Verizon sends service termination warning to a FiOS user that used ~7 TB of data for several consecu - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47628578]the fact that he claims folding@home is the cause which for the biggest guy on the folding@home leaderboards is just under 3gb in like 15 years[/QUOTE] We don't know the cause of all his traffic. It's pretty obvious it's probably not p2p pirating. Could it be servers? Most definitely, but we don't know. Why don't you hold off judgement?

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;47628545]That's totally valid on the scale you're thinking of, but when that service is literally now being spread to millions of people, that becomes less and less feasbile[/QUOTE] 90% of internet users use like 5 gigabytes of less of data a month. It's completely feasible. [b] Regardless of what he is downloading, he was promised unlimited data. Period. Stop the bullshit [/b]

[QUOTE=Llamalord;47628596]90% of internet users use like 5 gigabytes of less of data a month. It's completely feasible. [b] Regardless of what he is downloading, he was promised unlimited data. Period. Stop the bullshit [/b][/QUOTE] He wasn't promised unrestricted unlimited data if you read the contract he signed, though.

[QUOTE=Llamalord;47628596]90% of internet users use like 5 gigabytes of less of data a month. It's completely feasible.[/QUOTE] What? Sounds like bullshit. Watching youtube alone in a month will eat more than that.

[QUOTE=Llamalord;47628596]90% of internet users use like 5 gigabytes of less of data a month. It's completely feasible. [b] Regardless of what he is downloading, he was promised unlimited data. Period. Stop the bullshit [/b]*[/QUOTE] as long as he doesn't violate the AUP which includes servers from home :)

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47628617]What? Sounds like bullshit. Watching youtube alone in a month will eat more than that.[/QUOTE] Most users just check their email on occasion. Some particularly tech savvy ones might even have a facebook.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47628562]The average consumer will take it literally though. More to the point, why are they offering such high download speeds if customers can't use those speeds for more than a day before they exceed what Verizon considers reasonable? That's my biggest issue here; this isn't someone who's download movies 24/7 and after a month reached 7Tb in usage, it's someone who with the connection they are paying for can reach that in a day. Why is it unreasonable to expect to be able to use a connection you're paying at the speed you're paying for for more than a day out of the month?[/QUOTE] The scenario of completely saturating the connection for days is arbitrary and not very interesting from a network traffic perspective, certainly not for the average consumer.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47628618]as long as he doesn't violate the AUP [B]which includes servers from home :)[/B][/QUOTE] I still see no proof of this though. I'd really like to know what was causing this much usage. The bottom line is that we don't know if he violated the AUP.

[QUOTE=Levelog;47628635]I still see no proof of this though. I'd really like to know what was causing this much usage.[/QUOTE] there are very few use cases that will hit 7 tb. he already lied with folding@home, so he obviously doesn't want people to know what it is

I'm more inclined to believe that he was sharing his connection with others. $315 for 500mbps unlimited comes out to $45 for 7 people with 1TB of data useage each (which isn't hard to do if you constantly stream movies in 1080p instead of paying for cable). But then again, I'm just speculating at this point.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47628617]What? Sounds like bullshit. Watching youtube alone in a month will eat more than that.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.mobidia.com/press-release/lte-network-usage-data-0[/url] Average of 10~ gigabytes per month across all networks. Twice what I guessed but 1/700th of what this guy used. EDIT: I lied, thats for mobile phones [url]https://gigaom.com/2012/07/19/america-show-me-your-broadband-usage/[/url] It's around 100 gigabytes for a family.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47628645]there are very few use cases that will hit 7 tb. he already lied with folding@home, so he obviously doesn't want people to know what it is[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47628658]I'm more inclined to believe that he was sharing his connection with others. $315 for 500mbps unlimited comes out to $45 for 7 people with 1TB of data useage each (which isn't hard to do if you constantly stream movies in 1080p instead of paying for cable). But then again, I'm just speculating at this point.[/QUOTE] It's all speculation at this point. [editline]29th April 2015[/editline] I still do not believe it was pirating. I only work for a small ISP, but we still get tons of termination notices from MPAA authorized companies. If this guy was downloading 7tb of Universal's copyrighted materials a month, you better bet Verizon would have gotten a call. It would have also been a lot less controversial if Verizon listed that as the reason for termination, so why wouldn't they?

[QUOTE=Llamalord;47628662][url]http://www.mobidia.com/press-release/lte-network-usage-data-0[/url] Average of 10~ gigabytes per month across all networks. Twice what I guessed but 1/700th of what this guy used. EDIT: I lied, thats for mobile phones [url]https://gigaom.com/2012/07/19/america-show-me-your-broadband-usage/[/url] It's around 100 gigabytes for a family.[/QUOTE] Sounds more like it. With everything being streamed even 10gb seems ridiculously small.

Until he or Verizon explains what he was doing to use up that much bandwidth, all we can do is speculate. However, what could he possibly be doing with 7TB a month on an ongoing basis that isn't a) a TOS violation like piracy or running servers, or b) a business function that should be on a business line? I could easily see someone working with HD video production pushing out >5TB a month...but that person shouldn't be using a residential service for professional work. And if it isn't professional work, and it isn't piracy or some kind of server hosting, what the actual hell is he doing? And why is he throwing out obvious lies to cover it? If he was seeding every Linux ISO ever you'd think he'd at least say that instead of picking a distributed computing project with trivial bandwidth demands.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47628731]Until he or Verizon explains what he was doing to use up that much bandwidth, all we can do is speculate. However, what could he possibly be doing with 7TB a month on an ongoing basis that isn't a) a TOS violation like piracy or running servers, or b) a business function that should be on a business line? I could easily see someone working with HD video production pushing out >5TB a month...but that person shouldn't be using a residential service for professional work. And if it isn't professional work, and it isn't piracy or some kind of server hosting, what the actual hell is he doing? And why is he throwing out obvious lies to cover it? If he was seeding every Linux ISO ever you'd think he'd at least say that instead of picking a distributed computing project with trivial bandwidth demands.[/QUOTE] Aren't business connections a total ripoff though? He's already paying 300 bucks a month for current connection.

Not gonna lie if I had that kind of connection and money I would download movies at the highest possible quality and store them on a massive drive array

Also as a bit of an unrelated note, I've never been able to find anything in my TWC AUP, terms of service, or signed contract that prohibits me of running any sort of media server or non enterprise server from my connection.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47628779]Aren't business connections a total ripoff though? He's already paying 300 bucks a month for current connection.[/QUOTE] Not entirely. There is a level of markup, since businesses can simply pay more, but businesses usually get higher priority and better service (they will actually go out of their way to fix your connection on short notice). Not to mention, businesses don't have to put up with this, because they expect high data use from server hosting and the possibility of an entire office using the connection.

[QUOTE=Demache;47628807]Not entirely. There is a level of markup, since businesses can simply pay more, but businesses usually get higher priority and better service (they will actually go out of their way to fix your connection on short notice). Not to mention, businesses don't have to put up with this, because they expect high data use from server hosting and the possibility of an entire office using the connection.[/QUOTE]So how much would that cost for a home connection?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47628822]So how much would that cost for a home connection?[/QUOTE] from what i was reading, business 500 fios from verizon is like 430 a month

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47628853]from what i was reading, business 500 fios from verizon is like 430 a month[/QUOTE] That's not too bad then

[QUOTE=Levelog;47628789]Also as a bit of an unrelated note, I've never been able to find anything in my TWC AUP, terms of service, or signed contract that prohibits me of running any sort of media server or non enterprise server from my connection.[/QUOTE] TWC's AUP only touches on your situation in two cases: You are using your service for an "enterprise", for-profit or otherwise. If you're using your home connection to host a public website (you have .com DNS records pointing at your cable modem), it's probably an enterprise according to a TWC lawyer. However, if you're running your own home media server, TWC doesn't give a shit. Unless you get into the "excessive usage" zone, which is where we started this thread at. TWC, like any ISP, retains the right to throttle your connection (in a non-discriminatory way--the entire pipe slows down, not ONLY torrent traffic or something) or the good old term your service clause if you are having a major impact on the service of others. [URL="http://help.twcable.com/twc_misp_aup.html"]Top two bullet points in their AUP.[/URL] They also [URL="http://help.twcable.com/description_of_network_management_practices.html"]disclose their network management practices[/URL], which restates the "excessive" bit from the AUP in more detail.

[QUOTE=Levelog;47628789]Also as a bit of an unrelated note, I've never been able to find anything in my TWC AUP, terms of service, or signed contract that prohibits me of running any sort of media server or non enterprise server from my connection.[/QUOTE] Interestingly enough I can't find it in their AUP or any other policy either. They don't even block any ports from what I can find.

[QUOTE=Worstcase;47628237]If you read the article, it states that within [URL="http://www.verizon.com/about/terms/"]Verizon's Terms of Service[/URL] that you cannot host a server on a Residential connection, which is precisely what he is doing. That right is reserved for Business connections. Verizon is perfectly within their legal right to do so.[/QUOTE] Yeah I called verizon and asked for help to host a gaming server and they told me I wasn't allowed to.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;47628981]Yeah I called verizon and asked for help to host a gaming server and they told me I wasn't allowed to.[/QUOTE] To be fair, setting up a server is really outside of Verizon's scope anyway. They probably couldn't help you much even if it wasn't against AUP. They can really only help you with connection related issues.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47628562][B]The average consumer will take it literally though.[/B] More to the point, why are they offering such high download speeds if customers can't use those speeds for more than a day before they exceed what Verizon considers reasonable? That's my biggest issue here; this isn't someone who's download movies 24/7 and after a month reached 7Tb in usage, it's someone who with the connection they are paying for can reach that in a day. Why is it unreasonable to expect to be able to use a connection you're paying at the speed you're paying for for more than a day out of the month?[/QUOTE] I want to take a second to emphasize this statement right here. Verizon has actuarial tables of what an average consumer actually is. They know how much and how little Joe Q. Public will use his internet on a daily, monthly, and yearly basis. They can even extrapolate out for a few levels of outliers from Joe Q. Public. This guy was far and away exceeding any "reasonable" or "average" use. Even if he is not engaged in some illegal enterprise, he's using his internet in a way that is abusive of the terms offered. "Well the plain wording is unlimited so it must be unlimited!" That's the same type of obnoxious logic that permits people to carry briefcases in to All-You-Can-Eat buffets and stuff them full of rolls and salads, because [I]hey, the sign says all I can eat, not when I can eat it.[/I] The wording of the contract is what is pertinent to this case, not the fancy "on the tin" wording. Even the most straight laced company has been using stretchers and pigshine for decades to sell their product, and they've also been smacking down so-called clever people who think that by being whacky and super literal they can abuse the company's advertising for personal gain. It sounds "nice" to put it in terms of "Oh, he's only using 2% of his total potential maximum!" but even that's ridiculous. That's stoner logic of the extent, "Hey man, your body only takes up .05% of Earth, why don't you move somewhere else and let me have your house? There's lots of space out there man, don't be so attached to this neighborhood." It ignores the subtleties and nuances of fact that most average people consent to in arranging the world, in favor of some absurdist self-interest scheme.

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;47628034]What could you possibly being doing that requires 7TB of data a month.[/QUOTE] 4k porn. 16gb per movie.

People like this are totally ridiculous imo. People like this completely ruin "unlimited" plans and are the reason why "unlimited" plans end up going kaput after a while with a lot of businesses, because some moron decides to completely abuse the system and cry foul when he gets in trouble. There is a massive distinction between taking advantage of your unlimited internet plan and using 7 fucking terabytes per month, month after month. It creates entirely unnecessary strain on the infrastructure and can affect neighbors usage as well. I highly doubt he has any legitimate reason to use so much data and I wish people would stop pretending internet access is magic.

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;47628034]What could you possibly being doing that requires 7TB of data a month.[/QUOTE] Business use, in which case that would be outside of his private plan anyway. That, or torrenting, which is likely also against the ToS.

[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;47628034]What could you possibly being doing that requires 7TB of data a month.[/QUOTE] Maybe they run a offsite backup service and do video work? I run offsite backups with a cloud provider and I push about 50GB per day on it.