Refugees in Hollands largest center march through streets in protest for better living conditions - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49300783] [b]It all revolves around a very simple concept:[/b] Dutch people don't ask anyone to come here. However, they are welcoming if you do want to come. All they ask, is that you not damage our society, and contribute to it. This means, do not introduce religious elements in a secular society, do not detriment the social-revolution that we've had in the past 50 years, and do as is expected from you like is expected from Dutch natives as well. If you're unwilling, or unable, to adept then please leave our country for the good of both of us.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to bother quoting the whole post because of how extensive it is but thanks for being patient and describing your position more thoroughly. You seem like a genuinely good person, I was just confused about your opposing attitudes towards things, but judging from what GoDong-DK it does seem to be a Dutch attitude and you explained it will enough here.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49302984]I'm not going to bother quoting the whole post because of how extensive it is but thanks for being patient and describing your position more thoroughly. You seem like a genuinely good person, I was just confused about your opposing attitudes towards things, but judging from what GoDong-DK it does seem to be a Dutch attitude and you explained it will enough here.[/QUOTE] Europe is slowly but surely messing itself up by not exercising precisely that mentality. It's only reasonable, no? You immigrate, you observe, you adapt and you integrate. Instead, there are separate ghettos comprised entirely of this or that demographic and these ghettos no longer respond to the law of the land.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49302984]I'm not going to bother quoting the whole post because of how extensive it is but thanks for being patient and describing your position more thoroughly. You seem like a genuinely good person, I was just confused about your opposing attitudes towards things, but judging from what GoDong-DK it does seem to be a Dutch attitude and you explained it will enough here.[/QUOTE] I genuinely appreciate you took the time to read that wall of text. I don't blame you for getting confused. The discussion on this topic is incredibly toxic, and complex. We don't have to agree persé, but I feel like it's really important that you at least understand AND know that there are many people who are critical of immigration, of the current refugee-crisis, without having a racist undertone or anything. Let's fight real racism and racists together, instead.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49297513]I honestly never thought that people escaping a third-world country would have first-world problems.[/QUOTE] Almost every third world country, has some capital city with some rich assholes living skyscrapers and fenced off neighborhoods with an close to first world Quality of Life. And all the doctors and lawyers, and well educated people to go with it. Afaik Syria is not real exception to this, even if their average HDI/QoL is low.

Here is a Look at refugee Centers in Malaysia and compare the conditions. Watch the Video by Al Jazeera. To top it off this is from a Muslim Govt. treatment of fellow Muslim refugees. Whereas in the above article it is Kufars/ Kapir treatment of Muslim refugees.......Now you can see why Muslim seek Christian Charity in EU, whereas they are treated by fellow muslims very differently. This is not being a racist but just pointing out the reality. Al Jazeera too being a Muslim based Middle eastern news agency. Go figure. [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/11/qa-malaysia-refugees-asylum-seekers-2014112083749828814.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Breny;49296951]While I don't think we should send them all back (many of them are here legitimately just to get to safety), there are way too many bad apples taking advantage of the system and showing no respect. For example, randomly harrassing truck drivers on a highway. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-c1iW0WI2s[/media][/QUOTE] That title is so fucking twisted.

[QUOTE=Jordax;49294658]You best not be dissing snert. [t]http://blog.thuisbezorgd.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shutterstock_166444736.jpg[/t] Seriously, there is nothing wrong with snert. It tastes good and it is especially filling for the upcoming cold winter days.[/QUOTE] okay what the hell is that? like is it peas massed up or something?

better living conditions? Look where your asses just came from

[QUOTE=Breny;49296951]While I don't think we should send them all back (many of them are here legitimately just to get to safety), there are way too many bad apples taking advantage of the system and showing no respect. For example, randomly harrassing truck drivers on a highway. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-c1iW0WI2s[/media][/QUOTE] I reported this marxist account for spreading shit about the orginial uploaders intent with the video and stirring this situation up with more hate, and talking shit about lorrydrivers. I'd like to send him there in a truck, so he can get the full experience. And hopefully stabbed.

I still don't understand how the OP has such a hateboner for refugees while volunteering in a shelter

[QUOTE=Novangel;49354814]I still don't understand how the OP has such a hateboner for refugees while volunteering in a shelter[/QUOTE] Maybe that's exactly the reason why, after volunteering.

[QUOTE=Jessey;49354862]Maybe that's exactly the reason why, after volunteering.[/QUOTE] exactly this, i used to work in a Asylum seekers / Refugee's GP service and although i was initally happy to help and alot of people i had no issue with nor have i previously, the shit i got from some of them coming in, demanding for things demanding for more all the time, actually made me despise them and did think to some degree sometimes "fuck off back to your own country" I could tell you shit that went down that would make your blood boil.

[QUOTE=Novangel;49354814]I still don't understand how the OP has such a hateboner for refugees while volunteering in a shelter[/QUOTE] Personally I believe you can be anti-immigration without being anti-immigrants. It's just that basically two camps have been drawn up - either you think these refugees are a bunch of welfare-munching devils, or they're basically selfless angels. Maybe they're just human. At least here on the left in Denmark, saying these asylum seekers would (in part) choose their destination depending on the benefits was basically not kosher. Then look at what actually happened; they basically all went to Sweden because they heard it was better there. If I were in the situation the refugees are in, I definitely wouldn't settle for Hungary - just because you're a refugee doesn't mean you don't want the best outcome for yourself. Honestly, maybe the only financially sound decision (if not necessarily the right decision in my opinion) our current government has made was making Denmark look like a shithole for refugees, which, despite the cutbacks on benefits for refugees, it really isn't.

To be honest it doesn't fucking matter if you think they're migrants or refugees Fact is a lot of them are going to want to stay in the West because the middle east is a gigantic, conflict-perpetuating, horrible place to live by this point that we recklessly intervene and blow to smithereens every couple of years to end up creating an even nastier and even worse terrorist group every time. We act like we have no responsibility to help these people now when within the last decade when we had thousands of troops in these countries shooting the locals dead in the name of preserving peace, something that has utterly failed on almost every single level. Because the Taliban are again making gains in Afghanistan and half of Iraq and Syria is occupied by a terrorist state. So we now have a problem where hundreds of thousands of people are migrating to the west, and we want to half-ass it and put them in tents and make them play football until their feet bleed. These people are going to stay here. They're going to be your new countrymen whether you like it or not. And you can perpetuate all this paranoia and bollocks like "western society is going to collapse" and treat your new countrymen like shit, but all you're going to do is create a cultural divide, and if you think your laughable "sharia law" scare is bad now, we'll really see how bad it gets after a decade of spitting on these people and treating them like sub-citizens.

[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;49355156]To be honest it doesn't fucking matter if you think they're migrants or refugees Fact is a lot of them are going to want to stay in the West because the middle east is a gigantic, conflict-perpetuating, horrible place to live by this point that we recklessly intervene and blow to smithereens every couple of years to end up creating an even nastier and even worse terrorist group every time. We act like we have no responsibility to help these people now when within the last decade when we had thousands of troops in these countries shooting the locals dead in the name of preserving peace, something that has utterly failed on almost every single level. Because the Taliban are again making gains in Afghanistan and half of Iraq and Syria is occupied by a terrorist state. So we now have a problem where hundreds of thousands of people are migrating to the west, and we want to half-ass it and put them in tents and make them play football until their feet bleed. These people are going to stay here. They're going to be your new countrymen whether you like it or not. And you can perpetuate all this paranoia and bollocks like "western society is going to collapse" and treat your new countrymen like shit, but all you're going to do is create a cultural divide, and if you think your laughable "sharia law" scare is bad now, we'll really see how bad it gets after a decade of spitting on these people and treating them like sub-citizens.[/QUOTE] Personally I'm 100% convinced these people are going to stay in Denmark (and well, Europe in general). It's not feasible to keep these people here for years, and then send them back home. Which is why I believe we should take them in as refugees, then basically treat them as immigrants. Personally my concern is that just believing we can integrate these people successfully is not enough to actually integrate them. We have to look at how integration has been going so far, and personally I'm not optimistic that the situation is going to improve drastically with more refugees coming. Hopefully I'm wrong, though.

[QUOTE=Novangel;49354814]I still don't understand how the OP has such a hateboner for refugees while volunteering in a shelter[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I'm going to be a migrant myself to Germany in a couple of years. That doesn't mean that I'm for migration to Germany. If I'm asked "Ah, then you wouldn't have a problem with a million Argentine leute emigrating to Germany?" I would answer "You could tell them to fuck off" Because honestly, as an Argentine, I recognize that our culture in the way we see the state and how we deal with it, is too shady and retrograd for a country like Germany, and 1M Argentines living there would disrupt things quickly. Have you seen "Lilyhammer"? Well, imagine 1M Frankies.... If that's already bad, think about that, plus cultural issues and gender issues, MUUUUUCH worse. I don't want to tag some people because then a shitstorm would ensue, but some people believe, SOMEHOW, that if a refugee from Syria crosses the border and enters Germany then he (Because as it was shown, they are mostly males): -Drops any cultural prejudice acquired from his upbringing -Respects other traditions and festivities -Respects the secular state -Respects the place they are given to live in Like, REALLY? Can they be so naive? Allow me to give you an analogy: If the richest country on this planet has had since its birth, in a certain region, people with strong cultural and racial prejudices which aren't willing to drop them, even generation after generation EDIT: And hey, we aren't talking about people living in a war zone, with basic needs unsatisfied, being marginalized... What makes you think that people with even stronger prejudices will drop them? The moment you tell those inmigrants that some of their views are nocive, they will play the "But it's our culture!" and all the stupids who support that notion, will agree with them and keep on behaving like if raping a woman is nothing wrong.

The fact that countries are treating refugees better than their own homeless is already shameful.