Nintendo Takes Down Pokemon TC Hack After 8 Yrs in Dev. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;51561545]I wonder if it will get leaked like that Chrono Trigger hack from years back[/QUOTE] That mod was basically done, just needed someone to go over the script and difficulty. It's a shame, it's so close to actually being a working sequel. Unfortunately Chrono swearing was... jank

[QUOTE=redBadger;51562287]Meanwhile companies like Sega actively promote fan mods and games. Nintendo needs to get over themselves.[/QUOTE] That's because it keeps Sega alive and relevant... Nintendo on the other hand has their own large niche filled with mindless fans who'll buy almost anything they release.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51562451]Nintendo on the other hand has their own large niche filled with mindless fans who'll buy almost anything they release.[/QUOTE] The decade between Sonic Adventure and Sonic Generations says that Sega has the same thing going on. [editline]•[/editline] Hell, I'll go one up. Every company and game series has a mindless group of people who will buy just about anything. Gearbox, Valve, Sony, Microsoft and FROM are a few who come to mind. Even if all the games they make are good and the legal team behind them are on the up and up, people will continue their purchases because they enjoy said series

[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;51561839]Since 1984, the only pro-consumer thing Nintendo has done is put a sticker on their game boxes saying it won't lock up the game system. It's been downhill ever since.[/QUOTE] That's quite a negative way to look at it. Does nobody remember what caused the video game crash? Meanwhile there are valid complaints about Greenlight filling up Steam with shovelware and broken titles, and calls for Valve to start running quality control on what gets put on Steam.

[QUOTE=usaokay;51561815]Maybe don't advertise your ~fan projects~ before release???[/QUOTE] Or, if possible, release a demo/beta version or something? Then when Nintendo C&D's them people would still be able to play it. A demo is better than nothing. Also, this video perfectly sums up my feelings on the matter. [video=youtube;2LoBPJ4Vrg0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoBPJ4Vrg0[/video]

How was it going to be released? A delta patch?

It really wasn't that long ago that we had that widely publicized shit-fit with the nuking of the Metroid 2 remake and Pokemon Uranium, so why would this guy think it was a good idea to go and make a trailer and jump into the spotlight?? Especially since it was nearly finished. It really sucks as always but damn people need to stop trusting nintendo to not do shit like this.

[QUOTE=waylander;51562690]How was it going to be released? A delta patch?[/QUOTE] yeah, was going to be released as a patch you have to apply to a rom.

[QUOTE=usaokay;51561815]Maybe don't advertise your ~fan projects~ before release???[/QUOTE] That or make it open source and decentralised from the get go so it's impossible to take down.

[QUOTE=Dracon;51562704]yeah, was going to be released as a patch you have to apply to a rom.[/QUOTE] Tell them to fuck off he's not releasing the ROM there c&d is baseless, and the fact they have the balls to say he can't develop any more Pokémon stuff

If i was him id release it anyway. Fuck Nintendo, thats the dudes lifes work

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51562757]If i was him id release it anyway. Fuck Nintendo, thats the dudes lifes work[/QUOTE] I don't think he wants to go to jail or get sued

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51562757]If i was him id release it anyway. Fuck Nintendo, thats the dudes lifes work[/QUOTE] A patch from January of this was already leaked, although buggy. See if you can bug the Twitch Plays Pokemon people, they should have access to a working patch.

Fan works are always a legal gray area depending on the company and IP in question. Nintendo seems generally fine with fan art, animation, and music. It's only fan games that seem to get taken down on a more regular basis (and especially high-profile ones). No matter how upset you want to get, Nintendo is within their rights to challenge a project that potentially infringes on their copyrights, and a C&D is a risk you have to acknowledge for any IP you dont have a stake in. And depending on perspective, you could also be mad at the fan devs for making a project that had a high chance of being shut down rather than a Pokemon inspired project that would've been totally safe from a C&D. It would be cool if Nintendo allowed some freedoms for fans to make fan games (or at least some consistent rules), but it's such a weird area if you're one who likes to control your brand. And Nintendo/TPC arent the only ones.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;51562808]Fan works are always a legal gray area depending on the company and IP in question. Nintendo seems generally fine with fan art, animation, and music. It's only fan games that seem to get taken down on a more regular basis (and especially high-profile ones). No matter how upset you want to get, Nintendo is within their rights to challenge a project that potentially infringes on their copyrights, and a C&D is a risk you have to acknowledge for any IP you dont have a stake in. And depending on perspective, you could also be mad at the fan devs for making a project that had a high chance of being shut down rather than a Pokemon inspired project that would've been totally safe from a C&D. It would be cool if Nintendo allowed some freedoms for fans to make fan games (or at least some consistent rules), but it's such a weird area if you're one who likes to control your brand. And Nintendo/TPC arent the only ones.[/QUOTE] Fair use should cover this

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51562820]Fair use should cover this[/QUOTE] Not when you're using the Pokemon name

i was curious and looked up the legal company that nintendo is using against this guy, and found their name is also a disease: :v: [t]http://i.imgur.com/wuHXtnj.png[/t] I think honestly he could've avoided a lot of this by not using the name "pokemon" or throwing around the words "official." Nintendo may have just felt that people would get confused by it being an official thing. If it stays underground, Nintendo usually hears about it one way or another but ignores it. this just went public hard with such a big announcement and release trailer and stuff. and he admits that in his tweets, i think that if it had stayed underground for just a bit longer it could've gotten out. also this is probably the saddest series of tweets I've ever read (read upside down non-twitter users.) [t]http://i.imgur.com/vwxMjaw.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51562820]Fair use should cover this[/QUOTE] Fair Use isn't as strong of a defense as you think it is. You'd be very hard pressed to find a lawyer who thinks this was an actual example of fair use.

[QUOTE=postal;51562768]It really wasn't that long ago that we had that widely publicized shit-fit with the nuking of the Metroid 2 remake and Pokemon Uranium, so why would this guy think it was a good idea to go and make a trailer and jump into the spotlight?? Especially since it was nearly finished. It really sucks as always but damn people need to stop trusting nintendo to not do shit like this.[/QUOTE] They need to stop trusting game companies period.

From the C&D: [t]http://i.imgur.com/lPvedpAh.jpg[/t] I honestly can't blame Nintendo for this. He used the Pokemon name, a similar naming structure to the official titles, and kind of flagrantly threw the word "official" around. I can easily see people not well versed in Pokemon confusing it with the actual IP, and that's probably the exact reason why Nintendo sent the C&D. Let's also not forget that bootleg Pokemon carts were a real problem for Nintendo for a long time. He's got nobody to blame but himself imo.

Fuck them, plain and simple, everyone in the community has agreed to only do patches (aka not redistributing part of the original game's code, only what changes have to be done to it) that a program applies automatically, it requires an original game rom that's legally ripped. I hate the argument that "buut no one legally rips roms!!!" can you tell me how is that anyone's issue besides from the person that pirated the title? even if people make mods piracy is still not automatically legal, it's not the modder's fucking fault, that would be like blaming a gun manufacturer for assassinations performed with their equipment, but to be fair most of these issues only happen in the US because of the DMCA (thank god SINDE is barely enforced in my country), but it still makes me mad to see people work their asses off to ensure they don't do any damage to the company and they still get fucked. What do companies like nintendo really do for us anyways? they give us games and we pay an exorbitant price for them, and then what?, the modding community is what makes this art different from others, it's what makes games so special at least for me, it creates a sense of cooperation, of real community, the people that buy their games are the reason they have such a big empire, and how do they pay them back? by giving them cease and desist letters. They are greedy, they just want more, back in the day consoles where machines that anyone could study and understand how it worked by reverse engineering and then share that knowledge with their friends, and now if you dare reverse engineer anything you will probably get into big trouble. They hide behind the concept of piracy as a sheild against all those terrible things they do, even the term piracy is terrible, a pirate is someone that attacks other vessels out in the sea, not anyone that shares a song with his friend (I'm against commercial piracy though), as if not allowing people to modify their games makes them sell more, not it bloody doesn't and in fact it probably sells less.

I have been following this since the beginning This really fucking sucks

I can't wait for Nintendo to C&D someone and end up getting a counter-lawsuit they can't win.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51563768]From the C&D: [t]http://i.imgur.com/lPvedpAh.jpg[/t] I honestly can't blame Nintendo for this. He used the Pokemon name, a similar naming structure to the official titles, and kind of flagrantly threw the word "official" around. I can easily see people not well versed in Pokemon confusing it with the actual IP, and that's probably the exact reason why Nintendo sent the C&D. Let's also not forget that bootleg Pokemon carts were a real problem for Nintendo for a long time. He's gotta nobody to blame but himself imo.[/QUOTE] Well yeah it's similar, it's running on the same engine and code as Pokemon Crystal. "Naming structure" and stuff is pretty vague :v:

I don't get why more people don't try to fight these bogus C&D's by raising money on patreon or gofundme, if people are truly as upset about it as they say they should put their money where their mouth is, if its basically a legal war of attrition then why not?

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;51563901]I can't wait for Nintendo to C&D someone and end up getting a counter-lawsuit they can't win.[/QUOTE] if someone brought a case like this, or metroid or what have you, to a court, the judge would laugh them out of the courtroom. [QUOTE=shad0w440;51564007]I don't get why more people don't try to fight these bogus C&D's by raising money on patreon or gofundme, if people are truly as upset about it as they say they should put their money where their mouth is, if its basically a legal war of attrition then why not?[/QUOTE] because they're in the wrong lmao. like, they may not be assholes and may be really stand up dudes and their projects may be awesome (nintendo even stated this in the C&D letter saying they respect his work,) but they are using copy written imagery, trademarked titles, and characters owned by nintendo/the pokemon company and so on. nintendo has no choice but to go after them, specifically because people, average consumers that is who don't know what a romhack is, get confused with it being the real thing. as someone said above me, he throws the word "pokemon" and "official" around a ton, which can easily confuse people. nintendo has to do this, whether they want to or not, [B]in order to protect their IP from being obscured and lost into the free market. they don't do it with every romhack or fan media, they just do it with the ones that get thrown into the spotlight,[/B] as this one did, in order to protect their IP from going into the free market. if you wanna go after anyone, go after the national govt's and the way they treat IPs.

if he were to just change the title of the game, tweak any in game references to pokemon, and slide it on to some file sharing service, would anyone be the wiser? it'd be a damn awful shame to let those 8 years bear no fruit

[QUOTE=Bynine;51564274]if he were to just change the title of the game, tweak any in game references to pokemon, and slide it on to some file sharing service, would anyone be the wiser? it'd be a damn awful shame to let those 8 years bear no fruit[/QUOTE] Considering he's just "not allowed to do anything with pokemon" that'd probably be fine tbh He'd have a shitton of references to change I'm sure though

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51564224]I don't think average consumers would know how to run a rom hack, let alone somehow get it confused with official pokemon games. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid.[/QUOTE] Until somebody sticks it on a bootleg cart and starts selling it. You can still find a shitton of bootlegs at flea markets and the like. Not that it's such a big problem anymore since we've moved on to consoles with cartridge signature checks like the DS and such, but this was a legitimate problem back when the GameBoy line of consoles were still being sold.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51564224]I don't think average consumers would know how to run a rom hack, let alone somehow get it confused with official pokemon games. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid.[/QUOTE] you underestimate the power of the average consumer. people don't know what a romhack is. they just see "oh hey pokemon ____, must be new pokemon game!" confusion happens. it's not much and usually get's corrected quickly but it damages the brand nonetheless. its the same reason people get confused by seeing yokai watch and just thinking it's another pokemon thing. or the same reason that parents still consider "video games" to just be "a nintendo." that kinda thing threatens IPs a ton, which for instance is why the band-aid and kleenex brands are at risk for their names being thrown into the public space. the "a nintendo" problem, combined with the bootleg market that destroyed nintendo's chances outside of america back in the 90s, is the reason why nintendo has to go after these kinds of projects. because if the US government sees people using their IPs like they're commonplace and nintendo isn't doing anything about it (which is why it only happens when it gets a ton of popularity) then they'll lose the rights to the IP. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gk99;51564308]Considering he's just "not allowed to do anything with pokemon" that'd probably be fine tbh He'd have a shitton of references to change I'm sure though[/QUOTE] that's probably the only way out of this for him. but he'd be under nintendo's microscope so there'd be little legroom for error.