• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=Sift;51345702]I don't think it's valid to post hate crimes at the moment. I'm probably wording this horribly and my apologies but with both sides doing some insane extremist bullshit to each other it seems hardly fair to just post the negatives of one end and act like their specific side of the vote is "clean". A lot of people are dissenting those who just want people to work together now that it's over as being spineless cowards and I find that just as toxic. Really, what's wrong with hoping that as a nation we can still get along until this trainwreck is handled?[/QUOTE] Because this isn't a natural disaster. Half of the population did this. It's a horrible thing, but I can understand why people are fucking pissed off and distrustful.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51345631]The vast majority of Trump supporters I've interacted with including this forum aren't bigoted[/QUOTE] Most of the ones I've spoken with in person also weren't bigoted, but ignorant, which in many ways is worse.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51345705]Because this isn't a natural disaster. Half of the population did this. It's a horrible thing, but I can understand why people are fucking pissed off and distrustful.[/QUOTE] Which I can understand but I genuinely have a naive hope that people on a forum at the very least can treat each other with respect and have the foresight to ignore folks like Martin without browbeating or labeling each other. When I have a genuine hope like that and get called spineless just because I hope tension relaxes isn't really infuriating to me but it makes me sad, and if I was a lesser person I can only imagine how that does nothing but raise more animosity when you try to do something nice or try to say something as hopeful as that and get smacked away.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51345692]I'm thinking the first one might be fake. If you're tagging a car with shit, why would you do it on the corner?[/QUOTE] Safe to assume reason and logic were thrown out for this particular encounter.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51345708]Most of the ones I've spoken with in person also weren't bigoted, but ignorant, which in many ways is worse.[/QUOTE] Both of my parents voted trump. Whenever politics were discussed they tried to subconsciously pressure me into doing so as well. Neither of them from my perspective are bigoted or wish any ill-will on LGBT or people of different race. But republican is the only thing they know. They despise clinton, and trump gives off the vibe that anybody who works hard and earns their american rights shouldn't have to settle for phony politicians who are all promise and no show. I'm certain their choice was fueled by a sense of "It's what I know and what I know is what I trust." It's not close minded, but it's not open minded either.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51345692]I'm thinking the first one might be fake. If you're tagging a car with shit, why would you do it on the corner?[/QUOTE] Because the corner and side that was tagged were the most concealed areas, allowing the vandals to operate without as much fear of being seen? It was obviously done very hastily, with no re-strokes or touch-ups because they did it and ran. Or because they impulsively started tagging before thinking about how large what they were spray painting would turn out? It's certainly not the work of street artists. It's not rocket science.
[QUOTE=Sift;51345702]I don't think it's valid to post hate crimes at the moment. I'm probably wording this horribly and my apologies but with both sides doing some insane extremist bullshit to each other it seems hardly fair to just post the negatives of one end and act like their specific side of the vote is "clean". A lot of people are dissenting those who just want people to work together now that it's over as being spineless cowards and I find that just as toxic. Really, what's wrong with hoping that as a nation we can still get along until this trainwreck is handled?[/QUOTE] Neither side is "clean" both sides are just as bad. Both sides are having their own hate crimes and a hate crime is a hate crime. It shouldn't be happening, it's 2016, we should be better than this.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51345692]I'm thinking the first one might be fake. If you're tagging a car with shit, why would you do it on the corner?[/QUOTE] There could be something obstructing the middle of the back, such as a tire or a handle to open the door. So they began writing on the right side of this object, forcing them to bend the corner on the later letters. That said, it could also be for the purpose of fitting it all into the picture. Who knows.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51345631]The vast majority of Trump supporters I've interacted with including this forum aren't bigoted[/QUOTE] Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51345708]Most of the ones I've spoken with in person also weren't bigoted, but ignorant, which in many ways is worse.[/QUOTE] Every time someone explains why they support republican they say "Donald trump is a brave man" or "because hilary is a criminal/racist/etc" or say something about socialism being bad they don't actually explain anything. they just say that its bad. They don't even provide a point that I can agree with or an argument, they just expect it to be universally agree'd that "This country is going to hell because of socialist obama" with a hatred in their voice. They just listen to alt-right propaganda and completely pretend everyone who disagrees with them doesn't exist. and then there are people on this forum who actually do provide arguments against specific topics like homosexuality, transexuality, abortion, or for torture, authoritarianism, etc but they end up making themselves sound very extreme. I mean if you are against homosexuality I can respect that, but provide real reasons to it, don't just parrot "its bad" (then again how can you provide an actual anti-gay argument that ISN'T hateful as fuck)
[thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw4JdFdXUAA6-tO.jpg[/thumb] It's a fever dream.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51345748]Every time someone explains why they support republican they say "Donald trump is a brave man" or "because hilary is a criminal/racist/etc" or say something about socialism being bad they don't actually explain anything. they just say that its bad. They don't even provide a point that I can agree with or an argument, they just expect it to be universally agree'd that "This country is going to hell because of socialist obama" with a hatred in their voice. They just listen to alt-right propaganda and completely pretend everyone who disagrees with them doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] To be fair, a frighteningly large amount of the supporting Democrats don't provide a reason why it's [I]good[/I] either.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51345730]Neither side is "clean" both sides are just as bad. Both sides are having their own hate crimes and a hate crime is a hate crime. It shouldn't be happening, it's 2016, we should be better than this.[/QUOTE] I agree and I'm not trying to say people should turn a blind side to them either, but going out and grabbing a handful of hate crimes from the other side and going "Look! Look how bad they are!" is really dishonest when the same exact shit is going on both ways.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51345754]To be fair, a frighteningly large amount of the supporting Democrats don't provide a reason why it's [I]good[/I] either.[/QUOTE] Personally, my reason is because I believe the government should work for and cooperate with the people in that the government should be able to provide for its people who are in the need for it, and allow everyone a fair chance. This includes the poor, blacks, muslims, Jim from that pizza place, lesbians, and people with terrifying physical or mental disorders. If the government just lets children starve and die because no one cared because they were from Muslim stock, then whats the point of having a government at all? though yeah, a hell of a lot of people do this one both sides, which only creates a divide.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51345771]Personally, my reason is because I believe the government should work for and cooperate with the people in that the government should be able to provide for its people who are in the need for it, and allow everyone a fair chance. This includes the poor, blacks, muslims, Jim from that pizza place, lesbians, and people with terrifying physical or mental disorders. If the government just lets children starve and die because no one cared because they were from Muslim stock, then whats the point of having a government at all? though yeah, a hell of a lot of people do this one both sides, which only creates a divide.[/QUOTE] How does this not apply to Trump? Or did you fall for the whole facist hitler meme? (You did)
ok so i'm 15 pages behind but i just want to respond to the abortion thing if you think life is made at conception not birth, why is it ok to kill life because it came from rape, but not because of some other event. it's ill-wanted either way. that child's life shouldn't be removed just because of circumstances outside of its control. but here it's ok to depending on the circumstance, which in the end doesn't make a difference to the child in anyway other than i guess it's birth parents but it's still a living human in that regard. so why abort children from rapists but not regular people? what did those children do to deserve to die? it was out of their control. i think we either allow abortion for all, or none at all. (and i'm pro-abortion)
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51345787]How does this not apply to Trump? Or did you fall for the whole facist hitler meme? (You did)[/QUOTE] it's a lot bigger than that. Why would I support someone whose immigration, gun, LGBT, and economic policies aren't something I agree with? that literally would make no sense at all. Democrats better fit the bill of what I want. Also, my avatar is a smart ass joke [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] Not only that, but everything Trump has said and done himself shows how little he gives a shit about people this dude makes fun of the disabled and I'm supposed to believe this guy will create a government that provides for the poor? Especially when he's against universal health care? how does national healthcare provide for the poor :v: [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] I'm actually legitimately wondering how any of that even slightly applies to trump are you just joking and I'm not smart enough to get it or something
and please people don't be condescending when arguing about stuff here. it doesn't help. inform people, don't call them idiots for being uninformed ESPECIALLY if they WANT to be informed. it makes those with the facts look worse. no matter if they had all the time in the world to learn before the election, they may just be realising now what they've done (for good or for bad) and might want to be more informed, so [I]don't make it any harder by not letting them or telling them you won't inform them because 'too bad' or 'it's too late'.[/I] it doesn't help anyone [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] and don't insult/generalise against either side, [I]doesn't help and makes them want to move LESS to your side[/I] :| [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] and please for the love of god dont tell people they're the 'worst person ever' because of their opinions fuck
[QUOTE=J!NX;51345748]Every time someone explains why they support republican they say "Donald trump is a brave man" or "because hilary is a criminal/racist/etc" or say something about socialism being bad they don't actually explain anything. they just say that its bad. They don't even provide a point that I can agree with or an argument, they just expect it to be universally agree'd that "This country is going to hell because of socialist obama" with a hatred in their voice. They just listen to alt-right propaganda and completely pretend everyone who disagrees with them doesn't exist. and then there are people on this forum who actually do provide arguments against specific topics like homosexuality, transexuality, abortion, or for torture, authoritarianism, etc but they end up making themselves sound very extreme. I mean if you are against homosexuality I can respect that, but provide real reasons to it, don't just parrot "its bad" (then again how can you provide an actual anti-gay argument that ISN'T hateful as fuck)[/QUOTE] The ones I've talked to that say "Socialism has never worked" refuse to acknowledge the countries with social programs that are functioning just fine, and continue citing the Soviet Union, North Korea, and Nazi Germany as signs that socialism doesn't work (ignoring the fact that these countries were dictatorships, and dictatorships rarely work out in the long-run). They also seem to have this thought in their heads that what the president says, goes, which is not the case at all. The president has a voice in what goes on, yes, but I had to remind him that Congress is the one that passes laws, determines the budget, etc., and that it's been Republican-dominated for the majority of Obama's presidency, which again they choose to ignore. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Simplemac3;51345753][thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw4JdFdXUAA6-tO.jpg[/thumb] It's a fever dream.[/QUOTE] :v: What's the date on these?
and did trump actually grab a woman or did he just say he did (like as a joke for a joke scenario you know)
[QUOTE=Punchy;51345723]Both of my parents voted trump. Whenever politics were discussed they tried to subconsciously pressure me into doing so as well. Neither of them from my perspective are bigoted or wish any ill-will on LGBT or people of different race. But republican is the only thing they know. They despise clinton, and trump gives off the vibe that anybody who works hard and earns their american rights shouldn't have to settle for phony politicians who are all promise and no show. I'm certain their choice was fueled by a sense of "It's what I know and what I know is what I trust." It's not close minded, but it's not open minded either.[/QUOTE] My grandmother had an enormous hate-fetish for Clinton. She legitimately started crying when I joked about voting for Hillary (wouldn't matter if I did or didn't anyway, she won my state's electoral votes). She also reportedly watched the third debate and would constantly say "Shut up, bitch! You lying bitch!" every single time Hillary said anything. She even told my mother that she had better vote for Trump when she announced she was going to vote this year. Both she and my great-aunt voted for Trump, despite her constant reassurance that she couldn't stand him, but she just hates Hillary that much more. Her TV always has either Home and Garden TV on, or Fox News, which she claims she leaves on for "background noise" despite seemingly siding with every kooky conspiracy they cooked up regarding Obama (she couldn't stand to hear him talk, either) and refusing to acknowledge any corrections I would provide regarding what she had heard on Fox.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51345862] :v: What's the date on these?[/QUOTE] edit november 2012 elections
[QUOTE=343N;51345868]and did trump actually grab a woman or did he just say he did (like as a joke for a joke scenario you know)[/QUOTE] There are many who claimed he did, though many think they lack credibility because they only came forward after the tape was released. However, it's also likely that they didn't come forward sooner because, as we saw with the Bill Cosby case, celebrities tend to get the benefit of a doubt when it comes to such accusations. Anytime someone claims *famous person* sexually assaulted/harrassed/raped them, it's automatically assumed by many that they're doing it for money or fame (because who doesn't want to be known as "that person who lied about rape because they were bored lol"?). But with the release of the tape, it was practically an admission of guilt, because the tape combined with previous freely-available statements from shows like Howard Stern started to paint a different picture, as people now knew how he would talk when he thought nobody was listening. Regardless of whether or not he actually did it, that he would make such a statement for whatever reason on top of how he creeped on his co-star shortly afterwards, whether to butter up to Bush or to seem like an alpha male or whatever, paints him as someone who doesn't have much respect for women, clearly in contrast to his statements otherwise.
what pains me is that i'm seeing that a lot of republicans aren't celebrating about breaking the establishment or finally being able to enforce trumps policies but that 'sjw's around the world cry! it's so good!' like, come on. the election isn't about getting revenge or proving people wrong it's about creating the best policies for the future, and whether you think that's Trump or Clinton, the election should be about what the candidates are going to bring forth to the table, not getting revenge on the people you don't like. it's petty, and pointless. [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] yeah he did say some pretty stupid things in that tape though, but man imagine making a joke about grabbing someone by the pussy only having it haunt you 11 years later? that is scary to me. (not saying trump is innocent OR guilty)
[QUOTE=usaokay;51345351]My campus held a protest today [t]http://i.imgur.com/0GvGAB0.jpg[/t] Hmm[/QUOTE] Man maybe if you don't want your children to worry about being "illegal" then you shouldn't have fucked them over by illegally crossing the border. The issue is that he wants to deport [I]every single illegal immigrant right the now[/I], not that he wants illegal immigrants gone.
If immigration wasn't such a shitty issue for people, illegals wouldn't be such a shitty problem. but no, instead of working with a system that works, Trump wants to work through it. It's better to make legal immigration easier to deal with than simply throwing the people who got sick of dealing with it away
[QUOTE=J!NX;51345978]If immigration wasn't such a shitty issue for people, illegals wouldn't be such a shitty problem. but no, instead of working with a system that works, Trump wants to work through it. It's better to make legal immigration easier to deal with than simply throwing the people who got sick of dealing with it away[/QUOTE] Maybe if they were sick of dealing with it they should have stayed in their own country. When my family immigrated to Canada they had to go through tons of shit but they never decided to go here illegally just because they were "sick of it". Immigration is a privilege not a right.
People can easily say that an immigration system that takes many years to go through is "honorable, a sign of patience" etc. when what they mean is "it takes so long that they'll probably give up, and if not, we can just deport the undesirables back to where they came from". Republicans have no legitimate interest in legal immigration. At least not the kind that is fair or timely in any way.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51346060]Maybe if they were sick of dealing with it they should have stayed in their own country. When my family immigrated to Canada they had to go through tons of shit but they never decided to go here illegally just because they were "sick of it". Immigration is a privilege not a right.[/QUOTE] Canada is different than the US I would imagine. All I'm saying is to make immigration not insanely fucked to deal with. I won't say it should be a right, but making it as hard as it is isn't really reasonable. I'm sure someone better educated can show exactly HOW hard it is, though. [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] Also I'm still wondering how Trump provides a fair shake for everyone and cooperates well when he's a dude who wants national healthcare, wants to put a ban on Muslims, doesn't support free college level education, and all of the other shit he wants to do. At least Obama cooperates. Something the republicans absolutely don't want to do, and something Donald "It's RIGGED, WE NEED A REVOLUTION" Trump doesn't care to do.
[t]https://puu.sh/sdjKd/b7d244a55f.png[/t] I'm really disappointed with the BBC. You want to run an anti trump piece? sure, have fun. But they run an entire page of it, and it's all off the wall. Who's going to suffer? Shock and dismay! Front porch revolt vote! Thousands riot against him! "Not my president!" China looming behind! Merkel is disgusted! There's no way that's not a deliberate move to debase trump. Nowhere do they acknowledge the fact that half the country voted him in. Nowhere do they give the slightest nod that maybe people agree with his stance and policy. And all the anti trump stuff could've been stuffed into one article, but they willfully stretched it across the page. The "thousands rally against trump" article reads like north korean propoganda. The headlines are supposed to be objective and impartial reports so the consumer can make their own mind up, and not a platform for feckless ideologues. leave this bullshit to the editorial section of the paper where it belongs. Fuckin' hell
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