YIFY/ YTS shuts down forever - the end of a piracy icon: Popular torrent release group YIFY and its
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[QUOTE=Banandana;49030090]Would you feel better about it if I started throwing around bitrates and speedtest results so you feel more at ease?[/QUOTE]
I'd feel better if you stop posting forever.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49030020]okay, so dont download yify rips then. thats the whole dang point. the low quality rips are for ppl with low quality internet, or ppl looking for a quick download. the existence of low quality rips doesnt prohibit you from consuming higher quality content.
how is this even a thing? why is it such a problem that someone makes a quick and lazy rip for people that want a smaller file size? literally nobody is forcing you to download it lol. it serves its purpose for the intended demographic -- and youre not in that demographic.[/QUOTE]
It would make more sense if the things they release aren't also constantly upscaled unnecessarily, etc etc it really doesn't seem like great quality and I don't know, in this day and age, 1-2gb isn't really anything. I guess if you're really annoyed at whiny kids pretentiously talking about quality of downloaded content, you might be too busy to have the foresight to download things ahead of time.
You guys are arguing over small rips that you aren't paying for. For the price of free, you could get so much worse.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49030122]It would make more sense if the things they release aren't also constantly upscaled unnecessarily, etc etc it really doesn't seem like great quality and I don't know, in this day and age, 1-2gb isn't really anything. I guess if you're really annoyed at whiny kids pretentiously talking about quality of downloaded content, [B]you might be too busy to have the foresight to download things ahead of time.[/B][/QUOTE]
haha are you actually serious? it takes me about an hour and a half to download a gigabyte on days where my internet is running fast. that means youre talking about a 2-3 hour wait if i download a 2gb file. if i start to download a movie, i wont be watching it until the next day, at the earliest, because i have to sleep and work too. i have [b]*literally*[/b] no option but to download things ahead of time. low quality rips are great because i can download them in less than a day. if i started downloading 10 gb files, i would be waiting about a week (it took me two weeks to download a 15 gb file). thats all assuming my net doesnt die in the process and screw up the download. the fact you assume that my internet can even allow me to download things on a whim shows just how much you overestimate the quality i live with. stop telling me how and what i should download, because you clearly dont understand what im working with here, and if youre lucky, you never will.
[editline]1st November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=megafat;49030167]You guys are arguing over small rips that you aren't paying for. For the price of free, you could get so much worse.[/QUOTE]
i didnt realize that you cant discuss the quality of something just because its free
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49030209]i didnt realize that you cant discuss the quality of something just because its free[/QUOTE]
I'm talking more expectations than anything.
I've also encountered some pretty atrocious free products.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49030209]haha are you actually serious?[/QUOTE]
Nah, if you read the post right below yours, my seemingly unwarranted comment will make more sense. It wasn't directed at you <3
[QUOTE=Banandana;49030261]Nah, if you read the post right below yours, my seemingly unwarranted comment will make more sense. It wasn't directed at you <3[/QUOTE]
oh my bad. i thought the whole thing was targeted at me since you quoted my post
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49027764]they were far from fine. if the audio quality is so bad that you have to choose between not hearing dialogue and waking up your whole fucking neighborhood when something loud happens, the quality really can't get much worse than that. not to mention the video quality was often not as good as if you were to just stream the movie on some shoddy youtube of piracy website in 720p. there was no reason for it to be that bad. as has been stated numerous times in this thread, they could have done a much better job without increasing the filesize.
[editline]1st November 2015[/editline]
that's not true about .FLAC. if a .FLAC is ripped directly from vinyl, even on a modest sound system the difference is enormous compared to a 320 KB/s mp3. I have a song in my library which I'd been listening to for years in MP3 form, when I got the discography of the artist in FLAC I found out there was a nylon string bass being used in the song that literally couldn't be heard in the mp3 version because the frequency was too low. that being said, it doesn't make any difference on poorly produced, heavily compressed music (basically everything from the 80s) for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]
I never had audio issues, the quality was always fine for 720p & 1080p so maybe you need to check your monitors and your speakers for issues?
I'll never complain of something that I'm getting for free. I know of the whole "if someone gives you a burger and puts a shit on it, you can't complain cause it's free" argument, but that doesn't work here. You had the choice of whether or not you were going to pirate from yify, you can easily say 'no' to the shit covered burger. The proof with Yify was that everyone still came back for the free burger
* not directed at above quote.
Whenever something like this happens, everyones sure quick to judge their actions and what they did.
Hindsight and sitting behind a computer sure helps with that, if you guys can do a better job, instead of criticizing, you try doing what they did. I strongly doubt any of you can.
Actually most of the content of those private movie trackers are put together by its users. Don't overestimate the work it takes to mess with video; most of it is raw number crunching and frame processing, which is done by the processor.
[editline]2nd November 2015[/editline]
As an added bonus I'd probably opt not to mislead people by upscaling the encode because stretching a 720p image to 1080 and calling it 1080 is like the shit Sony did with Killzone leading to their class action lawsuit. It's funny because people here criticized the shit out of Sony for it yet here we upscale the video so we can claim it as something it's not. Hell, people are even praising them for doing such an excellent job.
Anyone can take a DVD, rip it, and encode it. You'd need to spend a marginal amount of effort at that point not to fuck it up like they would do.
People suspect that their releases are in many cases just transcodes of other groups' releases. They'd take an existing encode, upscale it, transcode that (decaying quality that much more) to create their YIFY release and throw it around like their 1080 was hot shit and they're the first to have 1080.
If you like YIFY, that's cool. I just don't see how they did anything worthy of praise if they're using shitty practices and being purposefully deceptive, possibly ripping off existing groups.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49032049]As an added bonus I'd probably opt not to mislead people by upscaling the encode because stretching a 720p image to 1080 and calling it 1080 is like the shit Sony did with Killzone leading to their class action lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
A bit unrelated to the quality debate going on here but, the class action lawsuit was because they advertised 1080p 60 FPS, which they didn't really do.
But if you read the whitepapers, their upscaling isn't anything at all like upscaling a movie:
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In the game they're rendering at a sub-1080 resolution and anti aliasing to make the upscale less noticeable. In the encodes they're upscaling, applying filters, and compressing the resulting frames which while not completely similar, is still similar in concept.
The last image of that PowerPoint also looks an awful lot like interlacing video so I'll have to disagree with that claim that it's nothing like upscaling movies. In both cases, you're manipulating frame data to squeeze as much as you can get out of it via interpolation and other techniques.
I can see kind of where the differences lie between the lawsuit and the encodes but my point is that there'd be a massive shitstorm if a corporate entity tried to do this. That and people tend to not enjoy being misled.
Edit: did some more reading on Killzone from [url]https://www.killzone.com/de_CH/blog/news/2014-03-06_regarding-killzone-shadow-fall-and-1080p.html[/url]
Looks like they use a fancy method of tracking pixel movements to predict what the next frame's pixels might be, rendering the reference frames below the 1080p resolution. It seems like a method of interpolating pixel movement based on data from the various shaders. Yeah the final result was a 1080 image but it wasn't rendered at 1080 throughout the pipeline which is what most people had issues with.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49032175]In the game they're rendering at a sub-1080 resolution and anti aliasing to make the upscale less noticeable. In the encodes they're upscaling, applying filters, and compressing the resulting frames which while not completely similar, is still similar in concept.[/quote]
They're rendering at sub-1920x1080 resoloution (As their render buffer is 960x[I]1080[/I]) and are using reprojection and motion continuity (presumably from their motion blur buffer) to produce an output resolution of 1920x1080.
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The last image of that PowerPoint also looks an awful lot like interlacing video so I'll have to disagree with that claim that it's nothing like upscaling movies. In both cases, you're manipulating frame data to squeeze as much as you can get out of it via interpolation and other techniques.
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Interlacing is done at the signal level, the TV is fed the signal on a odd-even cycle, this method produces fully 1080p images to the display with negligible difference from having a 1920x1080 render buffer.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49032175]
I can see kind of where the differences lie between the lawsuit and the encodes but my point is that there'd be a massive shitstorm if a corporate entity tried to do this. That and people tend to not enjoy being misled.[/QUOTE]
That's fine, in regards to YIFY I'd prefer having good quality video and audio, it's scummy if they're simply upsampling (using some bilinear filter) and claiming 1080p.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49032204]They're rendering at sub-1920x1080 resoloution (As their render buffer is 960x[I]1080[/I]) and are using reprojection and motion continuity...[/QUOTE]
I'm on my phone so apologies about the formatting.
Yeah as I said about the Killzone resolution, yeah the result was a nice 1080 frame, but as you stated the internal rendering resolution for the 3D scene was not. To some people, the interpolation methods they used were perfectly valid, but I can't see it as valid. I could set up a 3D environment and have it render internally at a small resolution throughout the vertex and fragment shader, returning a pristine image of the scene at a smaller resolution. I could grab the data of the objects rendered and then scale and draw on top of the image what I believe might be there. Things I can't predict I simply shade and interpolate with neighbouring pixels.
The bottom line there is that while the resulting image is the promised resolution, had it been rendered internally at the proper size, the image would have more detail as it's not relying on predictions which may be inaccurate. The conclusion past this point is subjective and the ordeal isn't terribly related to the topic at hand so I'll leave it at that.
My original reason for mentioning it was because people felt shorted by the methods of projecting aka interpolating data in the game to achieve a higher resolution. In terms of video, the techniques might not be the same, but the concept of interpolating (scaling video requires interpolating data of course) is still there so I assumed (and still believe) my comparison was somewhat valid, although not completely apparent.
As far as interlacing goes, after reading up more on it, it doesn't seem as relevant as I had previously thought. One thing to note is that interlacing produces 1080 without the p. Progressive 60fps is not the same as interlaced 60fps according to a quick lookup on Google.
[editline]2nd November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=glitchvid;49032204]
That's fine, in regards to YIFY I'd prefer having good quality video and audio, it's scummy if they're simply upsampling (using some bilinear filter) and claiming 1080p.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much one of the main reasons I dislike YIFY. If you're being scummy and misleading people, I don't see how they deserve any respect or praise. That's a big part of why their releases are banned on sites like passthepopcorn.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49020295]Or maybe some people watch the movie for the movie's sake and not the location of every hair on the actors' faces nor hearing them smack their lips in perfect clarity[/QUOTE]
Someone is actually talking something that makes sense here, thank you!
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;49042051]Someone is actually talking something that makes sense here, thank you![/QUOTE]
That's totally cool except they're misadvising and/or ripping off actually respectable groups
[QUOTE=mr apple;49025723]You guys sure complain a lot over over mediocre shit, like their quality releases? They're fucking torrents, YIFY's torrents were fine, if you want to be able to utilize all your audio channels, how bout pay for the fucking movie?[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
YIFY was NEVER targeted towards quality-whores.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Banandana;49042082]That's totally cool except they're misadvising and/or ripping off actually respectable groups[/QUOTE]
Too bad.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49042121]Respectable
Pirate
pick one[/QUOTE]
They are only mutually exclusive on places like the pirate bay.
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;49042089]Too bad.[/QUOTE]
Too bad they shut down because they were absolute shit.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49042184]They are only mutually exclusive on places like the pirate bay.[/QUOTE]
lmao
They are groups dedicated to taking content from others without their permission and redistributing it, usually making some kind of money from advertising or donations in the process.
Hardly "respectable".
[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]
Are you fucks really arguing over the quality of your pirated content? You're already taking shit you have no actual right to be taking, shut the fuck up and deal with what you get. If you don't want to spin the "wheel of pixellation", then fucking buy it holy shit.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49020301]Are people really quality shaming here? That's just strange.[/QUOTE]
I'd say it would be unusual if people didn't say it was shit because someone can't notice 5% of loss in quality.
Someone's gotta complain or there'll be no reason to improve standards amirite
[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]
Jesus hexpunk I didn't realize you had such a problem with what people who have nothing to do with you are doing. Your post made me cum, euftgggfg Netflix and chill later bruh?
[QUOTE=Banandana;49042522]Someone's gotta complain or there'll be no reason to improve standards amirite
[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]
Jesus hexpunk I didn't realize you had such a problem with what people who have nothing to do with you are doing. Your post made me cum, euftgggfg Netflix and chill later bruh?[/QUOTE]
I've always been under the impression that pirates are the reason developers and studios try to shove their DRM dicks down everyone's throat which makes it harder for the rest of us who legally obtain their entertainment.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;49021321]yify is literally worse than DVD, aka 1998 quality
[IMG]https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0443/39/1411582830877.png[/IMG]
stop being quality shamers[/QUOTE]
oh god avatar looks dated already.
YIFY is saving this movie thanks to the quality masking the shading in the sleeve.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49042466]
Are you fucks really arguing over the quality of your pirated content? You're already taking shit you have no actual right to be taking, shut the fuck up and deal with what you get. If you don't want to spin the "wheel of pixellation", then fucking buy it holy shit.[/QUOTE]
lol i cant believe anyone actually thinks you cant discuss the quality of something just because its free. not only does the logic make no sense, but its pants on head retarded.
[QUOTE=Banandana;49042522]Jesus hexpunk I didn't realize you had such a problem with what people who have nothing to do with you are doing. Your post made me cum, euftgggfg Netflix and chill later bruh?[/QUOTE]
4 sure. always ready to binge on that netflix. then your asshole.
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with having a problem with piracy. There's even less wrong with having a problem with pirates who think they are somehow deserving of their content to not be pixellated hell.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49042959]lol i cant believe anyone actually thinks you cant discuss the quality of something just because its free. not only does the logic make no sense, but its pants on head retarded.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between actually free and "not paid for BUT IT'S NOT STEALING GUYS I SWEAR!!!"
You guys are arguing about res and bitrate, yet -for me- one of the biggest issues with their rips is that they didn't incorporate/use the newer [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding"]H.265 codec[/URL].
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49043352]4 sure. always ready to binge on that netflix. then your asshole.
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with having a problem with piracy. There's even less wrong with having a problem with pirates who think they are somehow deserving of their content to not be pixellated hell.
[editline]4th November 2015[/editline]
There's a difference between actually free and "not paid for BUT IT'S NOT STEALING GUYS I SWEAR!!!"[/QUOTE]
Most people definitely would prefer to steal nicer things for just about kind of stealing. Am I not allowed to tell someone they should have stolen a rolex when they stole a casio?
[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49043466]You guys are arguing about res and bitrate, yet -for me- one of the biggest issues with their rips is that they didn't incorporate/use the newer [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding"]H.265 codec[/URL].[/QUOTE]
265 beats the hell out of my Lynnfield Xeon.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49043492]Most people definitely would prefer to steal nicer things for just about kind of stealing. Am I not allowed to tell someone they should have stolen a rolex when they stole a casio?[/QUOTE]
Probably shouldn't be encouraging them, no. It'll just make shit worse for the rest of us who have to deal with various attempts at DRM to mitigate week 1 piracy.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49043492]265 beats the hell out of my Lynnfield Xeon.[/QUOTE]
What media player do you use? On MPC-HC you can have GPU decoding
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49043560]What media player do you use? On MPC-HC you can have GPU decoding[/QUOTE]
Running on my plex server.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49043352]
There's a difference between actually free and "not paid for BUT IT'S NOT STEALING GUYS I SWEAR!!!"[/QUOTE]
no one is making that argument so idk what your problem is, ppl are discussing the quality of various release groups and then people like you come in and say SHUT UP ITS FREE SO YOU DONT GET TO JUDGE lol
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