An SAS Soldier who kept a pistol from Falklands War as a trophy gets 15 months in prison - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149760]People do not decide to "just start doing crime" that isn't how it fucking works you simpleton. There have to be socioeconomic factors to contribute to what is a very jarring shift in someone's personality. A man who has dedicated such a huge sum of his life does not suddenly go "You know what I think I'd like to rob a bank today".[/QUOTE] Then why does he need the gun? If he actually wanted it as a memory, why didn't he have it deactivated and make it legal? And in that case, why the hell did he have a bunch of bullets along with it? There's no reason he would have the gun, active and ready in working condition with a bunch of bullets that couldn't even have been brought back along with the gun if he really just wanted it for memories.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50149714]I'm just gonna go ahead repost this [URL="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sas-man-who-killed-ex-970279"]here's a story about an Ex SAS soldier who murdered his Ex-Partner with an illegal AK47 war trophy because she cheated on him[/URL][/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_passion#United_Kingdom]"Loss of control" in the murder of unfaithful women by their male partners was considered acceptable as a reason to kill by Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge of England, the murder of the wife of Jon Clinton by Jon was examined by Lord Judge who ordered a retrial, overturning the original life sentence and allowing the infidelity of his wife to be entered as evidence.[/url]

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;50149770]They have Firearms Units though.[/QUOTE] Yeah and they're highly trained and prepared in how to use guns in a dangerous situation.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50149734]gl with that though, you wouldn't be able to take part in referendums for quite a few years, and with the way US politics are going right now you'd probably forget why you came over in that time.[/QUOTE] We wouldn't forget. We'd come up with a catchy slogan to remind us, and plaster it all over your nation. "Make England Great Again" You poor, poor fallen Empire you.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149786][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_passion#United_Kingdom]"Loss of control" in the murder of unfaithful women by their male partners was considered acceptable as a reason to kill by Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge of England, the murder of the wife of Jon Clinton by Jon was examined by Lord Judge who ordered a retrial, overturning the original life sentence and allowing the infidelity of his wife to be entered as evidence.[/url][/QUOTE] Are you actually using that as legit proof of your point?

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149760] Oh you mean like a hammer? Or a crowbar? Or a screwdriver? How about a wrench, baseball bat, garden rake, or a shovel?[/QUOTE] Well it'd be quite a feat to kill several people across the street with a shovel.

[QUOTE=simkas;50149782]Then why does he need the gun? If he actually wanted it as a memory, why didn't he have it deactivated and make it legal? And in that case, why the hell did he have a bunch of bullets along with it? There's no reason he would have the gun, active and ready in working condition with a bunch of bullets that couldn't even have been brought back along with the gun if he really just wanted it for memories.[/QUOTE] Is the concept of sport shooting so foreign to you that you just cannot wrap your mind around the concept of wanting to spend an hour or two shooting a gun at a range? Come off it. I KNOW Denmark has a gun culture, I know you fuckers like to hunt and target shoot too. Stop acting like it's out of the question that someone would enjoy shooting a gun at paper targets. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;50149793]Are you actually using that as legit proof of your point?[/QUOTE] No I'm using it to refute his particular point. "Crimes of Passion" have long been accepted as semi-justifiable and resulted in reduced or removed sentences for those who committed the crime.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149799]Is the concept of sport shooting so foreign to you that you just cannot wrap your mind around the concept of wanting to spend an hour or two shooting a gun at a range? Come off it. I KNOW Denmark has a gun culture, I know you fuckers like to hunt and target shoot too. Stop acting like it's out of the question that someone would enjoy shooting a gun at paper targets.[/QUOTE] That's a bullshit excuse. Maybe I like to spend my time blowing up empty buildings or trees or something? Maybe I like to spend my time driving my car and doing donuts in empty streets? Just because it's something that people like to do in their free time doesn't make it find when it's something that's extremely dangerous. Especially in the case of guns, which are something specifically designed to kill things. Also I'm not Danish, I just live here for the time. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149799]No I'm using it to refute his particular point. "Crimes of Passion" have long been accepted as semi-justifiable and resulted in reduced or removed sentences for those who committed the crime.[/QUOTE] Okay, and? That makes it okay that an ex-SAS guy went made and murdered his friend? Oh yeah it was a "crime of passion" so it's totally okay.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149799]Is the concept of sport shooting so foreign to you that you just cannot wrap your mind around the concept of wanting to spend an hour or two shooting a gun at a range? Come off it. I KNOW Denmark has a gun culture, I know you fuckers like to hunt and target shoot too. Stop acting like it's out of the question that someone would enjoy shooting a gun at paper targets. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] No I'm using it to refute his particular point. "Crimes of Passion" have long been accepted as semi-justifiable and resulted in reduced or removed sentences for those who committed the crime.[/QUOTE] At this point i know im feeding the obtuse troll but this isnt for you. My point is an ex SAS soldier who's so high and mighty in the eyes of the world still manged to fucking snap and kill someone, the bonus points go to him for doing it with an illegal firearm he should not have had.

[QUOTE=DeEz;50149797]Well it'd be quite a feat to kill several people across the street with a shovel.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312)[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houla_massacre[/url] ??? I mean it's not a shovel but still. Hell, the Houla Massacre is deadlier than any shooting attack in America to date, and a lot of the Chinese knifings are on par with some of our worst shootings.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50149703]lol that's full of shit. 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000) in 2013 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States[/url] Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5 [url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm[/url][/QUOTE] The figures are from the UN. [url]https://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149632]This is a pathetic mindset. The man served his country for [i]twenty two[/i] years. That's more than most of us have even been alive. And you're going to have the audacity to imply that he's going to use the firearm to, what, needlessly attack and kill the men and women he's dedicated his entire life to protecting? Disgusting.[/QUOTE] you're right, he's not likely to do that, which is why they weren't concerned about the possibility [QUOTE]'[B]In the wrong hands[/B] these weapons could lead to the death of police officers or cause all sorts of mayhem,' Judge Plunkett told Hereford Crown Court. 'It is this risk that Parliament is concerned about.'[/QUOTE] if they were worried he was planning on actually doing anything with the guns then they could have easily gone for a much harsher sentence, but they didn't because it's explicitly burglars and arms dealers they're worried about. just being "hidden" in his cellar with four other (probably pretty expensive) guns and several boxes of ammo isn't enough, at minimum these should be in a safe, kept separately from the ammo, and registered.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149792]We wouldn't forget. We'd come up with a catchy slogan to remind us, and plaster it all over your nation. "Make England Great Again" You poor, poor fallen Empire you.[/QUOTE] i don't see what's so bad about not having an empire. the british people live much better off and have happier and healthier lives than when we did under the empire britain is already great, we don't need to go back to the days of the empire

Why is some US gun maniac so obsessed with getting guns into Britain when clearly noone wants them

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50149869]Why is some US gun maniac so obsessed with getting guns into Britain when clearly noone wants them[/QUOTE] "Maniac" Excuse me the proper term is "Enthusiast" thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149898]"Maniac" Excuse me the proper term is "Enthusiast" thank you very much.[/QUOTE] anybody who feels the need to have a deadly weapon on hand very much fits my criteria as a maniac

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50149727]Whereas in your lovely nation if someone breaks into your home and cuts themselves on a kitchen knife, you're liable for their hospital bill. Go figure.[/QUOTE] What hospital bill? How many robbers do you know who can afford private healthcare? lmao. Your "nanny state" rhetoric is genuinely making me cringe- I don't think I know a single person who is happy about the shit our government get's up to, but I don't see how having a pistol in my pocket is going to make me feel any better about their antics- funny enough there is a middle ground between "blissfully ignorant sheep" and "Maniac on the way to gun down the government". Guns aren't impossible to get here if you aren't a total nut case and you have a clean criminal record. I could probably get one if I cared for the idea enough, but id have to meet all of the safety and security measures required. The UK is fine without lax gun laws thank you, and I don't think we need any advice on the matter from citizens of a country where people frequently get shot dead by toddlers and dogs hahaha.

[QUOTE=Streecer;50149919]anybody who feels the need to have a deadly weapon on hand very much fits my criteria as a maniac[/QUOTE] Then you're delusional.

[QUOTE=Megadave;50148557]Thank god we will never have these shitty laws here. [/QUOTE] [img]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2012/12/firearm-OECD-UN-data3.jpg[/img] hallelujah.

[QUOTE=Streecer;50149919]anybody who feels the need to have a deadly weapon on hand very much fits my criteria as a maniac[/QUOTE] Anyone who's afraid of inanimate objects and the people who own them to me I consider to be a maniac too, so that can go both ways my friend.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50149988]Anyone who's afraid of inanimate objects and the people who own them to me I consider to be a maniac too, so that can go both ways my friend.[/QUOTE] So would you classify victims of, let's say, the Sandy Hook shootings as maniacs?

[QUOTE=AK'z;50149963][img]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2012/12/firearm-OECD-UN-data3.jpg[/img] hallelujah.[/QUOTE] Holy shit a decent data chart that still makes it seem like way more of a problem than it actually is. 3.5 people out of 100,000 is still better than 1 out of every 4 people, like heart disease's mortality rate. And again, 2/3rds of those deaths that are included are listed suicides, so remove 2/3rds of the gun deaths from suicide alone and we'd be behind Chile. This is why people bring up mental health when they talk about guns, because it is easier to kill yourself with a gun and it's pretty conclusive.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50150009]Holy shit a decent data chart that still makes it seem like way more of a problem than it actually is. 3.5 people out of 100,000 is still better than 1 out of every 4 people, like heart disease's mortality rate. And again, 2/3rds of those deaths that are included are listed suicides, so remove 2/3rds of the gun deaths from suicide alone and we'd be behind Chile. This is why people bring up mental health when they talk about guns, because it is easier to kill yourself with a gun and it's pretty conclusive.[/QUOTE] heart disease isn't homicide, you're being intentionally disingenuous, this isn't an debate about heart disease, it never was

[QUOTE=DeEz;50150004]So would you classify victims of, let's say, the Sandy Hook shootings as maniacs?[/QUOTE] For wanting to sue gun manufacturers for something they couldn't foresee, fuck yes. They deserve the right to grieve, to be mad and the want for recompense, and I do feel sorry for them, but trying to sue gun manufacturers because "their products can be misused." is a terrible precedent. So can cars, home tools like hammers and axes, a whole lot of other shit. Also way to play "Asking Questions, By Wolf Blitzer." [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Streecer;50150033]heart disease isn't homicide, you're being intentionally disingenuous, this isn't an debate about heart disease, it never was[/QUOTE] It's a debate about death in the US and you're trying to make it out like we live in a warzone and guns are a very very constant problem, when the fact of the matter is cars kill more than guns in a single year. What you see as an issue, to me is nothing compared to others. That is what I'm trying, very simply, to get at. And also ignore the part where I say 2/3rds of those gun deaths are suicide, just talk about me talking about heart disease, the #1 killer of Americans. If 2/3rds of those gun deaths from suicide were removed, at least in this hypothetical, wouldn't that place the US behind Chile and more in line with the rest of the world in their homicide rates?

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50150036]For wanting to sue gun manufacturers for something they couldn't foresee, fuck yes. They deserve the right to grieve, to be mad and the want for recompense, and I do feel sorry for them, but trying to sue gun manufacturers because "their products can be misused." is a terrible precedent. So can cars, home tools like hammers and axes, a whole lot of other shit. Also way to play "Asking Questions, By Wolf Blitzer." [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] It's a debate about death in the US and you're trying to make it out like we live in a warzone and guns are a very very constant problem, when the fact of the matter is cars kill more than guns in a single year. What you see as an issue, to me is nothing compared to others. That is what I'm trying, very simply, to get at. And also ignore the part where I say 2/3rds of those gun deaths are suicide, just talk about me talking about heart disease, the #1 killer of Americans.[/QUOTE] nobody is trying to portray the us as a warzone??? we use cars to get around, they are an essential part of daily life for most people, similarly we use other public transport like trains, buses and planes guns are used to kill, they are NOT an essential part of daily life and only have one purpose that is harmful to others, they are unnecessary, and thus lead to unnecessary deaths guns have also been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide being successful this dumb argument is trotted out in every thread, and it's pathetic

[QUOTE=Streecer;50150074]nobody is trying to portray the us as a warzone??? [/QUOTE] See, you say this, then you do this. [QUOTE=Streecer;50150074]we use cars to get around, they are an essential part of daily life for most people, similarly we use other public transport like trains, buses and planes [B]guns are used to kill[/B], they are NOT an essential part of daily life and only have one purpose that is harmful to others, they are unnecessary, and thus lead to unnecessary deaths guns have also been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide being successful this dumb argument is trotted out in every thread, and it's pathetic[/QUOTE] You completely ignore that guns can be used for 1) Sport and competition shooting and 2) For enjoyment as a hobby. Like everyone else you go straight to "they're meant to kill". It's obvious they can kill, no one doubts this, but how you act like gun owners themselves are a problem is pathetic to me. How is someone wanting a gun for their own personal enjoyment, in this instance me, a maniac because I wanted to own a gun? And, mind you, killing things was the farthest thing on my mind when I decided to get into firearms, I wanted a target rifle. Nothing more.

[QUOTE=Streecer;50150074]nobody is trying to portray the us as a warzone??? we use cars to get around, they are an essential part of daily life for most people, similarly we use other public transport like trains, buses and planes guns are used to kill, they are NOT an essential part of daily life and only have one purpose that is harmful to others, they are unnecessary, and thus lead to unnecessary deaths guns have also been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide being successful this dumb argument is trotted out in every thread, and it's pathetic[/QUOTE] your argument hinges on "guns only have one purpose and that is to harm others" which is objectively false try again i own 13 firearms, the majority of which are historic pieces going on or in excess of a century old, which i have never harmed anyone with yet shoot regularly as a hobby. there goes the entire basis of your claim. poof. vanished. do you have anything else?? im guessing not, since youre just repeating propaganda without any thought on the matter

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50150125]your argument hinges on "guns only have one purpose and that is to harm others" which is objectively false try again i own 13 firearms, the majority of which are historic pieces going on or in excess of a century old, which i have never harmed anyone with yet shoot regularly[/QUOTE] i wonder what they were made for

Guns are pretty essential part of daily life here, they're needed by hunters to keep the deer population in check, otherwise they run out into the interstates and kill people. Even then its not enough as the city has to bring in specialists since they keep wandering into the city and hurting people, damn things are like massive rats. Even the MN DNR website says this, if you don't believe me

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50150143]i wonder what they were made for[/QUOTE] well i can tell you what they were made for and i can tell you what theyre currently doing 1851 colt navy replica - target shooting (CAS) 1873 colt peacemaker replica - target shooting (CAS) 1906 sxs 12 gauge - hunting game 1915 mauser c96 - demonstrating to the imperial navy that mauser's self loading sidearm was viable 1924 remington model 10 - fbi gun, probably used during prohibition for raiding shiners 1942 mosin nagant 91/30 - russia's primary infantry rifle during ww2 1944 lee enfield no 4 mk1 - britain's primary infantry rifle during ww2 1945 mauser karabiner 98k - germany's primary infantry rifle during ww2 savage something 22lr bolt action, marlin 60 22lr semi, ar15 target gun, etc all manufactured and set up for hobby target shooting annnd some others i dont have them all with me but the point is i own them because the history they represent is fascinating and it's fun to take them to the range and shoot paper and junk i've never shot anyone, i don't own them for shooting people, ergo they are serving a purpose other than shooting people, so the "u can only shoot people with a gun" argument is bullshit. you have to be willfully ignorant to reach this conclusion, like to the extent of literally sticking your fingers in your ears and covering your eyes so you can pretend nobody in the world does anything but murder people with guns