It's official: Health reform bill (HR 3590) passes House - Polidicks

Here is a good source. [url]http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/IRS_Power_Report.pdf[/url] That is a official site and on the first page of that there is the whole IRS thing I was talking about.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891173]Here's a link to another PDF of it, in all its 2076-page glory: [url]http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590as.txt.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] That's annoying. Chrome made me download the cgi file.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891156]Not 4x longer than most novels are.[/QUOTE] Yeah, 4x longer than novels. Novels leave tons of room for interpretation. Bills can't do that.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891169]It is very anti-Israel from what I've heard. So much that there is biasness from it. However, I cannot confirm that this is a true statement.[/QUOTE] I think pretty much the rest of the Western world is a little fed up with Israel. You do know that the Mossad stole the identities of several British citizens in order to carry out a hit in Dubai, right? Also, are you acquainted with the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident]USS Liberty incident[/url]? Israeli jets attacked and almost destroyed an American ship, killing 34 crew members and wounding 171 others.

[QUOTE=Aide;20891158]Seems the decade old struggle is over. I see brighter future with some tiny changes to the bill coming. At least they got it passed. Washington is not the place it use to be people want it there way or no way. <- not as easy to get people on your side from the other parties(assuming there are any none Dems and Reps in the house).[/QUOTE] If you think this is reform, I wish I could share your optimism. As for this nonsense over the length of the bill, If you read through it, a lot of it is in legal jargon like this, [quote]“(a) Outpatient Hospitals – (1) In General – Section 1833(t)(3)(C)(iv) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395(t)(3)(C)(iv)) is amended – (A) in the first sentence – (i) by inserting “(which is subject to the productivity adjustment described in subclause (II) of such section)” after “1886(b)(3)(B)(iii); and (ii) by inserting “(but not below 0)” after “reduced”; and (B) in the second sentence, by inserting “and which is subject, beginning with 2010 to the productivity adjustment described in section 1886(b)(3)(B)(iii)(II)”. [/quote] This is a result of the various forms of the bill, which were 1000 pages previously, being debated over, amended, and then politicians, many of whom are in the legal profession, debating over the wording of the bill. The only thing being "snuck" onto the bill are provisions about the federal student loan program.

[QUOTE=Panda X;20891185]That's annoying. Chrome made me download the cgi file.[/QUOTE] It opens instantly on firefox for me, in pdf, so.

[QUOTE=lifehole;20891183]Here is a good source. [url]http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/IRS_Power_Report.pdf[/url] That is a official site and on the first page of that there is the whole IRS thing I was talking about.[/QUOTE] That's the same source I criticized earlier. [QUOTE=Panda X;20891185]That's annoying. Chrome made me download the cgi file.[/QUOTE] Not for me. :raise:

[QUOTE=Mexican;20889343]Nay, fucking bitches is completely unconstitutional and threatens our individuality.[/QUOTE] you clearly missed the "fuck bitches get money" clause in the 1st amendment

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891199]That's the same source I criticized earlier. Not for me. :raise:[/QUOTE] You criticized it? For being republican I am guessing, but its true, I mean if its a lie it wouldn't/couldn't be on the damn site.

[QUOTE=lifehole;20891214]You criticized it? For being republican I am guessing, but its true, I mean if its a lie it wouldn't/couldn't be on the damn site.[/QUOTE] Can you find an independent source that fact-checked it? Like, a newspaper or anything?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891221]Can you find an independent source that fact-checked it? Like, a newspaper or anything?[/QUOTE] Lol, it's a government site, if you don't trust that you might as well not trust the democrat stuff/sites either. And, have you tried looking through the hundred of Google pages?

[QUOTE=lifehole;20891241]Lol, it's a government site, if you don't trust that you might as well not trust the democrat stuff/sites either. And, have you tried looking through the hundred of Google pages?[/QUOTE] I would just like to see it fact-checked. Have [i]you[/i] tried looking through the Google results?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;20891187]Yeah, 4x longer than novels. Novels leave tons of room for interpretation. Bills can't do that.[/QUOTE] Novels leave room for interpenetration because of the writing style, not because of the amount of pages.

[QUOTE=MercZ;20891190]If you think this is reform, I wish I could share your optimism. As for this nonsense over the length of the bill, If you read through it, a lot of it is in legal jargon like this, This is a result of the various forms of the bill, which were 1000 pages previously, being debated over, amended, and then politicians, many of whom are in the legal profession, debating over the wording of the bill. The only thing being "snuck" onto the bill are provisions about the federal student loan program.[/QUOTE] Im just tried of hearing everyone talk about the way it should be. In theory the benefits should out weigh anything else. I don't mind paying more taxes if that means the bill will cover more people. As for sneaking in federal student loan provisions thats the usual Washington bullshit you get from every bill.

[QUOTE=MercZ;20891190]If you think this is reform, I wish I could share your optimism. As for this nonsense over the length of the bill, If you read through it, a lot of it is in legal jargon like this, This is a result of the various forms of the bill, which were 1000 pages previously, being debated over, amended, and then politicians, many of whom are in the legal profession, debating over the wording of the bill. The only thing being "snuck" onto the bill are provisions about the federal student loan program.[/QUOTE] They really don't need all of that legal shit though.

[QUOTE=lifehole;20891241]Lol, it's a government site, if you don't trust that you might as well not trust the democrat stuff/sites either.[/QUOTE] It's done under a government site because of it being in Congress, but it's still based along what the RNC wants. [QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891269]They really don't need all of that legal shit though.[/QUOTE] When you live in a modern capitalist government, this is the reality.

What I also find funny about modern laws is that the US constitution in its full glory is only a few pages long, while modern laws can sometimes be 100 pages.

[QUOTE=MercZ;20891276]When you live in a modern [b]democratic[/b] government, this is the reality.[/QUOTE] ftfy [editline]05:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891301]What I also find funny about modern laws is that the US constitution in its full glory is only a few pages long, while modern laws can sometimes be 100 pages.[/QUOTE] Ever read a SCOTUS decision? They can get pretty wordy.

[QUOTE=MercZ;20891276] When you live in a modern bureaucratic, lawyer filled government, this is the reality.[/QUOTE] fixed. [editline]09:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891305] Ever read a SCOTUS decision? They can get pretty wordy.[/QUOTE] No but I can imagine that.

I head my mom telling Nancy Pelosi to fuck off. I take it she doesn't like the bill. Me, I honestly don't give a shit.

[QUOTE=OvB;20891339]I head my mom telling Nancy Pelosi to fuck off. I take it she doesn't like the bill. Me, I honestly don't give a shit.[/QUOTE] Well you're gonna feel the bill when it hits. But Pelosi is a retard and she has the complete right to say that.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891352]Well you're gonna feel the bill when it hits. But Pelosi is a retard and she has the complete right to say that.[/QUOTE] [img]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6213/nancypelosiscary.jpg[/img] I have a hard time looking at her.

She reminds me of a high strung housewife.

[QUOTE=OvB;20891371][IMG]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6213/nancypelosiscary.jpg[/IMG] I have a hard time looking at her.[/QUOTE] Itsy bitsy spider.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20891258]Novels leave room for interpenetration because of the writing style, not because of the amount of pages.[/QUOTE] This is true.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20891305]ftfy[/QUOTE] Wait what? We are a republic.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;20891431]Wait what? We are a republic.[/QUOTE] Democratic republic. We elect our senators instead of a committee.

There's something about a community of people that argue without going into total flame-fest all the time that brings warmth to my soul

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;20891524]There's something about a community of people that argue without going into total flame-fest all the time that brings warmth to my soul[/QUOTE] You're not on youtube. You'll see many arguments on facepunch that are completely rational and sane.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;20891524]There's something about a community of people that argue without going into total flame-fest all the time that brings warmth to my soul[/QUOTE] Best kind of community, IMO.