Two Teens Sent to Prison for S. Korean Bullying Suicide - Polidicks

ITT: Privileged kids call kid who was severely bullied a coward

[QUOTE=Godline;34804061] The jailed pair deserve longer.[/QUOTE] They're 15. They fooled around with a kid concerning video games and biscuits. You think they should be worse off than a mugger or attempted murderer, just because of a teenager's depressive issue. If the family of the victim was more protective, then it wouldn't have happened.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34804358]They're 15. [b]They fooled around[/b] with a kid concerning video games and biscuits.You think they should be worse off than a mugger or attempted murderer, just because of a teenager's depressive issue.If the family of the victim was more protective, then it wouldn't have happened.[/QUOTE]There's a big difference between "fooling around", and using the kid to make money, sticking his head in the sink, making him eat biscuits off of the ground, and [b]BEATING HIM[/b].

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;34804555]There's a big difference between "fooling around", and using the kid to make money, stick his head in the sink, make him eat biscuits off of the ground, and [b]BEAT HIM[/b].[/QUOTE] As a teen have you never had fights with your friends. It's hardly life threatening and you know it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34804584]As a teen have you never had fights with your friends. It's hardly life threatening and you know it.[/QUOTE] I've had plenty, but it's obvious that this was more than just play fighting, if it drew him to suicide. Also, like I said, they stuck his head in the sink, and made him eat food off of the ground. On top of whatever stress the kid was feeling beforehand, that's just plain humiliating, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was one of the things to push him over the edge.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;34804643]if it drew him to suicide.[/QUOTE] This is debatable. Sometimes the tiniest problems can make a teenager lose control. I'm not saying the entire fault was his own because that's plain stupid, but the fact that nobody could see what was going on for almost a year tells me a lot more things were wrong other than the bully.

[QUOTE=AK'z;34804744]This is debatable.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Not when the kid said that's what drove him over the edge.

damn I didn't even read the suicide note. :( Ah I thought it was all in the article. never mind.

The Kids were 15. That's plenty old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. Forcing a kid to eat biscuits off the ground? That's messed up. If they were perhaps 13, or even younger, it might be a different story. While their intention was almost definitely not murder, they seriously had the intention to torment, demean, humiliate and otherwise drive this other kid insane. I've met my share of bullies that was completely aware of what they were doing and none of them came close to that bad.

I am sympathetic to those who state that the boys are too young to go to prison, but as someone who was 15 not that long ago, I can certainly attest to the fact that I knew what I was doing. I did a lot of stupid things, for sure, but I most definitely did not go around forcing others to eat food off the floor and assaulting them. Why? Because I knew my actions had consequences, and that the consequences of physically harming someone and humiliating them, particularly over significant period of time, might cause that person to feel pretty fucking shitty about themselves. That doesn't make me unique; I'm quite sure that almost all 15 year olds are aware of this, barring severe mental disability. I'm a little tired of people saying that teenagers over the age of, say, 15 don't know what they're doing. You're stripping them of their agency, and their responsibility. I do think that prison might be a bit much for these kids (mostly due to the residual effects prison tends to have on a person, and society's expectations of them), but I most certainly agree with them being punished severely (i.e. not a slap on the wrist and a suspended sentence, or probation).

[QUOTE=devotchkade;34810013]I am sympathetic to those who state that the boys are too young to go to prison, but as someone who was 15 not that long ago, I can certainly attest to the fact that I knew what I was doing. I did a lot of stupid things, for sure, but I most definitely did not go around forcing others to eat food off the floor and assaulting them. Why? Because I knew my actions had consequences, and that the consequences of physically harming someone and humiliating them, particularly over significant period of time, might cause that person to feel pretty fucking shitty about themselves. That doesn't make me unique; I'm quite sure that almost all 15 year olds are aware of this, barring severe mental disability. I'm a little tired of people saying that teenagers over the age of, say, 15 don't know what they're doing. You're stripping them of their agency, and their responsibility. I do think that prison might be a bit much for these kids (mostly due to the residual effects prison tends to have on a person, and society's expectations of them), but I most certainly agree with them being punished severely (i.e. not a slap on the wrist and a suspended sentence, or probation).[/QUOTE] I think that a "slap on the wrist" is the best option My understanding is that there isn't a history of violent offenses, and while they are culpable and responsible, I don't think the solution is in criminalizing them further.

I'm not so certain. This wasn't a once off situation, it was an established pattern of months of abuse. I don't think a slap on the wrist is adequate. They may not have physically killed the boy, but their actions certainly led to his death, so... I'm not sure. Maybe rehabilitation? Classes, and a year or two of community work?

[QUOTE=devotchkade;34811119]I'm not so certain. This wasn't a once off situation, it was an established pattern of months of abuse. I don't think a slap on the wrist is adequate. They may not have physically killed the boy, but their actions certainly led to his death, so... I'm not sure. Maybe rehabilitation? Classes, and a year or two of community work?[/QUOTE] It is not a slap on the wrist!!! You've been mislead by the bullshit of the Herald Sun and other MSM Suspended sentencing allows for a range of conditions to be imposed, like "rehabilitation, Classes, and community work" The suspended sentence is supposed to be a declaration of the court that the respondent's actions are really terrible, but that nothing will be served by sentencing them to prison (other than revenge) I think Victoria has had an explosion of different sentencing orders, and they want to trim it back, but in the UK for example, a suspended sentence covers a huge amount of different options available to a judge