An SAS Soldier who kept a pistol from Falklands War as a trophy gets 15 months in prison - Polidicks

So what is your point? I don't want your gun laws in the UK.

[QUOTE=simkas;50149595]How the fuck does the fact that he served his country make the law apply to him differently? In fact, I'd say the fact that he served his country makes it even worse, because he actually knows how to use it and if he wanted to do some bad shit, he could do some really bad shit and besides, he of all people should fucking know better than to do this.[/QUOTE] This is a pathetic mindset. The man served his country for [i]twenty two[/i] years. That's more than most of us have even been alive. And you're going to have the audacity to imply that he's going to use the firearm to, what, needlessly attack and kill the men and women he's dedicated his entire life to protecting? Disgusting.

[QUOTE=Streecer;50149614]127 is not a fucking handful, you could harm or kill a very large number of people with that ammunition[/QUOTE] Sure. Assuming he has perfect accuracy, and every shot is a killing or maiming shot. Which, I can guarantee you, wouldn't be the case.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50149612]far dumber to hold veterans above the law[/QUOTE] It would be hard to stoop low enough to the level of their laws to hold the veteran under it.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149632]This is a pathetic mindset. The man served his country for [i]twenty two[/i] years. That's more than most of us have even been alive. And you're going to have the audacity to imply that he's going to use the firearm to, what, needlessly attack and kill the men and women he's dedicated his entire life to protecting? Disgusting.[/QUOTE] Then he should have fucking known better.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149629]Yes let's go ahead and compare your 'successful' gun laws with America's and ignore the fact that: The UK has a population less than 20% of America's The UK shares no connected land border with any nation The UK is an isolated island state with a relatively small border which is easily monitored and policed The UK has a population of sheep that have accepted the fact that they live in a nanny state and seem to enjoy their near constant violations of privacy in the name of 'security' The UK does not have a lawless wasteland nation near enough to it that shit spills over The UK has a much less diverse population compared to America[/QUOTE] lol, he didn't compare them, you're the one doing it

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149632]This is a pathetic mindset. The man served his country for [i]twenty two[/i] years. That's more than most of us have even been alive. And you're going to have the audacity to imply that he's going to use the firearm to, what, needlessly attack and kill the men and women he's dedicated his entire life to protecting? Disgusting.[/QUOTE] Veterans typically aren't very mentally stable in the US you know. In the UK, where we treat our soldiers better, it is less bad, but being a veteran, if anything, makes it more likely he shouldn't have a gun.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149641]It would be hard to stoop low enough to the level of their laws to hold the veteran under it.[/QUOTE] But he's not being held under it? He violated the law, he got punished for it.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149629] The UK has a population less than 20% of America's[/quote] That isn't how statistics work [quote]The UK shares no connected land border with any nation[/quote] A vast majority of guns used in crime are bought legally, they certainly aren't smuggled in from canada or mexico [quote]The UK has a population of sheep that have accepted the fact that they live in a nanny state and seem to enjoy their near constant violations of privacy in the name of 'security'[/quote] as it happens i really enjoy living as a brainwashed sheep with the freedom of not being shot, go figure, so do a lot of other UK citizens [quote]The UK does not have a lawless wasteland nation near enough to it that shit spills over[/quote] how does mexico cause increased crime in the US? [quote]The UK has a much less diverse population compared to America[/QUOTE] so you're implying that non-white people commit more violent crime, nice, puts the previous claim in perspective

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50149639]Sure. Assuming he has perfect accuracy, and every shot is a killing or maiming shot. Which, I can guarantee you, wouldn't be the case.[/QUOTE] But he's a ex-SAS commando, so he probably does have those abilities.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50149621]I care because guns are illegal, and I don't want anyone without a the proper checks (and no, being a former soldier does NOT count as a check) having a gun. Laws need to be enforced. Our gun laws save a large amount of lives and make everyone feel a whole lot safer given that almost all criminals will not have a gun, and police are less inclined to act violently due to the lack of guns.[/QUOTE] "Being a former soldier does not count as a check" Well fuck me running mate if being in the army for twenty two bloody years and having been trained extensively in the use of firearms doesn't qualify that you're intelligent enough to own/operate one, what the hell does? At what level of government control will you and your milquetoast populace feel safe? I mean jesus christ you can't buy cutlery sets under the age of 18 if they have knives in them, what's the next step? A personal G-Man for every household?

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50149621]Cars are used for a lot of things. Guns are used for killing, whether of yourself, wildlife, innocent people or home invaders. They aren't comparable at all. We don't want your gun laws, and for good reason.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, but what kind of person honestly [I]needs[/I] a car capable of going 120mph? They could use it to evade the police, and, as I said before, vehicle accidents cause more deaths than gun violence. Don't the victims have rights, too? You don't need a car that can go over 65mph. We have speed limits here, this isn't Germany with their lunatic Autobahn.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50149630]OK everyone from outside the UK who are so offended by UK gun laws here's what you do. Move and live in the UK, then set up a petition or join one that's already that lobbying for looser firearm control. And then i and most of the nation can tell you to sod off with a resounding no vote. We speak the same language but we don't speak the same lingo, we're like chalk and cheese, the US and UK are not the same, we have different cultural ideals and beliefs STOP trying to tell us we should have guns or how to we should treat them and their owners in our own damn country, stop applying your logic and reason to a nation you don't bloody live in and know relatively nothing about. And because I'm well aware of the counter argument, I don't give a flying toss about America's gun laws i don't live there so I'm not about to say your gun laws are stupid and you should take all your guns away. But this is all pointless because some muppet will just drag this round the same fucking circle just like the damn weather threads.[/QUOTE] Careful mate. Telling Americans to move to the UK and set up petitions for looser firearm control could backfire on you. It would take less than 20% of our population to outnumber you. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;50149643]Then he should have fucking known better.[/QUOTE] Maybe his government should be less shitty, and then he wouldn't have his life ruined over a piece of goddamn metal that he is more than certified to safely operate.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149632]This is a pathetic mindset. The man served his country for [i]twenty two[/i] years. That's more than most of us have even been alive. And you're going to have the audacity to imply that he's going to use the firearm to, what, needlessly attack and kill the men and women he's dedicated his entire life to protecting? Disgusting.[/QUOTE] Bringing up his service record isn't even relevant. It doesn't matter if you served in the military for any amount of time, it doesn't magically give you immunity to the law. Obey the laws that have been established or risk suffering the legal consequences of your actions. It is very simple.

[QUOTE=simkas;50149656]But he's a ex-SAS commando, so he probably does have those abilities.[/QUOTE] [I]Once[/I] had those abilities. Marksmanship isn't like riding a bike, it's a very perishable skill. You need practice consistently to hold onto any kind of proficiency. Which is also why 177 rounds isn't that much. You need to put hundreds, if not thousands of rounds downrange to achieve any level of proficiency in the first place, and at least a couple of hundred rounds at least once a month afterwards.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149659]"Being a former soldier does not count as a check" Well fuck me running mate if being in the army for twenty two bloody years and having been trained extensively in the use of firearms doesn't qualify that you're intelligent enough to own/operate one, what the hell does? At what level of government control will you and your milquetoast populace feel safe? I mean jesus christ you can't buy cutlery sets under the age of 18 if they have knives in them, what's the next step? A personal G-Man for every household?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah? And what if that highly trained soldier with 20 years of experience suddenly decides that he doesn't like how the government treats him or just feels like he wants to start doing crime? Then he becomes a serious fucking threat and he just so happens to have the guns and enough ammo to kill over a hundred people.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149671]Careful mate. Telling Americans to move to the UK and set up petitions for looser firearm control could backfire on you. It would take less than 20% of our population to outnumber you. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] Maybe his government should be less shitty, and then he wouldn't have his life ruined over a piece of goddamn metal that he is more than certified to safely operate.[/QUOTE] a piece of metal that can kill people, right

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50149685][I]Once[/I] had those abilities. Marksmanship isn't like riding a bike, it's a very perishable skill. You need practice consistently to hold onto any kind of proficiency. Which is also why 177 rounds isn't that much. You need to put hundreds, if not thousands of rounds downrange to achieve any level of proficiency in the first place, and at least a couple of hundred rounds at least once a month afterwards.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but if you're talking about a urban area, especially a European one, you don't exactly have to be a trained marksman to shoot someone.

[QUOTE=Morgen;50149579][IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/134DB/production/_85876097_homicides_guns_624_v3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] lol that's full of shit. 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000) in 2013 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States[/url] Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5 [url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=simkas;50149687]Oh yeah? And what if that highly trained soldier with 20 years of experience suddenly decides that he doesn't like how the government treats him or just feels like he wants to start doing crime? Then he becomes a serious fucking threat and he just so happens to have the guns and enough ammo to kill over a hundred people.[/QUOTE] I'm just gonna go ahead repost this [URL="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sas-man-who-killed-ex-970279"]here's a story about an Ex SAS soldier who murdered his Ex-Partner with an illegal AK47 war trophy because she cheated on him[/URL]

So glad this man was put in jail. After all the holdups and homicides he'd committed with these weapons it's lucky he's off the street for good. Only the police should arbitrarily be granted the right to carry a gun even though they are no more human than you or I.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50149665]Perhaps, but what kind of person honestly [I]needs[/I] a car capable of going 120mph? They could use it to evade the police, and, as I said before, vehicle accidents cause more deaths than gun violence. Don't the victims have rights, too? You don't need a car that can go over 65mph. We have speed limits here, this isn't Germany with their lunatic Autobahn.[/QUOTE] please expand on this if you feel cars that can go above 65mph are a legitimate threat and that you're not just using this utterly ridiculous comparison to win an internet argument

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50149646][B]Veterans typically aren't very mentally stable in the US you know[/B]. In the UK, where we treat our soldiers better, it is less bad, but being a veteran, if anything, makes it more likely he shouldn't have a gun.[/QUOTE] I take exception to this.

[QUOTE=Streecer;50149649]That isn't how statistics work [highlight]Yes it is? Your population is 65m, ours is 322m. Your country houses a little less than 20% of the population of America, which means it's easier for you to control the population and enact/enforce laws.[/highlight] A vast majority of guns used in crime are bought legally, they certainly aren't smuggled in from canada or mexico [highlight]Canada probably not. Mexico, yes, definitely. A HUGE amount of guns are smuggled in from Mexico.[/highlight] as it happens i really enjoy living as a brainwashed sheep with the freedom of not being shot, go figure, so do a lot of other UK citizens [highlight]That's funny because I enjoy living as a free individual who also has the freedom of not being shot. 24 years and I have yet to even come close to being shot and I used to live in some of the nastier parts of the country. The media blows gun violence in America so far out of proportion it isn't even funny. But here's the kicker, and it's the best part: I also have the freedom to defend my life with up to and including lethal force if need be. Whereas in your lovely nation if someone breaks into your home and cuts themselves on a kitchen knife, you're liable for their hospital bill. Go figure.[/highlight] how does mexico cause increased crime in the US? [highlight]Gee man I don't know, maybe it's the absolutely massive number of criminals? Could be the fact that their government is extremely corrupted. Possibly the whole "Basically run by drug cartels" thing. You know, everything that's been spilling over into America because we're the best market for their drugs.[/highlight] so you're implying that non-white people commit more violent crime, nice, puts the previous claim in perspective[/QUOTE] No, and the fact that you got that out of "your population is less diverse" speaks volumes of your mind and your reasoning capability. My point about our population being more diverse is that it makes it exponentially harder to effectively police, education, and take care of. Not only that but racial and ethnic bigotry and strife exist across all spectrum and the more culturally and racially diverse a nation is the more inherent strife exists because some people just CANNOT get along, and 1% of 320,000,000 is a hell of a lot more than 1% of 65,000,000

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149671]Careful mate. Telling Americans to move to the UK and set up petitions for looser firearm control could backfire on you. It would take less than 20% of our population to outnumber you.[/QUOTE] gl with that though, you wouldn't be able to take part in referendums for quite a few years, and with the way US politics are going right now you'd probably forget why you came over in that time.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50149685][I]Once[/I] had those abilities. Marksmanship isn't like riding a bike, it's a very perishable skill. You need practice consistently to hold onto any kind of proficiency. Which is also why 177 rounds isn't that much. You need to put hundreds, if not thousands of rounds downrange to achieve any level of proficiency in the first place, and at least a couple of hundred rounds at least once a month afterwards.[/QUOTE] you know that a guy with a shotgun and a handful of shells could probably murder half a dozen people quite easily (since that's happened before) an SAS squaddie with decades of military experience and training armed with a gun and 180 rounds could actually instigate a mass shooting and kill quite a few people

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149629]Yes let's go ahead and compare your 'successful' gun laws with America's and ignore the fact that: The UK has a population less than 20% of America's The UK shares no connected land border with any nation The UK is an isolated island state with a relatively small border which is easily monitored and policed The UK has a population of sheep that have accepted the fact that they live in a nanny state and seem to enjoy their near constant violations of privacy in the name of 'security' The UK does not have a lawless wasteland nation near enough to it that shit spills over The UK has a much less diverse population compared to America[/QUOTE] What? 1. Population density... heard of it? Ours is way higher which should lead to a higher rate when compared over the same amount of people. Yes your total could be higher while the rate was lower but it's not, our rate per 100k is much lower. 2. Maybe not but we do have the channel tunnel. Are you trying to say your gun violence problems are all Mexico's fault? 3. See 2. 4. The NSA seems to like invading your privacy just as much as the GCHQ. But hey if a higher life expectancy, lower crime rates, and a much lower chance of being shot to death then so be it. I'll be a sheep every day. 5. If Mexico really was that big of a deal the US is sort of known for interfering in other countries affairs. 6. The UK is a pretty diverse place as well.

[QUOTE=Azarath;50149717]So glad this man was put in jail. After all the holdups and homicides he'd committed with these weapons it's lucky he's off the street for good. Only the police should arbitrarily be granted the right to carry a gun even though they are no more human than you or I.[/QUOTE] Except that UK police do not carry guns.

[QUOTE=simkas;50149687]Oh yeah? And what if that highly trained soldier with 20 years of experience suddenly decides that he doesn't like how the government treats him or just feels like he wants to start doing crime? Then he becomes a serious fucking threat and he just so happens to have the guns and enough ammo to kill over a hundred people.[/QUOTE] People do not decide to "just start doing crime" that isn't how it fucking works you simpleton. There have to be socioeconomic factors to contribute to what is a very jarring shift in someone's personality. A man who has dedicated such a huge sum of his life does not suddenly go "You know what I think I'd like to rob a bank today". [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Streecer;50149696]a piece of metal that can kill people, right[/QUOTE] Oh you mean like a hammer? Or a crowbar? Or a screwdriver? How about a wrench, baseball bat, garden rake, or a shovel?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50149737]you know that a guy with a shotgun and a handful of shells could probably murder half a dozen people quite easily (since that's happened before) an SAS squaddie with decades of military experience and training armed with a gun and 180 rounds could actually instigate a mass shooting and kill quite a few people[/QUOTE] As I said though, unless he's been practicing consistently, his accuracy is going to be piss-poor. Handguns are not shotguns. You don't have nearly the level of control with a handgun, and a shotgun tends to be more forgiving in terms of accuracy, thanks to pellet-spread. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;50149751]Except that UK police do not carry guns.[/QUOTE] They have Firearms Units though.