Good job MS, you stabed yourself again: An Absolutely Terrifying Chart For Windows 8 sales - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proboardslol;43125343]no thats you[/QUOTE] PFFFTTT[I]TTTTT[/I]HAHAHHAAA Okay, you got me, 6/10, you had me going. Bravo, 10 points to Slytherin.

Honestly, imo, the complaining about 8 is annoying. However, I totally understand and believe, that if you are running 7 don't upgrade, because the features aren't worth the price. If you get stuck in a position where you physically need a new copy of windows, Get 8 and either adjust to metro or replace it. Personally I've been running 8 for over a year now, and I don't want to go back. When I was deciding a few weeks back whether I wanted 7 or 8 for my new computer, 7 was only tempting for the 40 or 50 dollars that I would save, but I pick 8 anyway,

[QUOTE=Frankiscool!;43125354]Most of our clients still use XP with 10~ year old desktops. Their world is about to be turned upside down when microsoft cuts support next year.[/QUOTE] XP won't stop working in April of 2014, just like Windows 98 didn't stop working in 2006. XP hasn't had major Microsoft support in a good while now, mostly being limited to security fixes. I think XP might have secret updates after official support ends because Microsoft is still pushing the "Windows POS Ready 2009" platform for point of sale systems, which uses Windows XP as a base.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43124255]I don't give a shit if it takes 5-10 minutes to "get used to it" My workflow will [I]never[/I] be the same and will ultimately suffer because I've been using non-metro type interfaces since before I could walk. The performance increases, from what I've seen, are ultimately negligible. A couple seconds here, some milliseconds there, forced vsync, another user in this thread shared his complaints of a different sound subsystem and shoddy firewire support. Metro should have been an [I]option.[/I] Period. Forcing it down the throats of every single consumer who touches it will be the death of W8.[/QUOTE] no one is forcing you to buy windows 8

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;43126103]no one is forcing you to buy windows 8[/QUOTE] Except if you're buying a new computer.

[quote]stabed[/quote]

i like windows 8 on my (approximately) $1000 gaming desktop metro isn't that bad. I prefer it to the old start menu, mainly because new programs either don't automatically insert themselves at the top, pushing more useful things off, or insert themselves to the far right where i never look anyways

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43125992]XP won't stop working in April of 2014, just like Windows 98 didn't stop working in 2006. XP hasn't had major Microsoft support in a good while now, mostly being limited to [B]security fixes.[/B] I think XP might have secret updates after official support ends because Microsoft is still pushing the "Windows POS Ready 2009" platform for point of sale systems, which uses Windows XP as a base.[/QUOTE] Thats not my point... Bolded what im most scared about for my clients, and my main point to get them to upgrade... They just last weekish discovered a major security hole that was very recently discovered. What else has not been taken advantage of yet? How many producers of mal-ware/viruses are just waiting for april to roll around and unleash their flagship XP virus? Sure anti-viruses help, but everyone knows that no anti-virus is perfect. Calling it right now, running XP after the april dead line and using it as your main internet/work/email computer will be like walking through a mine field blind folded.

Isn't this why they kinda just ninja'd Windows 7 silently off the shelves of their digital store?

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43124532] Yeah, but Ubuntu is an awful example of a Linux distro to use. Nevertheless, you're right. It's becoming far easier, as more developers are supporting Linux.[/QUOTE] Ubuntu's probably the best example IMHO. Super simple to use, built in 'app store' sort of thing and cloud stuff, compatible with 99% of the new proprietary software for Linux (Other distros have to use workarounds to get them to work like the AUR).

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;43124136]I have a touchscreen laptop with W8 which I don't mind for the most part, but, secure boot needs to go fuck itself[/QUOTE] All Secureboot x86 PC's are forced to have the option to disable Secureboot as required by Microsoft, so I don't see how anyone can possibly have a problem with that.

windows 8 was the update no one wanted but they made anyways

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43123967]I love how they discontinued it because they wanted more W8 sales.[/QUOTE] Just wait soon they will announce Halo 3 for Windows 8 exclusive! Only for there to be a giant work-about and shut down the multiplayer soon after!

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43123956]I feel the opposite. I love the metro menu. I could never turn back to the start menu.[/QUOTE] i hate metro AND the start menu, especially vista and 7s [I]stupid[/I] single column menu. i put all of my non-game shortcuts onto my desktop and all my games shortcuts into a folder on my desktop. doing it like this is much nicer than doing it with either metro or the start menu. i have absolutely no need for metro and unlike the start menu it gets in the way. it seems every new version of windows makes things harder for people who know what theyre doing, but at least with 7 you could customise most of it to be the way it used to be. (theres still a lot of shit in 7 that annoys me too and i cant fix, like how icons pinned to the taskbar expand into buttons when you click on them, so if you want to have another instance of that program running you have to right click it and fuck around with the menu) [B]Edit:[/B] actually i literally just discovered that you can, with a bit of fucking around get the old quick launch toolbar back BUT im still annoyed that there wasnt a more obvious way to do it

[QUOTE=Neddy;43123978]Tbh. Its not microsofts fault that people hate change. The operating itself is fast as hell and has alot of improvements from windows 7. The UI is the only reason it isn't selling when it takes roughly 5-10 minutes to get use to. People just need to get use to the change. It isn't necessary hard to learn how to use metro at all.[/QUOTE] Any savvy user will have no problem navigating Metro. However getting used to it =/= pleasant to use. I and many others prefer the tried and true start menu. Can we navigate Metro? Sure. Doesn't mean we like it.

Windows 7 was actually supposed to be the tablet friendly PC, that's why the task bar is different and they added a "better" virtual keyboard, but then they forgot about the app space, that's where I think MS fucked up I mean I'm not pointing this to usability, in fact I couldn't fucking care if you guys hate metro because that's your view and i respect that, Microsoft isn't selling a lot of copies of W8 because there's no apps or big apps for you to switch and they're coming in late The only reason i see why metro was put on desktop PC's was to increase how many people have the OS, which attracts developers, the more your OS has the better, but developers knew that the majority of users on Windows 8 are people who use it with a keyboard and mouse, not tablet owners Same shit with Windows Phone, it's slowly getting better but not much attraction, that's why iOS and Android devices fly off shelves because it has a lot of attraction, especially Android in the last 2 years has got really better because Google has been making it work faster and App developers aren't straight porting their apps from iOS to Android anymore which makes for a greater experience But I'm getting off topic, Microsoft was too slow and too stupid, people weren't going to be fooled easy

[QUOTE=gk99;43123970]It's funny because they just ended Windows 7 retail sales[/QUOTE] OEM sales are still going for another year, I've always bought OEM because its so much cheaper. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Flazer210;43127089]Isn't this why they kinda just ninja'd Windows 7 silently off the shelves of their digital store?[/QUOTE] Microsoft always stop selling the previous OS in retail one year after the new OS is released, and two years after for OEM version. It really should've been in October.

The only reason Windows is still alive is because of backwards compatibility and vendor lock-in. It's bringing its own demise.

[QUOTE=Frankiscool!;43126958]Thats not my point... Bolded what im most scared about for my clients, and my main point to get them to upgrade... They just last weekish discovered a major security hole that was very recently discovered. What else has not been taken advantage of yet?[/QUOTE] Known security exploits shouldn't be feared because you know what they are and have the ability to defend against them. The ones you should be worried about are the unknowns that haven't been published because they haven't been found, or only a few people have found and aren't willing to share because they want a free ride as long as possible. The latter are going to be present in every OS, not just Windows XP. [QUOTE=Frankiscool!;43126958]How many producers of mal-ware/viruses are just waiting for april to roll around and unleash their flagship XP virus?[/QUOTE] Win Antivirus 20xx gets a new version every year, and dozens of offshoots, it's to be expected. [QUOTE=Frankiscool!;43126958]Sure anti-viruses help, but everyone knows that no anti-virus is perfect.[/QUOTE] That's why you have an upstream appliance on the network running snort and other anal security measures to minimize the risk to downstream machines. Calling it right now, running XP after the april dead line and using it as your main internet/work/email computer will be like walking through a mine field blind folded.[/QUOTE] Sure, if you're going to sketchy porn sites or downloading questionable files. This is why you give your clients general beatings when they do something like download comet cursor.

I exclusively use Windows for gaming, so the differences between each operating system don't really make much of a difference to me. Boot time seemed a lot faster on Windows 8, which was nice because I just go straight to Steam. I'm glad to see it's selling less though, purely for the millions of people that could browse the internet, check email etc., for a fraction of the price with a Chromebook or a laptop with linux.

I like the new start menu, the old one looks dated and dull as fuck now. Compare this: (not my pic) [img]http://lee-soft.com/vistart/Start-Menu.jpg[/img] to this (click to enlarge): [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19296530/Things/Images%20of%20other%20stuff/newstart.png[/t]

It's an operating system that was clearly designed around the mobile platform and shoved onto a home PC. It loses functionality and efficiently for appeal and simplicity, which does not work. Hopefully Microsoft realizes they had it right with 7 and return to the existing standard and evolve it, but not replace it. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=343N;43130798]I like the new start menu, the old one looks dated and dull as fuck now. [/QUOTE] I get what they were going for and I agree in a way that the start menu needs an update, but the execution as a whole was very poor. Remember that they were going to take away the start menu [i]entirely[/i] and you're looking at what probably helped raise sales to their current levels anyway.

[QUOTE=343N;43130798]I like the new start menu, the old one looks dated and dull as fuck now. Compare this: (not my pic) *pic of traditional start menu* to this (click to enlarge): *pic of metro start screen*[/QUOTE] I prefer the start menu when using a computer with a mouse and keyboard. The mouse is a precise input device, the two work together perfectly. Not to mention its easier to digest information when its condensed. Also, a better comparison would be this: [IMG]http://lee-soft.com/vistart/Start-Menu.jpg[/IMG] vs this: [IMG]http://puu.sh/5EK5H[/IMG] since you are comparing the all programs list.

[QUOTE=winsanity;43131822]I prefer the start menu when using a computer with a mouse and keyboard. The mouse is a precise input device, the two work together perfectly. Not to mention its easier to digest information when its condensed. Also, a better comparison would be this: [IMG]http://lee-soft.com/vistart/Start-Menu.jpg[/IMG] vs this: [IMG]http://puu.sh/5EK5H[/IMG] since you are comparing the all programs list.[/QUOTE] I don't use the mouse at all to launch programs. Its just too slow imo. Much faster to type. But maybe that's just the Linux shell user in me. :v:

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43125209][url]https://www.youtube.com/user/OsFirstTimer[/url][/QUOTE] Aha. I WISH people were as smart as that mom. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] Er, mum. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] mumsies.

Hopefully Mac or Linux picks up the slack. I'd happily use either, assuming most popular tools were rewritten.

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43126543]Except if you're buying a new computer.[/QUOTE] buying a new computer? what ?

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;43133658]buying a new computer? what ?[/QUOTE] You buy a new computer, its gonna have W8. Literally nothing you can do about that except wax it when you get home.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;43123847]See, this is what I said in the other thread about Windows.[/QUOTE] Look - the reason adoption is so relatively low isn't that people don't want to switch, but because the prebought PC market is massively declining across pretty much all but hardware segments. People aren't buying new machines, be they windows, linux or OSx. There no drive to switch to linux because there isn't a drive to switch to anything currently. If the hardware adoption was as strong as during win7 release you'd see a much bigger OS adoption as well. [QUOTE=chimitos;43132332]Hopefully Mac or Linux picks up the slack. I'd happily use either, assuming most popular tools were rewritten.[/QUOTE] If I recall apple had a huge reduction in Macbook and imac sales as well.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;43123856]I like how there's all this damn market research, but it doesn't take a moron to realize that for the average person, Windows 8 is not worth $100+ when they already have Windows 7.[/QUOTE] I didn't get Vista because XP was just fine. Sure XP didn't support the new fancy DX10 but almost nothing used it at the time, and the things that did supported DX9 anyway. Windows 7 was a worthy upgrade from XP I strongly doubt 8 is worth $100 to upgrade from 7