Good job MS, you stabed yourself again: An Absolutely Terrifying Chart For Windows 8 sales - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nagachief;43144770]Considering I had to grab a new OS recently (new CPU/Mobo, and too lazy to deal with MS support for 6+ hours to try and reclaim my 7 key) I went with Win 8. I had to grab classic shell since it just isn't comfortable on a desktop. (On my tablet PC Metro UI is great) The difference between 7 and 8 for me was like night and day in terms of performance. (though I also DID just get new hardware, but the hardware was tailored for Win8 in the first place) Also very important tip for anyone with Windows 8: Any time you install new hardware, discharge your RAM. (Unplug PSU, wait for a few minutes, plug it back up and power on) Otherwise you'll be faced with unusable USB ports or a failed boot until you discharge. This is because Windows 8 never actually powers off your mobo, there is always enough power to keep the volitile memory in your RAM in tact as Windows 8 stores as much system drivers and services in memory as possible to ensure the fastest boot possible. It pretty much makes having an SSD a moot point if you have 12+ GB of RAM.[/QUOTE] No. Fast boot saves the kernel and driver state to your drive, then shuts down your computer. Its basically hibernate, minus user space data. So it does in fact completely power off your machine so there's nothing in RAM. Now you DO need to shutdown normally or reboot if you want certain hardware to be detected. That much is true.

[QUOTE=lordofdafood;43144369]A guy in my house was anti windows 8 but he needed to reinstall his pc. I set him a challenge of using win 8 without anything like "start 8" for 2 hours. End result is that is likes the os and prefers it over 7. Anyone who is bashing on 8 without testing it for 2 hours without using a start menu replacement can't really complain[/QUOTE] I used it for a week before re-installing 7.

I'm shocked people are still so hostile against 8, and even more shocked that they keep pointing their fingers at Metro. The only argument I can agree with is it's not worth the full price for an upgrade from 7.

I think the UI change was far too drastic, its why i didn't want to adopt at all. It looks really awkward to navigate.

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;43148482]I think the UI change was far too drastic, its why i didn't want to adopt at all. It looks really awkward to navigate.[/QUOTE] If you're talking about Metro, then you use Metro 5% of the time, and even the, I can't comprehend any confusion you'd receive. In my case, 0%, because I have Windows 8 set to boot straight to desktop. If you're talking about the desktop, you'll hate to elaborate, because it's nigh identical to Windows 8.

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;43148482]I think the UI change was far too drastic, its why i didn't want to adopt at all. It looks really awkward to navigate.[/QUOTE] It's really not. People give Metro a lot of flak despite never actually using it, which is the equivalent of a child saying he hates tomatoes despite never eating one. You click one button and it's back to pretty much the same old Windows. Though maybe I'm a little bias since I've more or less been working with it for quite a while since Zune was more or less prototyping Metro. We even get the start button back now with 8.1. However, 8.1 broke my Catalyst Control Center and that was annoying to fix.

[QUOTE=Demache;43147803]No. Fast boot saves the kernel and driver state to your drive, then shuts down your computer. Its basically hibernate, minus user space data. So it does in fact completely power off your machine so there's nothing in RAM. Now you DO need to shutdown normally or reboot if you want certain hardware to be detected. That much is true.[/QUOTE] So then explain why after shutting down normally, installing new hardware, and powering on it wouldn't detect my USBs without discharging the RAM?

[QUOTE=nagachief;43158357]So then explain why after shutting down normally, installing new hardware, and powering on it wouldn't detect my USBs without discharging the RAM?[/QUOTE] Are you absolutely sure you shut down normally? You have to be pretty explicit to Windows 8 that you want to do so. The command is like "shutdown /s /t 0". Although you can disable fast boot altogther in the power options. As far as I know, I can shut down with fast boot enabled, unplug my computer, hold the power button, install a PCIe card, turn it back on, and it will still need me to do a full reboot to recognize it because as far as the kernel is concerned, the card doesn't exist. I know, because this because it happened to me when I installed a TV tuner. The whole point of hibernation (which is what fast boot uses) is to restore the RAM how it was even if you lose power to the system.

I want Windows XP Professional 2014. Something that doesn't have too much but has all the compatibility to get everything I want. (DirectX 9-11)

The UI isn't intuitive enough.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;43124071]It's easy to adjust to if you're already tech savvy. I wouldn't expect my grandma who still runs a 1024x768 monitor with XP and a Pentium 4 to be able to navigate Windows 8.[/QUOTE] Yeah lets adapt to having to click more to get to the programs you want to.

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

[QUOTE=Civil;43168625]Yeah lets adapt to having to click more to get to the programs you want to.[/QUOTE] Exactly how do you have to click more to get to your programs? I just click the start button and then I have access to 44 programs on my start screen, which compares rather well with what the old start menu could hold. Alternatively I just right click the start button, if I need to use something like disc management. Sure, the "All Apps" screen sucks right now, but you don't have to "click more" to gain acess to your programs - actually I'd argue it's the other way around.

I used Windows 8 for thirteen months (from the first week of its release until a few days ago) and just couldn't get used to it or like it. I'm back on Windows 7 now. If I had a smartphone or touch screen then Windows 8 would be better probably but for a regular PC with a mouse I like Windows 7. I was honestly trying to like W8 and get used to it and that's why I took a long time to switch back to W7.