[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;51233414][t]http://i.imgur.com/UzTZWsw.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
it's a 5 year old game like calm down wow
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;51233512]As a primarily PC gamer:
Because PC ports have worked so well before.
[editline]20th October 2016[/editline]
Way to prove my point, which was:
Competitive [B]until[/B] the Gamecube.
Go look at N64 sales.
(DVD player was a feature, btw)[/QUOTE]
N64: 32.93 million.
PS1. 102.49 million.
Now, they lost that one because not adopting the CD format plus the stricter rules for making games made the PS1 very attractive, but still.
The N64 was beefier, but the PS1 had the CD quality audio, the FMVs, and such.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;51233512]As a primarily PC gamer:
Because PC ports have worked so well before.
[editline]20th October 2016[/editline]
Way to prove my point, which was:
Competitive [B]until[/B] the Gamecube.
Go look at N64 sales.
(DVD player was a feature, btw)[/QUOTE]
PC builds - almost unlimited configurations
Switch - two configurations
[QUOTE=massaki;51233533]it's a 5 year old game like calm down wow[/QUOTE]
Skyrim's a complete oddity. I knew so many people in college who only played the annual CoD and *sport* game, who for some reason explode in excitement every time Skyrim gets mentioned. It really appealed far outside it's intended audience for some reason, and those people LOVE it.
[QUOTE=massaki;51233533]it's a 5 year old game like calm down wow[/QUOTE]
"Skyrim on the go" and "Dark Souls on the go", even with them being old games, will have enough draw for them to get people to "switch" to Nintendo.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51233526]Okay? How many resolutions do PC games have to support? It really doesn't seem like a big deal. Develop for the higher resolution and downscale[/QUOTE]
Resolution is not the main point though, architecture is. You have on one side PC, XBOX and PS4 all sharing the same X86-64 architecture and on the other side you have Switch with their nVidia ARM chip. That's why i'm fearing this new Nintendo console still won't have any significant 3rd party support.
We could see on the other side, developers porting Android/iOS games to the switch though.
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;51233548]"Skyrim on the go" and "Dark Souls on the go", even with them being old games, will have enough draw for them to get people to "switch" to Nintendo.[/QUOTE]
But what madman wants to play an open-ended, large scale game like those on a handheld device?
:snip:
Misread.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;51233448]The Wii was a freak accident and people clearly learned their lesson after purchasing one and finding the only games worth playing were a couple Nintendo titles. Mine still sits unused to this day.
The NX won't attract the same retirement home buyer that made the Wii such a smash hit.[/QUOTE]
The wii sold amazingly because it was relatively cheap and it was fun. I brought mine to college and still use it to this day. People who say the motion controls are stupid have never popped in a game of "just dance" or "smash" and see the people come into your room. The wii was a casual console aimed at fun with others and it nailed it. And its obvious they are trying that approach again.
After more thought, I now realize there is little chance of this new console being natively backward compatible. The gamecube used a powerPC cpu, a wii got an upgraded powerpc cpu, which let it easily play gamecube, and then the wii u got an upgraded wii cpu, again under powerPC architecture, which let it easily do wii games. That is now no longer the case. The good news is that Nvidias solution is far easier to port to, unlike the wii u which was essentially a gamecube era cpu
How long until your screen gets completely scratch due to using the dock?
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;51233566]How long until your screen gets completely scratch due to using the dock?[/QUOTE]
do you think nintendo has no hardware designers who work to fix issues just like that
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;51233550]Resolution is not the main point though, architecture is. You have on one side PC, XBOX and PS4 all sharing the same X86-64 architecture and on the other side you have Switch with their nVidia ARM chip. That's why i'm fearing this new Nintendo console still won't have any significant 3rd party support.
We could see on the other side, developers porting Android/iOS games to the switch though.[/QUOTE]
Previous gens had 3 different architectures. That includes Cell, a proprietary nightmare
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;51233566]How long until your screen gets completely scratch due to using the dock?[/QUOTE]
Never because I assume Nintendo would be smart enough to idiot-proof the act of slotting it in.
I hope. Maybe put some rubber or something between the screen and the plastic.
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;51233566]How long until your screen gets completely scratch due to using the dock?[/QUOTE]
It's a capacitive glass one this time, the console itself will most likely be outdated by the time it gets "completely" scratched.
Pretty sure there will be glass screen protectors available from day 1 as well
[QUOTE=massaki;51233554]But what madman wants to play an open-ended, large scale game like those on a handheld device?[/QUOTE]
Me when I am taking a dump.
honestly this just seems like a custom nvidia shield
[QUOTE=massaki;51233554]But what madman wants to play an open-ended, large scale game like those on a handheld device?[/QUOTE]
Madman on a long road trip, train or air flight to a destination and want to kill time.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51233579]Previous gens had 3 different architectures. That includes Cell, a proprietary nightmare[/QUOTE]
That's what i'm saying. Look how bad Sony did with the PS3 in their first years because it was significantly harder to make games for the console.
I hate to use the word but the portability feels like a gimmick. Anyone seriously interested in mobile gaming with Nintendo games has a 3DS and unless they decide to release a pokemon game no one's going to buy it solely for its handheld capabilities. As a standalone console it's now overpriced and underpowered because of the portable features. So it does both in a mediocre way.
The portability is just really bizarre considering how Nintendo already has the handheld market tied up. I know this is in a different hardware class but I'm not so sure there's a big market for playing games like Skyrim or other non mobile oriented games on the go.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;51233612]That's what i'm saying. Look how bad Sony did with the PS3 in their first years because it was significantly harder to make games for the console.[/QUOTE]
That was because it was a new, proprietary, garbage architecture.
Tegra chips are ARM based, a well known, extremely popular architecture
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51233615]
The portability is just really bizarre considering how Nintendo already has the handheld market tied up. I know this is in a different hardware class but I'm not so sure there's a big market for playing games like Skyrim or other non mobile oriented games on the go.[/QUOTE]
I kinda wanna say this would be perfect for long distance trips like the guy jumping on the plane and playing. As much as I do love my 3DS library, I honestly can't play AC for more than 30 min, playing skyrim or something on a plane would be perfect.
Also was that an unreleased 3D mario game or am I just stupid?
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51233615]I hate to use the word but the portability feels like a gimmick. Anyone seriously interested in mobile gaming with Nintendo games has a 3DS and unless they decide to release a pokemon game no one's going to buy it solely for its handheld capabilities. As a standalone console it's now overpriced and underpowered because of the portable features. So it does both in a mediocre way.
The portability is just really bizarre considering how Nintendo already has the handheld market tied up. I know this is in a different hardware class but I'm not so sure there's a big market for playing games like Skyrim or other non mobile oriented games on the go.[/QUOTE]
I would and will buy it just for its handheld abilities.
I already have an extremely beefy PC, I don't need a standard console that has the same games that run worse lol
I'm definitely interested. I might finally get a console again if it holds up and isn't DOA like the WiiU.
[QUOTE=massaki;51233554]But what madman wants to play an open-ended, large scale game like those on a handheld device?[/QUOTE]
Something like Skyrim seems perfect to play on the go actually. Jump in, do a quest or two, kill some enemies, save your game and move on.
I'm so on board with this Nintendo Switch, want to preorder! But I wonder how and which games can be played mobile or sitting on a couch, or how much storage space there is etc. But the flexibility of it defiantly has my attention!
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51233596]honestly this just seems like a custom nvidia shield[/QUOTE]
Well it IS exactly that, they partnered with Nvidia to make it.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51233640]That was because it was a new, proprietary, garbage architecture.
Tegra chips are ARM based, a well known, extremely popular architecture[/QUOTE]
The thing is, this generation all major platforms use the same x86 architecture and we still have shitty ports on PC and and console, now imagine introducing a new, underpowered, RISC instead of CISC architecture and expecting developers to release all their AAA titles on both, they probably won't.
Like i said earlier, the only good thing i can see about them adopting ARM, is that ports from already existing mobile titles will be a pretty easy thing to do.
[QUOTE=da space core;51233562]The wii sold amazingly because it was relatively cheap and it was fun.[/quote]
If that was the case then the Wii U should have flown off shelves, but it was a failure. The Wii sold as well as it did because it was plastered all over morning talk shows and it appealed to a casual audience who thought modern consoles were too complicated. The thing you have to remember is the Wii came out in 2006 and since then the casual audience has moved of to smart phones and tablets and have no need for a box that only plays games and costs hundreds of dollars. The casual audience is fickle, who fucking knew?
[quote]I brought mine to college and still use it to this day. [B][/B]People who say the motion controls are stupid have never popped in a game of "just dance" or "smash" and see the people come into your room.[B][/B] The wii was a casual console aimed at fun with others and it nailed it. And its obvious they are trying that approach again.[/quote]
One, fuck off motion controls are garbage and it wasn't until the Wii Motion Plus that they were at a point that could be deemed acceptable. Two, as I said earlier the casual audience isn't there any more. There are already tons of ways for casual players to play games without buying a dedicated box.
It's the same reason steam machines failed. They're trying to cater to an in between audience that doesn't exist. If you're so casual that you're intimidated by a XBone or a PS4 a fucking Switch with removable parts is going to look like fucking rocket science, and if you're not then you have little reason to get a Switch over a Scorpio or a PS4 Pro. It was the same with the steam machines, either you're too casual to get into PC gaming and you stick to consoles or you take the plunge into the ride of insanity and compatibility issues.
[quote]After more thought, I now realize there is little chance of this new console being natively backward compatible. The gamecube used a powerPC cpu, a wii got an upgraded powerpc cpu, which let it easily play gamecube, and then the wii u got an upgraded wii cpu, again under powerPC architecture, which let it easily do wii games. That is now no longer the case. The good news is that Nvidias solution is far easier to port to, unlike the wii u which was essentially a gamecube era cpu[/QUOTE]
Since they showed off Splatoon fairly prominently in the reveal I imagine they'll just release new versions of their most popular Wii U games. But we can hope they went the extra mile and added some hardware so the Switch can run Wii U games.
The Switch looks really cool but I don't think it'll be a mega hit like the Wii was, but thanks to the fact that they have games lined up [i]before[/i] the console is releasing (rather than waiting a year like last time) and they don't have a fucking retarded name (there are people who [i]still[/i] don't know the Wii U is a console) I think it'll do pretty well. I know I'll be getting one.
[QUOTE=Dracon;51233262]the UI is different, as are the shader effects[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Also noticed player two was playing as King Boo.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51233719]If that was the case then the Wii U should have flown off shelves, but it was a failure. The Wii sold as well as it did because it was plastered all over morning talk shows and it appealed to a casual audience who thought modern consoles were too complicated. The thing you have to remember is the Wii came out in 2006 and since then the casual audience has moved of to smart phones and tablets and have no need for a box that only plays games and costs hundreds of dollars. The casual audience is fickle, who fucking knew?[/QUOTE]
Except the Wii U was a console that launched at something like $450 here, not far at all from the $500 an Xbone or PS4 costs. The Wii was significantly cheaper than its 'competitors'.
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And the pricing only got worse as time went on, a Wii U is currently $430 while I can get a PS4 Slim for $340 or an Xbone S for $380.
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