Good job MS, you stabed yourself again: An Absolutely Terrifying Chart For Windows 8 sales - Polidicks

Yeah well, another issue is getting businesses to switch. You can't expect every company to switch whenever you create a new product. We literally just switched from XP to win 7 a few years ago and I don't expect to see Windows 8 anytime soon. This could easily happen with any product.

I had 8 when it came with a new laptop then went back to 7 because it kept giving me really bad graphics driver errors.

I'm kind of perplexed why Microsoft just doesn't allow metro I be optional. It wouldn't be that hard of a process even this late in the game right?

People are waiting for win9

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43124199]People are waiting for win9[/QUOTE] IF MS will ever break their own rule of every second OS is better, it would be lovely.

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43124023]I find it funny that they refuse to implement the simplest solution to all the criticism. Refresh the win7 shell with proper scaling for todays monitors and tone down the Aero and rounded corners, Then the complaints would be non-existent in comparison to now.[/QUOTE] Because they're moving into a completely new system. Windows 8 is the first big break from the old Windows API. Win32 is kept around for backwards compatibility (except on ARM devices) but Microsoft really wants everyone to stop using it because it's almost 20 years old. PCs are a dead end as far as evolution goes. There is no world-changing innovation occurring here anymore. Mobile computing is the new growth market, and Microsoft is trying to stay relevant. People resist change and Windows 8 was too massive a change, but to ask for them to abandon this effort and give us Windows 7+a bit is like asking the tide to stop.

They made alot of $$$. It is all that matters really.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43124196]I'm kind of perplexed why Microsoft just doesn't allow metro I be optional. It wouldn't be that hard of a process even this late in the game right?[/QUOTE] It'd require capitulation on top of the compromises Microsoft's already made in Windows 8.1, and they are set on this trajectory for a while because they're staking the company's future on their efforts to unify and service-ize their products.

[QUOTE=Neddy;43123978]Tbh. Its not microsofts fault that people hate change. The operating itself is fast as hell and has alot of improvements from windows 7. [B]The UI is the only reason it isn't selling when it takes roughly 5-10 minutes to get use to.[/B] People just need to get use to the change. It isn't necessary hard to learn how to use metro at all.[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit if it takes 5-10 minutes to "get used to it" My workflow will [I]never[/I] be the same and will ultimately suffer because I've been using non-metro type interfaces since before I could walk. The performance increases, from what I've seen, are ultimately negligible. A couple seconds here, some milliseconds there, forced vsync, another user in this thread shared his complaints of a different sound subsystem and shoddy firewire support. Metro should have been an [I]option.[/I] Period. Forcing it down the throats of every single consumer who touches it will be the death of W8.

Honestly I have to use power8 just to make it more user friendly. I totally ignore the tiles because while fun to look at they're not very useful if you need to handle tons and tons of programs. The metro features just feel cumbersome to use and setup to the point where I want nothing to do with them as they're just a waste of time.

What a surprise. Look, Win7 was a killer. You can't bring out a new operating system that essentially functions the same as 7 and expect to repeat that same success. There is nothing in Win8 worth paying money for if you're already using Win7 with a PC, upgrading from 7 to 8 adds practically no value.

I've used Windows 8 on touchscreen laptops before, and I have to say that it was fluid and overall a nice experience. I don't really care to upgrade though, because I don't have any touchscreen computers (phone aside) and the interface just isn't built with my use in mind. The technical improvements are nice, but they're too incremental feeling to justify shooting my UI in the foot . [quote=Mors Quaedam;43123847]this is something that is going to encourage a switch to Linux, being the only free operating system that's already in use by people.[/quote] As much as I love GNU/Linux, I doubt this actually will. The debacle with Windows Vista got people saying the same thing, but almost nobody switched to Linux. They just stayed on Windows XP. TBH I'm expecting the exact same thing will happen here again, and people will stay on 7 until it is no longer supported. It's nice to hope and dream, though.

The article is pretty alarmist, implying that if users don't like it on desktop that they'll somehow reject it on other platforms, which is a pretty big stretch. Also I fail to see how they can classify it as a flop just by comparing it to its predecessor, when the two are vastly different. Windows 7 was the next generation of a familiar set-up, Windows 8 is completely different, of course it's going to be adopted on a different timeframe.

[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;43124032]Try saying that to the 300+ Users on a business network. You can't just roll these changes out and expect people to get on with their job. The Enterprise market is exactly why this OS is failing. Personally I bought 8 with every intention to use it ( And I did for a fair amount of time and my laptop still runs it), I've since reverted to 7: The audio subsystem in 8 is RUBBISH [/QUOTE] I'm actually curious about this one. I haven't heard that they made any changes to the audio system in Win8. From what I can tell, its exactly the same.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43123956]I feel the opposite. I love the metro menu. I could never turn back to the start menu.[/QUOTE] Having used W8 on a friend's laptop I can 100% assuredly say I do not. I [i]loathe[/i] Metro. I'm not leaving W7 for a loooooooong time. But then again I'm one of those oddballs that still uses the sodding quicklaunch, so there's that. I didn't even like aero all that much and have it turned off. Looking at my desktop you couldn't tell I was running W7 at all, it looks like Win98. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bentham;43124283] Windows 7 was the next generation of a familiar set-up, Windows 8 is completely different, of course it's going to be adopted on a different timeframe.[/QUOTE] And it might not get adopted at all. It's pretty clear the majority don't like it. The UI wasn't broken and Microsoft is seeing the effects of making such sweeping changes to something that worked just fine as it was.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43124215]Because they're moving into a completely new system. Windows 8 is the first big break from the old Windows API. Win32 is kept around for backwards compatibility (except on ARM devices) but Microsoft really wants everyone to stop using it because it's almost 20 years old. PCs are a dead end as far as evolution goes. There is no world-changing innovation occurring here anymore. Mobile computing is the new growth market, and Microsoft is trying to stay relevant. People resist change and Windows 8 was too massive a change, but to ask for them to abandon this effort and give us Windows 7+a bit is like asking the tide to stop.[/QUOTE] Should've made a completely new product line instead of butchering a existent one then.

I guarantee the reason why Win7 marketshare is growing is because of enterprise. They are deploying 7 because its tried and tested and requires a minimum amount of adjustment for employees. Means less time and money spent on training. That's just business sense.

I bought Windows 8 because I got it cheap through a loophole (They had some site offering a £10 off from the original £25 if you bought a PC in the last two years, you could just enter false info). Don't use it anymore though, on Windows 7 ATM. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;43124267]The debacle with Windows Vista got people saying the same thing, but almost nobody switched to Linux.[/QUOTE] That's probably because there were hardly any games whatsoever and it was still pretty 'unready' for mainstream consumption. Nowadays there's Steam with a decent library of games and a lot more software etc, and it's a lot simpler and easier to get into than ever before, especially with Ubuntu.

You can't expect to put out a new OS so quickly and expect the demand to be there. Businesses took like 6 or 7 years to want to switch off of xp to 7

I use Windows 8 because I don't really mind the start screen, and find the performance increases more important than the old start menu. Though I got it for free trough a collegue of mine, if I had to pay I probably wouldn't have been using it. ( he got keys from his school which are able to be used on multiple computers )

[QUOTE=Demache;43124333]I guarantee the reason why Win7 marketshare is growing is because of enterprise. They are deploying 7 because its tried and tested and requires a minimum amount of adjustment for employees. Means less time and money spent on training. That's just business sense.[/QUOTE] Businesses depend on reliability and dependability (including familiarity). And make fewer but bigger upgrades.

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43124317]Should've made a completely new product line instead of butchering a existent one then.[/QUOTE] Because maintaining [B]TWO[/B] major consumer desktop OS lines is going to be somehow better than the shambling security nightmare that's been the state of Windows for the last decade. Evolution happens, stay on Windows 7 for now. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43124388]Businesses depend on reliability and dependability (including familiarity). And make fewer but bigger upgrades.[/QUOTE] I think Microsoft knew businesses would not be adopting shit this year, but they've still got to try.

I'm using it right now purely for the performance increase, mainly in boot time (which is what made me boot into Linux constantly out of lazyness, and then boot back into Windows as I get pissed off at its shittery after a day or so)

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43124388]Businesses depend on reliability and dependability (including familiarity). And make fewer but bigger upgrades.[/QUOTE] Exactly. They don't give a shit about shaving a few seconds off of boot times or slightly faster 3d rendering, and I guarantee you they don't want things that eat more horses from their budgeted machines. They care about how easy it is to get [I]all[/I] their employees onto the new system with as little bitching as possible, and right now W8=extensive bitching+lower productivity+high cost retraining Business will lose money on W8, bigger ones especially.

Ok MS we know you don't want money.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43124398]Because maintaining [B]TWO[/B] major consumer desktop OS lines is going to be somehow better than the shambling security nightmare that's been the state of Windows for the last decade. Evolution happens, stay on Windows 7 for now.[/QUOTE] The kernels of such lineup is inevitably gonna be more or less identical, and that's where almost all security flaws originate from.

I bought 8 as an upgrade the day it came out (while on sale) and I don't really regret it. The performance increase I experienced with the same hardware was great and I don't feel like the new start menu hasn't ever been an inconvenience. 8.1 really polished off but I still would never consider buying it at the current price of over 100 bucks. That's just silly and Microsoft needs to change the entire marketing method they've gone with.

[QUOTE=Tobba;43124405]I'm using it right now purely for the performance increase, mainly in boot time (which is what made me boot into Linux constantly out of lazyness, and then boot back into Windows as I get pissed off at its shittery after a day or so)[/QUOTE] looool, boot time, the second most useless performance statistic of a computer. The only stat more meaningless is your framerate in Minesweeper. Anything under 30 seconds = no need to worry.

[QUOTE=Demache;43124290]I'm actually curious about this one. I haven't heard that they made any changes to the audio system in Win8. From what I can tell, its exactly the same.[/QUOTE] One thing I personally experienced with this is that you can't change midi output device in Windows 8 from "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth". In XP you could select midi devices from a list in the control panel, in Win7 you could change through a registry hack but in Windows 8 there is no damn way.

[QUOTE=TestECull;43124464]looool, boot time, the second most useless performance statistic of a computer. The only stat more meaningless is your framerate in Minesweeper. Anything under 30 seconds = no need to worry.[/QUOTE] Also it's no longer a cold boot afaik it's some sort of hybrid shutdown-hibernate which windows 8 does now making the boot time faster because it doesn't really have to completely reboot.