I don't see this as something that great we still need to stop fucking the planet not just come up with ways of stopping it showing in places.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38791261]Geo engineering isn't something to be taken lightly. One wrong move and you get godzilla fucking up downtown Tokyo [I]again[/I].[/QUOTE]
AGAIN?
If this is implemented with totalitarian climate change measures we could be rid of global warming
Can we just dig a big hole in the earth somewhere, use that dirt to protect coasts, then dig a channel for the rising sea waters to enter the hole?
[QUOTE=Coffee;38794051]Can we just dig a big hole in the earth somewhere, use that dirt to protect coasts, then dig a channel for the rising sea waters to enter the hole?[/QUOTE]
yeah sure, now we just have to find out:
who's going to fund it.
who's going to allow it
how to transport it all to the coast.
and how to stop the magma from destroying all the equipment because that's how far you'd have to dig down to even get a FRACTION of the water to stop rising
[QUOTE=IPK;38791325]Just move a bunch of cities a little inner mainland.[/QUOTE]
please elaborate on the "moving a city" part of that idea, i'm intruiged
[QUOTE=Drakehawke;38794337]please elaborate on the "moving a city" part of that idea, i'm intruiged[/QUOTE]
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PUSH.... [B]HARDER[/B]
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;38794113]yeah sure, now we just have to find out:
who's going to fund it.
who's going to allow it
how to transport it all to the coast.
and how to stop the magma from destroying all the equipment because that's how far you'd have to dig down to even get a FRACTION of the water to stop rising[/QUOTE]
It's simple.
Take a chunk of North Africa, Libya perhaps?
employ all the Libyans for a really low pay, supply them with digging machines, fuel and engineer supervisors.
Then you dig down slightly past the point where water boils, so then you let the water fall down into the hole.
Now at the same time you also have pipes at the side with massive suction systems in them that pull up the evaporated gases whilst they precipitate, then you end up with desalinated water at the same time, then with this cleaner water, you barrel/bottle it up and then you distribute the clean water throughout Africa.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;38790186]but, and please correct me if i'm wrong.
isn't the ice caps melting.. normal?
i'm pretty sure the fact we still have them means we are still in an 'ice-age'
isn't this part of the planets natural cycle?[/QUOTE]
no. Ice caps are due to you know the earth being round and reciveving less sunlight at the poles. There is no "Natural cycle" for a planet, but we aren't supposed to see change that dramatically
.
[QUOTE=Coffee;38794566]It's simple.
Take a chunk of North Africa, Libya perhaps?
employ all the Libyans for a really low pay, supply them with digging machines, fuel and engineer supervisors.
Then you dig down slightly past the point where water boils, so then you let the water fall down into the hole.
Now at the same time you also have pipes at the side with massive suction systems in them that pull up the evaporated gases whilst they precipitate, then you end up with desalinated water at the same time, then with this cleaner water, you barrel/bottle it up and then you distribute the clean water throughout Africa.[/QUOTE]
Coffee for president 2012
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;38794578]no. Ice caps are due to you know the earth being round and reciveving less sunlight at the poles. There is no "Natural cycle" for a planet, but we aren't supposed to see change that dramatically
.[/QUOTE]
It's happening faster than we would expect it to (it's pretty much a guarantee we're accelerating the process), but the melting of the ice caps is definitely a normal process. The planet has gone through plenty of ice ages, each ending when the poles are devoid of ice. Technically, we're still in an ice age. What's important is the rate of change, not the fact that it's happening in the first place.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;38795041]It's happening faster than we would expect it to (it's pretty much a guarantee we're accelerating the process), but the melting of the ice caps is definitely a normal process. The planet has gone through plenty of ice ages, each ending when the poles are devoid of ice. Technically, we're still in an ice age. What's important is the rate of change, not the fact that it's happening in the first place.[/QUOTE]
what different from that time to now is that we have built a civilization dependent on the current state of the planet, if this occured over the coarse of 1000 years we could easily adjust but not in 100
So let me get this straight:
If we do this to too little of a degree, it doesn't have enough of an effect, [b]OR[/b]
We do it too much and over-freeze the ice-caps, dropping the global temperature farther than it needs to be and fucking up the weather all over the place?
Sounds pretty simple, lets do it :v:
/s
Reading the thread title just makes me picture a bunch of scientists with freeze rays shooting freeze beams at melting glaciers and reconstructing them
i want in on this
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38796804]So let me get this straight:
If we do this to too little of a degree, it doesn't have enough of an effect, [b]OR[/b]
We do it too much and over-freeze the ice-caps, dropping the global temperature farther than it needs to be and fucking up the weather all over the place?
Sounds pretty simple, lets do it :v:
/s[/QUOTE]
Welcome to geoengineering. It either works, has zero effect, or fucks up everything.
[QUOTE=OvB;38796882]Welcome to geoengineering. It either works, has zero effect, or fucks up everything.[/QUOTE]
That's... terrifying :v:
why don't we just turn down the earth's thermostat
it's gotta be around here somewhere
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38797190]why don't we just turn down the earth's thermostat
it's gotta be around here somewhere[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;38795041]It's happening faster than we would expect it to (it's pretty much a guarantee we're accelerating the process), but the melting of the ice caps is definitely a normal process. The planet has gone through plenty of ice ages, each ending when the poles are devoid of ice. Technically, we're still in an ice age. What's important is the rate of change, not the fact that it's happening in the first place.[/QUOTE]
We've had threads like this before.
And it comes down to this:
In all of earths history, there have been much HOTTER and much COLDER time periods, they are associated with: Volcanic Activity, and the Sun.
Humans have very little impact on the atmosphere, I'd posted results here before on how much CO2 is actually "let" out into the atmosphere, and the REAL number is ridiculously small (Real number is under 1%), but the "used" number is around %4, still a small number: nothing that would cause serious changes in climate.
The earth has gone through many stages, this is why animals die off, its is NATURAL for species to go extinct.
Now: In light of all of this, I think conserving energy, funding better energy sources (Nuclear, Fusion) and finding ways to use LESS is wonderful. But we have to see through politicians just using fear tactics and misconstruing data for their own use.
[QUOTE=jaredop;38790261]Why don't we all just leave our freezer doors open???
Boom problem solved, no need to thank me[/QUOTE]
Fridges and freezers actually produce a lot of heat when they are on a cooling cycle. They would heat up the environment more than they would cool it down.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38791426]What about the Netherlands?[/QUOTE]
We get two of every plant, herd them onto a large boat, and then we smoke the crap out of all of them.
[QUOTE=V12US;38799059]Fridges and freezers actually produce a lot of heat when they are on a cooling cycle. They would heat up the environment more than they would cool it down.
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Well, you're just converting / moving energy with heat-pumps: But yes, since nothing is 100%+ efficient, some of the input energy gets converted to heat / sound / etc, more than is used to move the heat energy from inside to outside.
I have this really nice Thermodynamics VHS tape, has an excellent example: maybe I should find it and convert it to digital and youtube it.
Haha, take that people, we dont need to use electrical cars now!
By the time we face extinction, i doubt even then our governments will give a fuck about climate change
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38791108]it doesn't matter if it's "normal" or "man-made" or whatever. the fact is that the earth is heating too fast for ecosystems to adapt. if we begin having a bunch of extinctions then our planet might become inhospitable to us.
anything we can do to avert this is crucial.[/QUOTE]
Where the hell were you during the other extinctions? If you would have cared you could have saved the dinosaurs! THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS! YOU SCREWED THE DINOSAURS!
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[QUOTE=DrBreen;38799971]By the time we face extinction, i doubt even then our governments will give a fuck about climate change[/QUOTE]
If we are close to extinction, I doubt we would be at a point where we would have government...
All I know is that to agree with this you must be completely oblivious or prefer fantasy fuck yeah science as opposed to reality. Whatever the case, if the idiots end up doing this stupid geo-engineering shit, expect to see multiple articles in the far future asking what we should be doing to contain the repercussions unleashed from this asinine idea.
Just let that shit melt already.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;38790275]Ahahah!
It's funny because the planet is actually in a cool stage just now and it's leaving it, we're effecting the rate of change but we're not the cause of global warming.[/QUOTE]
I shot a guy in the face, but who cares, he was going to die eventually anyway
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