trump has doubled down on his statements, insisting that obama is somehow literally the founder of ISIS
[url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/gop-presidential-candidate-donald-trump.html[/url]
[media]https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/763742757143863297[/media]
like...what? they gave him a chance to correct himself and he just went harder
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50866864]According to Alan Abramowitz, If Trump wasn't GOP nominee, GOP would have a close race this year and may have even won.
He's already may have started campaign autopsies already.[/QUOTE]
If Kasich or even Rubio had won, and Clinton still got flooded with the email controversy and the DNC leaks, I have zero doubt the GOP would be leading by a fair margin right now. A vanilla conservative like Kasich would be able to crush Hillary in the general just by focusing on the leaks - but instead, Trump's such a popular media ratings-grab that most of Hillary's controversies get set aside for more 24/7 Trump coverage. If he shut up for a few weeks, the news on the DNC and other controversies would get more popular media coverage and hit Hillary pretty hard, even if nothing came from them. The Benghazi investigations seriously hurt Hillary's poll numbers, even though there was nothing incriminating resulting from it [I]at all[/I] - corruption in the DNC and the emails would be enough to tank her campaign early in the general if she was running against a typical GOP conservative.
Trump's just such an outright terrible candidate (and human being) that [i]even with multiple major scandals[/i], Hillary is clearly the preferable candidate - by a long shot. She has political experience. She has some degree of tact. She's at least somewhat self-aware and knowledgeable of how fickle the political climate can be. If she's embroiled in a controversy, she keeps her mouth shut and lets it run its course without actively encouraging the conspiracy theorists. Trump creates [i]new[/i] controversies out of thin air because he can't keep his mouth shut for ten minutes.
This is a historic election and I can't wait to see what political scientists are able to learn from it. I'm gonna be watching my university's journals for papers related to this election for the next few years. It's such an unusually rich and varied topic to analyze, compared to the stale and repetitive essays about how exactly Palin ruined McCain's bid in '08. Can't fucking wait.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50866934]trump has doubled down on his statements, insisting that obama is somehow literally the founder of ISIS
[url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/gop-presidential-candidate-donald-trump.html[/url]
[media]https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/763742757143863297[/media]
like...what? they gave him a chance to correct himself and he just went harder[/QUOTE]
Oh my god this is so funny. I really wish i could rate this funny.
They gave him every opportunity not to look like a raving lunatic.
He doesn't explain why he thinks that, he doesn't have any proof. He's just throwing his feces all over the place.
In other news: Trump campaign staff on suicide watch
[quote]Mr. Trump pledged on CNBC to “just keep doing the same thing I’m doing right now,” adding that he was the only presidential candidate who tells things “straight” and is “a truth-teller.”
“At the end, it’s either going to work or I’m going to, you know, I’m going to have a very, very nice long vacation,” he added.[/quote]
buckle in boys, it's gonna be a fun 3 months
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;50864789]I wonder if it's possible to take him to a doctor and see if he could be diagnosed with dementia cause let's be real here[/QUOTE]
Many psychologists and doctors who have seen him on TV have already diagnosed him with narcissistic personality disorder just by the way he acts.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50866713]I really want to know whether he's doing this all consciously or not. Does he even know he's feeding them bullshit with dumbed-down marketing speak?[/QUOTE]
I think part of the reason why he does it is because he is used to expecting applause the first time he says a broad statement then repeats it to start over and get back on track.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;50864810]That fucking quote is so unbelievably absurd I would say it's fake if I didn't know better.
"Maybe if I say it 4 times it will make it true."
For a grown man he speaks like a 3rd grader.[/QUOTE]
He really does, and that's part of his thing. Go to 2:00 in this video:
[video=youtube;_aFo_BV-UzI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFo_BV-UzI[/video]
[QUOTE=milktree;50867082]I think part of the reason why he does it is because he is used to expecting applause the first time he says a broad statement then repeats it to start over and get back on track.[/QUOTE]
One day, when he says something stupid, he'll have to say 'please clap' to get any reaction other than laughter or disbelief from his audience. I hope to see this day become reality.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50867044]buckle in boys, it's gonna be a fun 3 months[/QUOTE]
He's the best truth-teller there is. Let's look at his best truths, where he uses the best words.
Climate change is a Chinese hoax. Obama was born in Kenya. Hillary wants to raise taxes on the middle class. Obama's policies caused Captain Khan's death. Obama and Hillary founded ISIS together. Youth unemployment is higher than ever. The Obama Administration actively supported Al-Qaeda before it turned into ISIS. Crime is increasing. Hillary wants to release all the violent criminals from prison. Ted Cruz's father used to hang out with Lee Harvey Oswald. Hillary's polling poorly with women. Obama wants to accept a quarter million Syrian refugees. Blacks kill 81% of white homicide victims. Thousands of people were cheering when the Twin Towers fell. Bernie wants to tax people at 90%. The unemployment rate is actually 42%. There's 30 to 34 million illegal immigrants in the United States. Bernie would have won the DNC primaries if there were no superdelegates. Hillary's immigration platform will create "totally open borders." There's no system in place to vet Middle Eastern refugees. Hillary wants to abolish the second amendment. The US is the highest taxed nation in the world.
Oh, wait, sorry, I must've got mixed up, [I]all[/I] of those are blatant conspiratorial ignorant [I]lies[/I] without even a [I]single[/I] grain of truth behind any of them. He's such a good truth teller that he doesn't even need to have the truth to tell it - he can just make it up as he goes along.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50867165]He's the best truth-teller there is. Let's look at his best truths, where he uses the best words.
Climate change is a Chinese hoax. Obama was born in Kenya. Hillary wants to raise taxes on the middle class. Obama's policies caused Captain Khan's death. Obama and Hillary founded ISIS together. Youth unemployment is higher than ever. The Obama Administration actively supported Al-Qaeda before it turned into ISIS. Crime is increasing. Hillary wants to release all the violent criminals from prison. Ted Cruz's father used to hang out with Lee Harvey Oswald. Hillary's polling poorly with women. Obama wants to accept a quarter million Syrian refugees. Blacks kill 81% of white homicide victims. Thousands of people were cheering when the Twin Towers fell. Bernie wants to tax people at 90%. The unemployment rate is actually 42%. There's 30 to 34 million illegal immigrants in the United States. Bernie would have won the DNC primaries if there were no superdelegates. Hillary's immigration platform will create "totally open borders." There's no system in place to vet Middle Eastern refugees. Hillary wants to abolish the second amendment. The US is the highest taxed nation in the world.
Oh, wait, sorry, I must've got mixed up, [I]all[/I] of those are blatant conspiratorial ignorant [I]lies[/I] without even a [I]single[/I] grain of truth behind any of them. He's such a good truth teller that he doesn't even need to have the truth to tell it - he can just make it up as he goes along.[/QUOTE]
Hillary actually does want to raise taxes on the middle class.[URL="http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik"]http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik[/URL]:what:
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50867354]Hillary actually does want to raise taxes on the middle class.[URL="http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik"]http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik[/URL]:what:[/QUOTE]
I think she just misspoke, I read somewhere that the official transcript of the speech has her saying "aren't", she just didn't enunciate the "n't" part in her speech. Plus, she was talking about making fairer tax rules for the middle class leading into that, so her saying "let's raise taxes on you guys!" right afterwards doesn't really make sense.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50866975]In other news: Trump campaign staff on suicide watch[/QUOTE]
From the TIME article OmniConsUme linked:
[QUOTE]Like the rest of the party, Trump’s staff has been flummoxed by his political naiveté. They describe a candidate who doesn’t understand the basics of modern campaigns, from why you knock on doors to how to read a poll to why he should be dialing for dollars more aggressively. His headquarters has enough palace intrigue and warring fiefs to rival the fictional badlands of Westeros. “You’re always afraid of getting fired,” says one staffer, “but it’s his fault, not ours.”
These staff members are still cashing checks but have begun to lose faith that their boss can or should win the top prize in American politics. Most highly regarded Republican operatives have stayed away from the campaign, wary of being blackballed for future gigs. “If someone applied for a job and brought in a résumé that had Trump 2016 on it,” says a GOP fundraising consultant, “I wouldn’t give them an interview.”[/QUOTE]
[editline]11th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50864929]Then he'd have to have been planning it pretty far back, considering the whole Obama birth certificate thing[/QUOTE]
He reacted very strongly when Romney lost the 2012 election:
[QUOTE]He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!
The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.
More votes equals a loss...revolution!
This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!
Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50867354]Hillary actually does want to raise taxes on the middle class.[URL="http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik"]http://www.dailywire.com/news/8050/watch-crowd-cheers-clintons-call-raise-taxes-robert-kraychik[/URL]:what:[/QUOTE]
You can literally just google her tax plan and see that the only change to income tax she's proposed is adding an eighth income tax bracket at 43.6% above the current income tax rates. You do know there are numbers out there, on the internet, about every candidate's tax plans? You don't have to rely on gaffes to figure out what people's policies are. The actual policies are written out for you to read.
Here's the changes Clinton's proposed to our current tax plan:
- An eighth tax bracket of 43.6% for people earning more than ~$450,000 a year. Not middle class.
- A bracket system for taxing capital gains, based on how long the asset has been held. Six years to get the lowest tax rate of 27.8% - short-term investments would be taxed at 47.4%. Tied to income level.
- Taxpayers with an income above $5 million a year would pay an additional 4% surtax on capital gains.
- Cap the maximum tax benefit of itemized deductions at 28%.
- Increase the estate tax to 45% from the current 40%.
- Decrease the estate tax exemption from $5.45 million to $3.5 million.
If you're earning $20k-45k a year, you'll be paying somewhere between $3 and $15 more a year under Clinton's tax plan. If you're further middle class, say up to $140,000 a year, you'll be paying maybe a hundred dollars more. Her tax plan focuses on the wealthy. If you make a half million a year, you pay about 10% more. More millionaires pay an estate tax, at a slightly higher rate. Capital gains are taxed much higher based on age so that long-term investments (more common among middle class) aren't penalized but short-term trades (more common among stock traders and the wealthiest Americans) are taxed more equally to income.
So, yeah, I'll pay $10 more a year in taxes for a capital gains system that doesn't let wealthy people pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. Inflation will probably make me pay that much more in like 2 years anyways.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50867694]You can literally just google her tax plan and see that the only change to income tax she's proposed is adding an eighth income tax bracket at 43.6% above the current income tax rates. You do know there are numbers out there, on the internet, about every candidate's tax plans? You don't have to rely on gaffes to figure out what people's policies are. The actual policies are written out for you to read.
Here's the changes Clinton's proposed to our current tax plan:
- An eighth tax bracket of 43.6% for people earning more than ~$450,000 a year. Not middle class.
- A bracket system for taxing capital gains, based on how long the asset has been held. Six years to get the lowest tax rate of 27.8% - short-term investments would be taxed at 47.4%. Tied to income level.
- Taxpayers with an income above $5 million a year would pay an additional 4% surtax on capital gains.
- Cap the maximum tax benefit of itemized deductions at 28%.
- Increase the estate tax to 45% from the current 40%.
- Decrease the estate tax exemption from $5.45 million to $3.5 million.
If you're earning $20k-45k a year, you'll be paying somewhere between $3 and $15 more a year under Clinton's tax plan. If you're further middle class, say up to $140,000 a year, you'll be paying maybe a hundred dollars more. Her tax plan focuses on the wealthy. If you make a half million a year, you pay about 10% more. More millionaires pay an estate tax, at a slightly higher rate. Capital gains are taxed much higher based on age so that long-term investments (more common among middle class) aren't penalized but short-term trades (more common among stock traders and the wealthiest Americans) are taxed more equally to income.
So, yeah, I'll pay $10 more a year in taxes for a capital gains system that doesn't let wealthy people pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. Inflation will probably make me pay that much more in like 2 years anyways.[/QUOTE]
You're telling me I have to drink 2 less beers at a resturant to make up for the tax burden. This tax plan is flawed. I need those two beers.
[QUOTE=Jund;50866906]"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. [/QUOTE]
Yea he definitely likes to get the gun nuts riled up. On the other hand, gun manufacturers and stores must love this stuff. Sure that sale just keep climbing.
now trump is claiming his comments were sarcasm :what:
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/764045345332396032[/media]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50872387]now trump is claiming his comments were sarcasm :what:
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/764045345332396032[/media][/QUOTE]
Trump is literally a 12 year old.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50872387]now trump is claiming his comments were sarcasm :what:
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/764045345332396032[/media][/QUOTE]
:speechless:
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50872387]now trump is claiming his comments were sarcasm :what: [/QUOTE]
It's OK, he was only pretending to be retarded.
That's not even what sarcasm is...
I've seen my idiot friends use that excuse back in middle school
his campaign staff used up all the best excuses early on so now they're down to this tripe
Do I sound crazy if I think Trump and the Clintons have an agreement that Trump will run his campaign into the ground to ensure a Clinton victory?
Surely no person in his position could really be that stupid, right?
[QUOTE=archangel125;50873014]Do I sound crazy if I think Trump and the Clintons have an agreement that Trump will run his campaign into the ground to ensure a Clinton victory?
Surely no person in his position could really be that stupid, right?[/QUOTE]
Never underestimate human ignorance.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50873014]Do I sound crazy if I think Trump and the Clintons have an agreement that Trump will run his campaign into the ground to ensure a Clinton victory?
Surely no person in his position could really be that stupid, right?[/QUOTE]
People have been thinking that for a year now
Imagine how bad this guy would do in a court.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50873014]Do I sound crazy if I think Trump and the Clintons have an agreement that Trump will run his campaign into the ground to ensure a Clinton victory?
Surely no person in his position could really be that stupid, right?[/QUOTE]
For awhile I liked the idea that he didn't want to be President so he was trashing his campaign slowly without the humiliation of dropping out.
The way he's been acting lately I don't know though. He's an old businessman who probably remembers the 80's and 90's as the good years, a time when he could probably walk all over anybody who wasn't like him without any real consequences. When he occasionally tries to shore up his stance on social issues, he probably sees the votes he needs to win, but I doubt he's ever thought critically about why people have the opinions that they do.
When he was talking about protecting the LGBTQ community yesterday or whenever, he said the acronym in the most bizarre way I've ever heard, as if somebody had just handed him an index card and told him to say it.
He probably had to remember how many letters it unnecessarily has and make sure they were the right ones.
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