Good job MS, you stabed yourself again: An Absolutely Terrifying Chart For Windows 8 sales - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;43124468]One thing I personally experienced with this is that you can't change midi output device in Windows 8 from "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth". In XP you could select midi devices from a list in the control panel, in Win7 you could change through a registry hack but in Windows 8 there is no damn way.[/QUOTE] There actually is. I actually have an application that let's you change your MIDI device and it was designed for Vista. So apparently the setting is still there. It just got obfuscated somehow if an application designed for Vista can still do it. Its called Vista MIDI fix if your curious.

[QUOTE=benbb;43124351]I bought Windows 8 because I got it cheap through a loophole (They had some site offering a £10 off from the original £25 if you bought a PC in the last two years, you could just enter false info). Don't use it anymore though, on Windows 7 ATM. [/QUOTE] Funny, I got windows 8 through the exact same exploit. [QUOTE=benbb;43124351] That's probably because there were hardly any games whatsoever and it was still pretty 'unready' for mainstream consumption. Nowadays there's Steam with a decent library of games and a lot more software etc, and it's a lot simpler and easier to get into than ever before, especially with Ubuntu.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but Ubuntu is an awful example of a Linux distro to use. Nevertheless, you're right. It's becoming far easier, as more developers are supporting Linux.

Windows 8 has never seemed like it's worth it to switch from 7, imo. You misspelled stabbed btw.

time for the vista vs. 8 thread

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;43124566]time for the vista vs. 8 thread[/QUOTE] [sp]linux masterrace[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43123847]See, this is what I said in the other thread about Windows.[/QUOTE] Linux is not for human beings. The average consumer doesn't want to have to go into a command-line to install everything when the can just run a binary and have it done in 10 seconds.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124647]Linux is not for human beings. The average consumer doesn't want to have to go into a command-line to install everything when the can just run a binary and have it done in 10 seconds.[/QUOTE] You've clearly not used Ubuntu for a very long time then. While it's not the best distro out there, I still respect it for its ease of use. Please read this page. [url]http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop[/url] And while you just generalised Linux, [URL="http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity"]Ubuntu is the most popular distro available behind Mint.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124532]Funny, I got windows 8 through the exact same exploit. Yeah, but Ubuntu is an awful example of a Linux distro to use. Nevertheless, you're right. It's becoming far easier, as more developers are supporting Linux.[/QUOTE] whats wrong with buntu, I love my buntu [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124647]Linux is not for human beings. The average consumer doesn't want to have to go into a command-line to install everything when the can just run a binary and have it done in 10 seconds.[/QUOTE] So I [I]AM[/I] a martian?

It's all about timing, if they waited another 2 years till they released windows 8, it would get a hell of a lot more sales.

its ok, they are garenteed to improve sales of win 8 vs win 7 throughout 2014 and into 2015, i predict at least a 1000% gain on win 7 sales in 2015 [url]http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle[/url]

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124664]You've clearly not used Ubuntu for a very long time then. While it's not the best distro out there, I still respect it for its ease of use. Please read this page. [url]http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop[/url][/QUOTE] I have indeed used Ubuntu. First off, no linux distro has the market share that windows does, making it near impossible for there to be a massive switch to it for the shear reason that there aren't enough applications for Ubuntu that have any kind of professional recognition. Secondly, binaries are not commonly used in Ubuntu, though I admit there is SUCH THING as a .deb package but most people who program for linux use raw source code in tar archives that require yo to untar and compile yourself. The basic point is that linux aims to make code open source for users to change as they see fit and not be constrained by the propriety of stuff like windows or (especially) mac, but the problem is that most people AREN'T programmers, and they DON'T give a shit about open source software and they never will because most consumers just want to buy a product and have it install itself, they don't want to have to learn linux terminal commands just to install shit. That was the entire reason personal computers became a thing; because they were easy to use by the consumer and you didn't have to code or even INSTALL your own operating system because it came with the package.

[QUOTE=Neddy;43123978]Tbh. Its not microsofts fault that people hate change. The operating itself is fast as hell and has alot of improvements from windows 7. The UI is the only reason it isn't selling when it takes roughly 5-10 minutes to get use to. People just need to get use to the change. It isn't necessary hard to learn how to use metro at all.[/QUOTE] it has absolutely nothing to do with people ''hating change''. windows 8 just isn't a good OS. when vista came out and everybody was going on about how awful it was, I bought a new laptop and to this day I still feel that vista was a good OS and all the people who hated it just didn't take the time to understand it. that is not the case here. I would be extremely pleased if microsoft brought out a new OS that offered meaningful change and improvement. that's what they did with vista and that's what they did with windows 7 and that's why I bought them. microsoft has just become an all around bad company.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124727]I have indeed used Ubuntu. First off, no linux distro has the market share that windows does, making it near impossible for there to be a massive switch to it for the shear reason that there aren't enough applications for Ubuntu that have any kind of professional recognition. Secondly, binaries are not commonly used in Ubuntu, though I admit there is SUCH THING as a .deb package but most people who program for linux use raw source code in tar archives that require yo to untar and compile yourself. The basic point is that linux aims to make code open source for users to change as they see fit and not be constrained by the propriety of stuff like windows or (especially) mac, but the problem is that most people AREN'T programmers, and they DON'T give a shit about open source software and they never will because most consumers just want to buy a product and have it install itself, they don't want to have to learn linux terminal commands just to install shit. That was the entire reason personal computers became a thing; because they were easy to use by the consumer and you didn't have to code or even INSTALL your own operating system because it came with the package.[/QUOTE] 1. Please paragraph your posts, it makes them easier to read. 2. You've just contradicted yourself. You say there is such thing as a .deb file to install software with, yet you're saying you need a terminal command to install it. That's utter bullshit. [img]http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/9ba96b7173fa54e80c1c6e60a474f31b.png[/img] 3. What? All of the software I've installed either has a self-compile script or is already compiled. 4. There are such things as tutorials online to help install software. 5. Have you ever heard of the Ubuntu Software Centre? 6. Why should users care about open-source software? I don't make a huge fuss about it being open-source, I just install it and it works. (Obviously I don't install stuff I don't trust, that's just dumb, as on Windows or Mac) Please find decent evidence to back up your argument, or don't bother trying to argue. Thanks.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124727]I have indeed used Ubuntu. First off, no linux distro has the market share that windows does, making it near impossible for there to be a massive switch to it for the shear reason that there aren't enough applications for Ubuntu that have any kind of professional recognition. Secondly, binaries are not commonly used in Ubuntu, though I admit there is SUCH THING as a .deb package but most people who program for linux use raw source code in tar archives that require yo to untar and compile yourself. The basic point is that linux aims to make code open source for users to change as they see fit and not be constrained by the propriety of stuff like windows or (especially) mac, but the problem is that most people AREN'T programmers, and they DON'T give a shit about open source software and they never will because most consumers just want to buy a product and have it install itself, they don't want to have to learn linux terminal commands just to install shit. That was the entire reason personal computers became a thing; because they were easy to use by the consumer and you didn't have to code or even INSTALL your own operating system because it came with the package.[/QUOTE] My dad is pretty computer illiterate and he uses a laptop with Linux Mint on a daily basis. Granted, all he uses on it is Firefox. But for the vast majority of computer users, a web browser, office suite and media player is all you ever need. And most mainstream Linux distros come with those bundled in.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;43123974]MS will never learn.[/QUOTE] wouldnt it be weird if like we continued making money off of like old products that people like and like ALSO our new products? wow

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124727]I have indeed used Ubuntu. First off, no linux distro has the market share that windows does, making it near impossible for there to be a massive switch to it for the shear reason that there aren't enough applications for Ubuntu that have any kind of professional recognition. Secondly, binaries are not commonly used in Ubuntu, though I admit there is SUCH THING as a .deb package but most people who program for linux use raw source code in tar archives that require yo to untar and compile yourself. The basic point is that linux aims to make code open source for users to change as they see fit and not be constrained by the propriety of stuff like windows or (especially) mac, but the problem is that most people AREN'T programmers, and they DON'T give a shit about open source software and they never will because most consumers just want to buy a product and have it install itself, they don't want to have to learn linux terminal commands just to install shit. That was the entire reason personal computers became a thing; because they were easy to use by the consumer and you didn't have to code or even INSTALL your own operating system because it came with the package.[/QUOTE] Like 99% of all shit for Linux has a pre-compiled option

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;43123915]They should've just made Metro optional, IMO. Windows 8 is excellent when you remove most of the Metro features.[/QUOTE] The almost unanimous consensus from my clients in my computer repair business is that they hate Windows 8/8.1 solely because of Metro interface. I've even installed some of the various start menu replacements for some customers and they still hate it because of start menu glitches/inconsistencies or because Metro still randomly pops up and interrupts them. The only people that I've seen that actually like it are kids (I guess because of the colored tiles and touch interface, but tablets have the same functionality so moot point) and the hipster types. I tried Windows 8 and 8.1 in a VM for a few months and I don't like it at all. The Metro GUI pisses me off just looking at it. It seems like Microsoft (as well as many other tech companies) are getting their priorities assbackwards in terms of aesthetics over functionality. [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124727]The basic point is that linux aims to make code open source for users to change as they see fit and not be constrained by the propriety of stuff like windows or (especially) mac, but the problem is that most people AREN'T programmers, and they DON'T give a shit about open source software and they never will because most consumers just want to buy a product and have it install itself, they don't want to have to learn linux terminal commands just to install shit. That was the entire reason personal computers became a thing; because they were easy to use by the consumer and you didn't have to code or even INSTALL your own operating system because it came with the package.[/QUOTE] You don't need to use a bash console to install programs, that's why package managers exist. And nearly all packages are pre-compiled, the source packages are different and usually have the -dev or -devel suffix. I've switched at least a dozen people from Windows to Linux for various reasons (mostly because they were using warez Windows and can't afford to buy a license. As a business I can't reinstall that.) I either installed some version of Fedora or Xubuntu and after a short crash course on how to use the XFCE desktop environment, I never heard a single problem from any of them.

Let's all face the fact that Windows 8 was a way to move hardware production to tablet-based PC's

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124828]1. Please paragraph your posts, it makes them easier to read.[/QUOTE] Duly noted [quote]2. You've just contradicted yourself. You say there is such thing as a .deb file to install software with, yet you're saying you need a terminal command to install it. That's utter bullshit.[/quote] There is SUCH THING, but I rarely see it used. [quote]3. What? All of the software I've installed either has a self-compile script or is already compiled.[/quote] That I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) has to be untarred through the command line [quote]4. There are such things as tutorials online to help install software.[/quote] There shouldn't have to be. In Windows you double click, in Mac you can drag the application to your applications folder. This is much easier for the average consumer and way more intuitive. [quote]5. Have you ever heard of the Ubuntu Software Centre?[/quote] a small appstore to give you a demo of what Ubuntu can do, but it's unfulfilling and largely pointless. [quote]6. Why should users care about open-source software? I don't make a huge fuss about it being open-source, I just install it and it works. (Obviously I don't install stuff I don't trust, that's just dumb, as on Windows or Mac)[/quote] They shouldn't IMO, but that's the entire point of linux and it's why everything on linux is convoluted a f. [quote]Please find decent evidence to back up your argument, or don't bother trying to argue.[/quote] Im not gonna boot up ubuntu so I can screenshot all this shit. You and your pedantic bullshit can suck a cock.[/QUOTE] edit: But all this shit is my opinion about why Ubuntu is convoluted. The point is Ubuntu will never beat MS, or even OSX. Deal w/ it.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43124868]I've even installed some of the various start menu replacements for some customers and they still hate it because of start menu glitches/inconsistencies or because Metro still randomly pops up and interrupts them.[/QUOTE] What? I've been using 8(.1) as my primary OS since January, and I've never had Metro "randomly pop up", nor have I had any issues with Start8 (never had to touch Metro), when I used it.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892]Duly noted There is SUCH THING, but I rarely see it used. That I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) has to be untarred through the command line There shouldn't have to be. In Windows you double click, in Mac you can drag the application to your applications folder. This is much easier for the average consumer and way more intuitive. a small appstore to give you a demo of what Ubuntu can do, but it's unfulfilling and largely pointless. They shouldn't IMO, but that's the entire point of linux and it's why everything on linux is convoluted a f. Im not gonna boot up ubuntu so I can screenshot all this shit. You and your pedantic bullshit can suck a cock.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] None of these things is true.

[QUOTE=Neddy;43123978]Tbh. Its not microsofts fault that people hate change. The operating itself is fast as hell and has alot of improvements from windows 7. The UI is the only reason it isn't selling when it takes roughly 5-10 minutes to get use to. People just need to get use to the change. It isn't necessary hard to learn how to use metro at all.[/QUOTE] They're the ones selling a product, they're the ones supposed to cater to customers, not the other way around. Also I'm not gonna shell out 120 bucks for just some performance improvements, especially when I have no issues with Win7's performance. I simply have no reason to change and I'm not gonna change for change's sake and I'd bet a lot of people are on the same boat as me and that is the main reason for poor sales, not the UI, although it probably does contribute.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892]Duly noted [/QUOTE] And so it should be. [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] There is SUCH THING, but I rarely see it used. [/QUOTE] Really? I find a lot of the software I download has either a .run or a .deb extension. [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] That I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) has to be untarred through the command line [/QUOTE] While this example is a .deb file, this also handles .tar/.gz/.7z/etc files. [img]http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/dbda0b769ad866773c22f4612ace3b72.png[/img] [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] There shouldn't have to be. In Windows you double click, in Mac you can drag the application to your applications folder. This is much easier for the average consumer and way more intuitive. [/QUOTE] Not every single piece of software is going to install itself for the user. That's just life, not everything is easy. [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] a small appstore to give you a demo of what Ubuntu can do, but it's unfulfilling and largely pointless. [/QUOTE] In some cases, yes, that's what the internet is for. [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] They shouldn't IMO, but that's the entire point of linux and it's why everything on linux is convoluted a f. [/QUOTE] Your point is [I]still[/I] invalid. What has open-source software got to do with whether users would want to use the operating system? [QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892] Im not gonna boot up ubuntu so I can screenshot all this shit. You and your pedantic bullshit can suck a cock.[/QUOTE] Good for you, but why did I need to know this?

Yeah might skip Vista 2 then and wait for Win9 which should hopefully follow the XP and 7 pattern of every second OS is fucking amazing

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124894]What? I've been using 8(.1) as my primary OS since January, and I've never had Metro "randomly pop up", nor have I had any issues with Start8 (never had to touch Metro), when I used it.[/QUOTE] Just what I've heard from them, they never actually told me specific things they did that caused it to happen. I only had it happen a couple of times in the VM when trying to open IE, other than that, no idea.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124932]Really? I find a lot of the software I download has either a .run or a .deb extension. While this example is a .deb file, this also handles .tar/.gz/.7z/etc files. [img]http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/dbda0b769ad866773c22f4612ace3b72.png[/img] [/quote] Exactly. Look at that. What the fuck IS that? You think Grandpa Joe is gonna look at that and go "YUP THAT MAKES SENSE". [quote]Not every single piece of software is going to install itself for the user. That's just life, not everything is easy.[/quote] No; that's LINUX. On Windows and Mac, it all installs itself. And it's easy too! That's why everybody uses it. [quote]In some cases, yes, that's what the internet is for.[/quote] But the basic formula for using ANYTHING on windows has remained the same (except when 8 fucked it up with the metro menu): Double click to run and install shit. Simple. No further instruction needed. [quote]Your point is [I]still[/I] invalid. What has open-source software got to do with whether users would want to use the operating system?[/quote] Before I address this, I'd just like to point out the fact that your choice of words when arguing makes you sound like a huge nerd. Anyways, since the entire system is aimed at enabling the open-source movement, having to compile everything really fucks with user accessibility. I personally hate OSX, but I can see why people would rather use a mac than something as fucking complicated as Linux. I understand its appeal towards people who spend all their times with computers, but for normal human beings, linux (even the pretty-looking ubuntu) is foreign to most people. [quote]Good for you, but why did I need to know this?[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ the way you talk makes you sound like a virgin [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting" - Gurant))[/highlight]

Hey man, if you're building all of your software, you're either running Gentoo or you're doing it wrong. And the Ubuntu Software Centre ISN'T an app store, it's a frontend for the software that installs, updates, and manages the packages on your machine. Admittedly, it isn't a very good one (I prefer Linux Mint for this reason), but if you're going to ignore it completely it just looks like you didn't put the effort in to learn how to use your OS, then went and complained about it not being user-friendly.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43124892]...stuff about linux...[/QUOTE] Your post is full of shit. Every application the normal user would need is covered in the software manager, two clicks and you're set.

[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;43125034]Your post is full of shit. Every application the normal user would need is covered in the software manager, two clicks and you're set.[/QUOTE] But then say you want to use it for something other than a facebook machine. Quite a reasonable request isn't it? but the only software you can find for it is some obscure tar.gz that require some command line shit to do. the average human being would give up, eventually realize that a LOT of linux is like this, and then fucking quit and get a more user-friendly operating system.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43125024] But the basic formula for using ANYTHING on windows has remained the same (except when 8 fucked it up with the metro menu): Double click to run and install shit. Simple. No further instruction needed.[/QUOTE] It's the exact same under Ubuntu. Open up the Software center, find what you want to install with the search, and click install. Simple. No further instruction needed. If you honestly expect everything to work the exact same as on windows you're just being deliberately obtuse. EDIT: My automerge