have meant it in that context, but that isn't the only context it gets used in.[/QUOTE]
Either way I don't mind the clarification, thank you.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51343887]Same. Most of my friends are women, a big swathe of them are gay, one is a devout Muslim, etc.[/QUOTE]
This actually explains a lot lmao
Here are your diversity points, good job!
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[QUOTE=rexxar;51344155]This actually explains a lot lmao
Here are your diversity points, good job!
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I hope you hang that post up on your wall and look at it again in four years
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343718]If you actively do something to further a bigoted action, are you yourself not a bigot?
This is the problem here, logically speaking it makes sense for many liberals think that Trump voters really are nazis/deplorables/bigots.[/QUOTE]
One day, my cabinetmaking teacher, who was otherwise very down-to-earth, level-headed, and a stereotypically nice southerner, decided to ask me about Brazilian politics. When he wanted to compare it to American politics, he told me, verbatim, that Obama was a socialist who wanted to take our guns away
Point is, you don't have to be crazy to have crazy opinions. My teacher wasn't crazy, and I didn't treat him like he was, or looked down on him for it, but the reality of the situation is that he was woefully uninformed. The average citizen in America doesn't have the time, patience or interest (and maybe even encouragement) to be fully informed about politics, and that's why we elect people who do.
I definitely think someone's beliefs are their own responsibility, I just don't think it's [I]entirely[/I] someone's fault if they didn't have the same opportunities to learn to look at things with a critical eye. People aren't responsible for the way they're raised, the opinions they're exposed to, and the way they're taught to look at the world.
I've rambled a bit, so let me try to keep this short: There are varying degrees of xenophobia, racism, and bigotry in general. There are varying degrees of harm that come from that bigotry, and varying degrees of blame for people who hold those opinions, or support someone who holds them. Even as one of the most liberal users on this forum, I feel like I avoid the stereotype of calling just about anyone a racist, and that mindset is the reason why. It's a bit embarrassing that this conclusion echoes a quote from the Star Wars prequels out of all things, but the point is, people probably shouldn't deal in absolutes
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51344190]Do we not all have the same opportunity for change?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but not everyone's taught to accept change. Many people, left wingers, right wingers and I-don't-really-care-wingers, are even encouraged to reject it
I can't fathom how people would actually think electing someone who thinks that global warming is a [I]myth[/I] is a good idea. This country is actually fucked. Trump played America like a fucking fiddle, and America danced right along with it.
When Trump starts raw-dogging the US economy, I want people who blindly went "he's going to make America great again, you'll see!" to eat their fucking words like they deserve.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343891]What do you say to me if I care so much about Trump's policies on trade, that I'm willing to accept a reduction in LGBT rights to see him win? What if I understand that my vote will reduce LGBT rights, but I am willing to see that happen because of some other thing that I want to get done?[/QUOTE]
I'd say you have no right to tell people their concerns and fears are baseless lest you appear as an empathyless person
[QUOTE=Brobattington;51344207]I can't fathom how people would actually think electing someone who thinks that global warming is a [I]myth[/I] is a good idea. This country is actually fucked. Trump played America like a fucking fiddle, and America danced right along with it.
When Trump starts raw-dogging the US economy, I want people who blindly went "he's going to make America great again, you'll see!" to eat their fucking words like they deserve.[/QUOTE]
I think he's going to dissapoint a lot of people who voted for him, but him winning shouldn't be waved of as a simple victory of bigots, but an important indicator that something is wrong with your system that you were given such terrible presidential candidates.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344213]heh, according to you guys , it's basically okay to mock anyone that tries to appear as something they were not born as. Poor, poor transsexuals.[/QUOTE]
Argument from absurdum. You cannot compare fake tan to trans people.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344213]heh, according to you guys , it's basically okay to mock anyone that tries to appear as something they were not born as. Poor, poor transsexuals.[/QUOTE]
Even if that's what they were actually saying you're still totally missing their point. Most of those people were saying it was a stupid thing to do regardless but were pointing out that there's clear racial connotations when calling Obama a monkey but not when you call Bush or Trump a monkey.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344213]heh, according to you guys , it's basically okay to mock anyone that tries to appear as something they were not born as. Poor, poor transsexuals.[/QUOTE]
First, that was extremely homophobic to say. Second, having awful looking fake tan is not a race nor is it a gender or sexual orientation.
trump's election strongly reminds me of farenhiet 451:
[QUOTE]"Sounds fine," said Mrs. Bowles. "I voted last election, same as everyone, and I laid it on the line for President Noble. I think he's one of the nicest-looking men who ever became president."
"Oh, but the man they ran against him!"
"He wasn't much, was he? Kind of small and homely and he didn't shave too close or comb his hair very well."
"What possessed the ‘Outs’ to run him? You just don't go running a little short man like that against a tall man. Besides, he mumbled. Half the time I couldn't hear a word he said. And the words I did hear I didn't understand!"
"Fat, too, and didn't dress to hide it. No wonder the landslide was for Winston Noble. Even their names helped. Compare Winston Noble to Hubert Hoag for ten seconds and you can almost figure the results." (2.284-8)[/QUOTE]
basically ignore the entirety of their fucking political stance and just go by jingoism and how cool/funny the candidate is.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51343956]Fair enough.
Keep in mind this is all an example based on what Human Abyss said. I don't actually think Trump will change the law at all when it comes to the LGBT community, which is a good thing for them.[/QUOTE]
Both trump and pence have already repeated ad infinitum that they are going to repeal gay marriage. Pence outright said he will help stack the supreme court to do that. Trump supports a bill that allows discrimination of LGBT individuals based on religious beliefs. Pence Is pro forced gay conversion therapy. Trump said he would let his VP have a lot of power. The government is triple red and the republican platform is openly anti-lgbt.
You saying that nothing will happen is just willful ignorance.
[QUOTE=simkas;51344255]First, that was extremely homophobic to say. Second, having awful looking fake tan is not a race nor is it a gender or sexual orientation.[/QUOTE]
*transphobic, don't mean anything by this besides a gentle correction but language is important when talking about trans issues cause it's easy for stuff to be misconstrued.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51344239]Argument from absurdum. You cannot compare fake tan to trans people.[/QUOTE]
Argumentum ad absurdum is a logically valid argument. However you have to present the opposition in its strongest form FIRST and then take it to the highest extreme while still remaining consistent.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344301]I have seen lots of trans people that use lots of makeup really badly, and look godawful. According to the logic of the people I quoted, it's okay to mock people on the grounds of how they look. Nothing homophobic about it.[/QUOTE]
Don't use some dumb insults people online used about a political candidate to justify saying shit about trans people. The two things are completely unrelated.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51344376]Huh, isn't that an offensive remark nowadays?[/QUOTE]
Same as nigger
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51344376]Huh, isn't that an offensive remark nowadays?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Not nowadays, though. It always has been.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344360]I'm not using their insults for anything. I'm just pointing out that if you choose to follow their flawed logic, trannies and such should expect the same kind of mockery. Seeming as they choose to look as something they were not biological born as.[/QUOTE]
the two are not relatable
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344360]I'm not using their insults for anything. I'm just pointing out that if you choose to follow their flawed logic, trannies and such should expect the same kind of mockery. Seeming as they choose to look as something they were not biological born as.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like you are just using this as a springboard to spout hate sppech about trans people.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344360]I'm not using their insults for anything. I'm just pointing out that if you choose to follow their flawed logic, trannies and such should expect the same kind of mockery. Seeming as they choose to look as something they were not biological born as.[/QUOTE]
You're missing out on what transgender people actually are and what causes them to transition, which is where your comparison doesn't really work. I'm in class so I can't really type much right now but either someone else will probably post or you can google to find some pretty easy sources that cover the science. The tl;dr is that it's an understood medical condition and the only real viable treatment is transitioning, that's why they do it, not doing so is very serious threat to their mental health. Quite different from just tanning yourself.
Guys just stop replying to coyote93
All he's interested in is getting in some anti-trans zingers, he's not here for meaningful discussion that may change his opinion.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344360]I'm not using their insults for anything. I'm just pointing out that if you choose to follow their flawed logic, trannies and such should expect the same kind of mockery. Seeming as they choose to look as something they were not biological born as.[/QUOTE]
Making fun of us trans people is like making fun of people born with physical disabilities. It is not remotely comparable to calling trump a godamned oompa loompa
The biology things is wrong too but W/e
This whole day felt like some game's bad ending.
I don't understand, I went non-lethal.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344468]It is? I thought it was just short for transsexuals?
If you say so.
I was thinking about the fact that many of them look horrible when they don't know how to apply makeup, and that is not really different from Trump looking bad when tanning himself. And therefore, by the logic mentioned earlier, they can be mocked for it. The whole reason for why I used transsexuals as an example in my original post, was because of the way many of them use makeup, make them look bad. I could just have used girls with bad makeup as an example, but that does not happen nearly as often, from what I have seen, so I choose to pick transsexuals in my example instead.
Where did I make fun of trans people? I pointed out that I have seen lots of trans with bad makeup, but that is not the same thing as making fun of them. All I meant was that by that kind of logic, trans people would be vulnerable.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
Wow, that's really insightful. Good to know.[/QUOTE]
Tranny means transexual in the same way that faggot means gay person. It's an incredibly offensive remark.
I think you just need to think about what it would be like to be them. For example you're saying they look horrible when they don't know how to apply makeup, and for you that might be funny, but for them, they're being mocked for the way they look while having a diagnosable condition that dramatically effects the way they look.
You should use girls with bad makeup as an example instead, if you really needed to make one. I don't think you're being malicious, but the words you're saying would be particularly offensive to a trans person if you were to say it to their face. You'd hurt them pretty bad, so have a think about whether that's what you would really want to do in that situation.
I hate this whole "whoa man calm down! we won you lost! stop crying! it's not like the [b] CYBORG DEATH SQUADS[/b] are being dispatched as we speak! haha" shit people keep posting.
Can I just ask how you expected the people your candidate is going to victimise to react?.
The republican party has made it quite clear that they have incredibly hostile intentions towards the LGBT community, towards minorities, towards members of particular faiths, towards women - How are these people supposed to feel now that these people, people who have expressed a loud and clear desire to make their lives as miserable as possible, have just been handed the power to do so?.
[i]"Oh? there's a huge chance the new government is going to invalidate my marriage and allow the state to discriminate against me?, oh? I could be evicted from my house and fired from my job unless I pretend to be someone i'm not?....
Oh well that's life!!"[/i]
Funny enough, you don't have to roll out some cartoonish doomsday scenario in order to ruin the lives of a marginalised group- you can just withdraw the protections preventing other hateful people from doing so.
A popular twitch streamer that frequently hosted debates against trump supporters just had his window smashed
[media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/796506141673013249[/media]
Thats not what i was saying either, i was saying nocking him over his horrible tan wasnt comparable to actual racism
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51344605]When did this happen? I was pretty sure tranny was the accepted term for quite a while now.[/QUOTE]
No. It's always been an incredibly offensive word, dude.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51344559]Thanks for clarifying that, now I know.
I never said I found it funny.
I wrote in my last post why I didn't use them as an example.
But fine, I get it, using trans people in this example was wrong. I just wanted to point out how idiotic I found the logic that you could mock people as long as you didn't mock them because of their race.[/QUOTE]
sorry, I know I was referring to the situation as 'you' in that which was confusing. I was talking hypothetically as well and didn't intend to accuse for the bits you highlighted. I'm encouraged that you're open minded.
[editline]10th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51344605]When did this happen? I was pretty sure tranny was the accepted term for quite a while now.[/QUOTE]
It's been offensive for a long time, as has the word faggot. But, like the f-word, awareness generally tends to come after the fact. A long time, usually.
My advice about offensive terms is that if they are a common word to represent a minority, they are offensive. It becomes a way of generalising them by that one trait, and then attaching a whole host of connotations to it.
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