[QUOTE=Sparkwire;22337214]"most significant technological device of the 21st Century [b]to date[/b]"
you jest[/QUOTE]
It did change the whole cellphone market. It's not significant because it is so good, but because it influenced an enormous market.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22339606]Flash is faster than HTML5. Proven multiple times on multiple operating systems.[/QUOTE]
Durrr. HTML5 is an open standard, not an implementation.
And GPU acceleration is planned for all major web browsers.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22346767]I love how people claim apple are revolutionary with the app store and multi-tasking. The app store idea was ripped straight from the jailbreaking community, and multi tasking has been on previous phones for years.[/QUOTE]
It's plainly obvious that Apple intended iPhoneOS to install new apps from the beginning. I don't know why they didn't implement it until way after the release of the first iPhoneOS product, but if you know anything about iPhoneOS, you'd know that the intent was there from conception.
The very reason the jailbreaking community was able to add apps is because of the way Apple designed the OS to be able to support new apps. The underlying framework was already there, Apple just hadn't put it to any use yet.
The multitasking has been there from the beginning as well. All homescreen apps on all iPhoneOS devices will background, and will only be exited if the device needs to clear up some resources (but everything will still be just as you left it when you go back to the app, so it's like it never even closed anyway - safari might need to refresh the current page though, sometimes). It's just that App Store apps won't background, but they can very easily be made to do so.
Figures nobody who's against the iPhone actually had proof there are better phones.
Bunch of people talking out their ass.
Apple is a great company, I still hold that.
[QUOTE=DarkSpider;22350711]Figures nobody who's against the iPhone actually had proof there are better phones.
Bunch of people talking out their ass.[/QUOTE]
EVO 4G, Nexus One, HTC HD2, HTC Hero...
Are all of their touchscreens just as responsive? Without any bit of lag whatsoever, not counting the occasional processing hitch of course. As long as it's only like once every 24 hrs.
For the record I am not pro apple, I hate the iPhone's closed OS but I've yet to see a phone with a screen that can compare to it.
[QUOTE=DarkSpider;22352017]Are all of their touchscreens just as responsive? Without any bit of lag whatsoever, not counting the occasional processing hitch of course. As long as it's only like once every 24 hrs.
For the record I am not pro apple, I hate the iPhone's closed OS but I've yet to see a phone with a screen that can compare to it.[/QUOTE]
You aren't going to find anything else that you'll like as much as your iPhone. I guarantee this. I may not personally own every single touchscreen phone on the market, but I do know quite a few people who have quite a few different touchscreen phones, and all of them are gigantic pieces of shit that I'd never even consider paying for as long as iPhone exists.
Just jailbreak. It's really not that hard. Whatever problem you had before was your own fault, so of course you should do some research into not fucking things up again (ipodtouchfans.com), but it's really just as easy as downloading the new Spirit jailbreak, running the exe, and clicking a button, then you're all done.
Apple sells one iPad every three seconds.
Just gonna leave this here.
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But yes.[/QUOTE]
No. How about multicore processors instead you moron.
That's pretty interesting, I would never of thought it happened like that.
Every thread that contains words "Apple", "iPhone", "iPad"
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In every thread this happens.
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"Steve Jobs is a fag"
"iPhone sucks"
"Overpriced shit", etc.
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You are worse than the ignorant mac fanboys right now.
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Fighting over a computer with a touchscreen is stupid.
I tried an iPad out at Best Buy. It was pretty cool but I wouldn't buy it for the price they're asking for it.
[QUOTE=J Paul;22350303]The multitasking has been there from the beginning as well. All homescreen apps on all iPhoneOS devices will background, and will only be exited if the device needs to clear up some resources (but everything will still be just as you left it when you go back to the app, so it's like it never even closed anyway - safari might need to refresh the current page though, sometimes). It's just that App Store apps won't background, but they can very easily be made to do so.[/QUOTE]
No it hasn't not at all. As soon as I leave an app the process is killed, the only apps which don't are safari and mail.
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[QUOTE=J Paul;22350303]It's plainly obvious that Apple intended iPhoneOS to install new apps from the beginning. I don't know why they didn't implement it until way after the release of the first iPhoneOS product, but if you know anything about iPhoneOS, you'd know that the intent was there from conception.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sure, the framework was there to add app extensions but the actual concept of an app store? If they designed the iPhone for the app store then why wasn't it there at the beginning? I think apple were looking for a way to distribute apps, and found it with the jailbreaking community.
[QUOTE=J Paul;22339910]Normal computers require you to use different input devices and peripherals. You have to first learn to operate a keyboard, then a mouse.[/QUOTE]
Really? REALLY? That's your argument? That you have to learn to use a[I] mouse[/I]?
[QUOTE=DarkSpider;22352017]Are all of their touchscreens just as responsive? Without any bit of lag whatsoever, not counting the occasional processing hitch of course. As long as it's only like once every 24 hrs.
For the record I am not pro apple, I hate the iPhone's closed OS but I've yet to see a phone with a screen that can compare to it.[/QUOTE]
Just about every single Android phone in existence.
Of note; the Incredible, the Droid and the myTouch.
What happened to 'Normal Phones' that just had buttons and a normal screen? They lasted forever granted that you didn't act stupid with them and lob them down a toilet or something.
I've used a Motorola Droid. Its screen is noticeably laggy, but apparently android 2.2 addresses that. The HTC Incredible has the best touch screen of any android phone I've used and it comes pretty close to the iPhone. I am looking forward to seeing how the Droid shadow performs.
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[QUOTE=radioactive;22359716]What happened to 'Normal Phones' that just had buttons and a normal screen? They lasted forever granted that you didn't act stupid with them and lob them down a toilet or something.[/QUOTE]
They are still around, society just is losing interest in them, making smartphones have a larger market share.
The iPad never was a big iPhone, it was more like a big iPod Touch.
[QUOTE=Hmn30;22359483]Really? REALLY? That's your argument? That you have to learn to use a[I] mouse[/I]?[/QUOTE]
It may seem simple to you, but it isn't to some people. I'm sorry that you can't understand that not everyone on earth grew up with this kind of technology around.
Regardless, the point of it isn't that you have to learn to use it, it's that the input devices are separate from the device itself, and most other components are separate from each other. iPad is all-in-one. The screen does everything and is everything. The way in which you physically interact with the device itself is also an input mechanism, due to the accelerometer.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22359285]No it hasn't not at all. As soon as I leave an app the process is killed, the only apps which don't are safari and mail.
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Yeah sure, the framework was there to add app extensions but the actual concept of an app store? If they designed the iPhone for the app store then why wasn't it there at the beginning? I think apple were looking for a way to distribute apps, and found it with the jailbreaking community.[/QUOTE]
The apps which do not background do not need to background. Notes are automatically saved, calendar is automatically saved, your calculator's last actions are saved, etc. iPod, Safari, Mail, App Store, Youtube, and I think Maps all background for me on my iPod touch. I apologize if I am mistaken, but I am quite positive that I remember seeing all of those apps still in the list of running processes after loading them and exiting to springboard.
And yes, while they may have held back their content delivery system until much after the release of the products, I do not think they stole anything from the jailbreaking community. It probably just wasn't ready in time, and they wanted to make sure it was exactly what they wanted it to be before rolling it out.
You have to remember that this is the company who runs the iTunes store. They understand content delivery, and you can be damn sure they intended on delivering App content to these devices long before they were ever released. You really honestly think Apple was like "oh hey these guys have a great idea, we could make some money by selling people apps and allowing them to install them locally"? Come on. They've been selling people digital media since forever, there's no way they didn't design the thing from the ground up to get you to give them as much money as possible in the form of app purchases, in-app purchases, and media purchases. Implementation of on-device purchases was already there in the form of the iTunes music store, and unless everyone at Apple had their head up their ass 24/7, there was at least [i]some[/i] thought toward doing the same for apps.
Again, think about it. They absolutely fucking LOVE selling you media. And you're suggesting they just somehow forgot to try to sell you some media on their new products designed entirely around media. And that it took a third party content delivery system to remind them that hey, they LOVE selling media. Really?
[QUOTE=J Paul;22360829]Again, think about it. They absolutely fucking LOVE selling you media. And you're suggesting they just somehow forgot to try to sell you some media on their new products designed entirely around media. And that it took a third party content delivery system to remind them that hey, they LOVE selling media. Really?[/QUOTE]
A company that LOVE selling media, and yet they hadn't finished the app store for a whole year after the product was released? I understand that they sell media but it seems a bit far-fetched that a product, whos sole purpose is to have 3rd party apps, didn't have the software capable of doing so until a year later. That means development time was for the whole period of developing the iPhone PLUS a extra YEAR until after release. I just don't see it.
[QUOTE=DarkSpider;22350711]Figures nobody who's against the iPhone actually had proof there are better phones.
Bunch of people talking out their ass.[/QUOTE]
Blackberry Bold 9700...
The iPhone is cool if you like to think you are making other people think that you are cool...
The one thing that put me off of the iPhone is, surprise, the interface.
I have seen so many people who download all these great apps, but when they want to use one or show one off to me I have to wait 10 minutes for them to swipe through 40 different menu screens back and forth back and forth back and forth until they can find what they want.
Also, it depends on what you use your phone for obviously. The iPhone just wasn't practical for me.
If that doesn't do it for you, how about I use battery life then.
I can go a week without charging my Blackberry. That is while using the thing, not just on standby.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22360987]A company that LOVE selling media, and yet they hadn't finished the app store for a whole year after the product was released? I understand that they sell media but it seems a bit far-fetched that a product, whos sole purpose is to have 3rd party apps, didn't have the software capable of doing so until a year later. That means development time was for the whole period of developing the iPhone PLUS a extra YEAR until after release. I just don't see it.[/QUOTE]
iTunes came before the iTunes Store. Two years before.
I'm not saying I find it perfectly normal that it took them so long to do it, and I do agree that it was a pretty dumb move to be so slow about it, but that's just what Apple seems to do.
The reason I think the idea of adding new apps to the device wasn't anything new is simply due to the design of Springboard itself. It simply looks for applications in a folder. There's no pre-set limit, and that's what really gets me. Normally with a device like this, especially one that you intended to lock down and didn't consider expanding, there would be some kind of imposed limit somewhere. Or a system that only loads apps that they intend to load. But, it's just not that way. If it's in the folder, and the springboard properly recognizes it as an app, it will be displayed, and this means everything to my argument. If Springboard itself doesn't convince you, then that's cool, we just have a difference of opinion and neither of us work for Apple so we will never know for sure anyway.
[QUOTE=J Paul;22361127]The reason I think the idea of adding new apps to the device wasn't anything new is simply due to the design of Springboard itself. It simply looks for applications in a folder. There's no pre-set limit, and that's what really gets me. Normally with a device like this, especially one that you intended to lock down and didn't consider expanding, there would be some kind of imposed limit somewhere. Or a system that only loads apps that they intend to load. But, it's just not that way. If it's in the folder, and the springboard properly recognizes it as an app, it will be displayed, and this means everything to my argument. If Springboard itself doesn't convince you, then that's cool, we just have a difference of opinion and neither of us work for Apple so we will never know for sure anyway.[/QUOTE]
All it shows is that they wanted the software to be easily expandable, it doesn't say anything on the point of whether or not they wanted to make an app store. It might be enough proof for you, but it just doesn't cut it for me.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22361194]All it shows is that they wanted the software to be easily expandable, it doesn't say anything on the point of whether or not they wanted to make an app store. It might be enough proof for you, but it just doesn't cut it for me.[/QUOTE]
I understand your position, and respect your opinion. However, I'll at least give it one more go: You admit that there is enough evidence to demonstrate that they wanted the software to be easily expandable, yes? And you also know that Apple likes money, because hell, everyone likes money, correct? Furthermore, they clearly have a strong background in content delivery. So, from these three points, is it not logical to assume that they would have at least had the idea to expand the software, and that they would intend to do so via a software delivery system with which they can make money? I don't know man, to me, it just makes all the sense in the world.
It's obvious as hell that they were going to do an App Store eventually. Whether they wanted to keep it until iPhone 3G to get publicity to sell it well or because they were busy making their own apps first and setting up the content delivery system, you can argue about that.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22339782]So, the amount of software on a phone is what makes it revolutionary?
[img]http://techepics.com/files/oqo_model02_thumbs_menu.jpg[/img]
This must be the most revolutionary piece of hardware ever, then.[/QUOTE]
And this is when the convo jumped the shark.
Here's something to spice things up: using [URL="http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/smokescreen-brings-adobe-flash-to-iphone-ipad-with-javascript-conversion"]this new "hack"[/URL], iPads and iPhones could be able to run Flash.
[QUOTE=Ortzinator;22362011]And this is when the convo jumped the shark.[/QUOTE]
It was floating over the shark from the very beginning.
I vote for ZuneHD Phone.
ZuneHD Pad
Probably should give it a cooler name tho...
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