It's official: Health reform bill (HR 3590) passes House - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lifehole;20890950][URL="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=16%2C000+more+IRS+agents&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enCR281CR282&ie=UTF-8"]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=16%2C000+more+IRS+agents&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enCR281CR282&ie=UTF-8[/URL] Around oh say, 100 sources right there.[/QUOTE] Choose one that's reliable and I promise I'll read it. The first two Google results come from [url=http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2010/03/obamacare-will-mean-16000-more-irs.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/vHVd+(HolyCoast.com)]here[/url]. That blog cites a document from the Republicans on the Ways and Means Committee. I'm not going to call a document by the Republican members of the Ways and Means Committee an unbiased source.

[QUOTE=Lankist;20890297]I'm actually pretty apathetic, I just don't get why proponents for universal healthcare would want this crap.[/QUOTE] I don't think they like the bill as much as they like the fact it signals the US government's willingness to actually look at changing the current system.

Good, now America will be up to the standard of other countries

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;20890966]Then you don't want to be the leader of them. They aren't going to like people who believe in evolution and are not Christian.[/QUOTE] And a complete retard. Michael Steele is retarded. He has no idea why Greenland is called Greenland.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;20891004]Good, now America will be up to the standard of other countries[/QUOTE] Ha, not close.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20890971]Choose one that's reliable and I promise I'll read it. The first two Google results come from [URL="http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2010/03/obamacare-will-mean-16000-more-irs.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/vHVd+%28HolyCoast.com%29"]here[/URL]. I'm not going to call a document by the Republican members of the Ways and Means Committee an unbiased source.[/QUOTE] You know the bill was 4000 pages, did anyone actually read it? I heard the bill was 4000 pages on foxnews. And I'm not going to find you a "reliable" source, no news stations would say it since it, because well, it's the BAD news.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891008]And a complete retard. Michael Steele is retarded. He has no idea why Greenland is called Greenland.[/QUOTE] SPOILER ALERT: It's because Erik the Red was a crafty businessman and model capitalist.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;20891004]Good, now America will be [I]up[/I] from the standard of second world countries[/QUOTE] Fix'd

What also pisses me off is people have not read the damn thing and saying "It's gonna be great" because you can't even read the damn thing (2000 pages is more than most novels). If the democrats shortened it to a reasonable size (I.E. 100 pages) I'd happily read it. I personally think that they're trying to hide something in the 2000 pages. From my understanding you really don't need 2000 pages for a bill.

[QUOTE=lifehole;20891012]You know the bill was 4000 pages, did anyone actually read it? I heard the bill was 4000 pages on foxnews. And I'm not going to find you a "reliable" source, no news stations would say it since it, because well, it's the BAD news.[/QUOTE] More like 2,500 pages, 425,000 words. The original House version was 989 words. And you don't think Fox News would be all over an anti-health care story? You're delusional if you think they don't have a conservative bias.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20891039]Fix'd[/QUOTE] Unless if healthcare puts us in deeper debt and then we start cutting spending on things that are necessary (I.E. FBI, CIA).

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891040]What also pisses me off is people have not read the damn thing and saying "It's gonna be great" because you can't even read the damn thing (2000 pages is more than most novels). If the democrats shortened it to a reasonable size (I.E. 100 pages) I'd happily read it. I personally think that they're trying to hide something in the 2000 pages. From my understanding you really don't need 2000 pages for a bill.[/QUOTE] Again, the original House version was 989 words. [editline]05:27AM[/editline] [QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891055]Unless if healthcare puts us in deeper debt and then we start cutting spending on things that are necessary (I.E. FBI, CIA).[/QUOTE] What if we (gasp!) pulled out of Iraq as scheduled and didn't have to flush money down the drain there?

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891040]What also pisses me off is people have not read the damn thing and saying "It's gonna be great" because you can't even read the damn thing (2000 pages is more than most novels). If the democrats shortened it to a reasonable size (I.E. 100 pages) I'd happily read it. I personally think that they're trying to hide something in the 2000 pages. From my understanding you really don't need 2000 pages for a bill.[/QUOTE] They probably have 1600 blank pages between 200 and 1800 because they know nobody will get past the first 100 pages. Discourages most people from even opening it.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891048]More like 2,500 pages, 425,000 words. The original House version was 989 words. And you don't think Fox News would be all over an anti-health care story? You're delusional if you think they don't have a conservative bias.[/QUOTE] Could you help me find a link to the original version? I'm guessing that is the closest to the gist of what they're actually trying to do.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891048]More like 2,500 pages, 425,000 words. The original House version was 989 words. And you don't think Fox News would be all over an anti-health care story? You're delusional if you think they don't have a conservative bias.[/QUOTE] I think bias of a newsgroup is subjective for each person. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] That's what it seems to be.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891077]Could you help me find a link to the original version? I'm guessing that is the closest to the gist of what they're actually trying to do.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text[/url] Possible long load time.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;20891081]I think bias of a newsgroup is subjective for each person. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] That's what it seems to be.[/QUOTE] I think it's fairly obvious that FNC, being owned by Rupert Murdoch, would be more favorable towards conservative views.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891056] What if we (gasp!) pulled out of Iraq as scheduled and didn't have to flush money down the drain there?[/QUOTE] I'm not angry about that, I support pulling the troops out, it's just that funding for the department of homeland defense and [B]COULD[/B] be cut to an unsafe amount.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;20891081]I think bias of a newsgroup is subjective for each person.[/QUOTE] Uh, not really. You may think Fox News is less conservative than you but that doesn't make it liberal.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;20891081]I think bias of a newsgroup is subjective for each person. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] That's what it seems to be.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I have never seen a newsstation with everyone saying that it is neutral. [editline]09:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891085][URL]http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text[/URL] Possible long load time.[/QUOTE] Says sever overload. Possibly due to tonight's big thing. Any other sites?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;20891081]I think bias of a newsgroup is subjective for each person. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] That's what it seems to be.[/QUOTE] Old-ish but true: [img_thumb]http://imgur.com/X7sqx.jpg[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;20891097]Uh, not really. You may think Fox News is less conservative than you but that doesn't make it liberal.[/QUOTE] man I wasn't even suggesting that

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891040]What also pisses me off is people have not read the damn thing and saying "It's gonna be great" because you can't even read the damn thing (2000 pages is more than most novels). If the democrats shortened it to a reasonable size (I.E. 100 pages) I'd happily read it. I personally think that they're trying to hide something in the 2000 pages. From my understanding you really don't need 2000 pages for a bill.[/QUOTE] It's a bill. You can't leave any room for misinterpretation so it has to be long and wordy.

[quote=zombiefreak;20891100]agreed. I have never seen a newsstation with everyone saying that it is neutral.[/quote] bbc

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891100]Agreed. I have never seen a newsstation with everyone saying that it is neutral. [editline]09:31PM[/editline] Says sever overload. Possibly due to tonight's big thing. Any other sites?[/QUOTE] PBS is pretty damn neutral. Jim Lehrer is the man.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;20891137]It's a bill. You can't leave any room for misinterpretation so it has to be long and wordy.[/QUOTE] Not 4x longer than most novels are.

Seems the decade old struggle is over. I see brighter future with some tiny changes to the bill coming. At least they got it passed. Washington is not the place it use to be people want it there way or no way. <- not as easy to get people on your side from the other parties(assuming there are any none Dems and Reps in the house).

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20891138]bbc[/QUOTE] It is very anti-Israel from what I've heard. So much that there is biasness from it. However, I cannot confirm that this is a true statement.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891156]Not 4x longer than most novels are.[/QUOTE] Here's a link to another PDF of it, in all its 2076-page glory: [url]http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590as.txt.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891155]PBS is pretty damn neutral. Jim Lehrer is the man.[/QUOTE] PBS is the shit.