"Rally for Humanity", a Nationwide Anti-Muslim Protest, to Take Place Saturday
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[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48869964]You're right, it totally doesn't happen....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9L_zEZflFQ[/media][/QUOTE]
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your biased video counters your own argument
if you had bothered to even watch the video yourself you'd hear the reporter himself saying of course it's not the majority of muslims
not to mention the only "evidence" provided in your garbage video could easily be fake and be some assholes who aren't even muslims
stop with the disgusting hate-mongering, that shit's seriously dangerous
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48869964]You're right, it totally doesn't happen....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9L_zEZflFQ[/media][/QUOTE]
Like a minute and a half into the video, the guy says the people involved are the minority and most reasonable Muslims are calling them out for being harassing assholes who eventually get taken care of by the official law. I kinda sympathize with that first muslim dude, though; nobody wants drunks being a menance in their neighborhoods.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870006][img]http://i.imgur.com/QZUFEo7.png[/img]
your biased video counters your own argument
if you had bothered to even watch the video yourself you'd hear the reporter himself saying of course it's not the majority of muslims
not to mention the only "evidence" provided in your garbage video could easily be fake and be some assholes who aren't even muslims
stop with the disgusting hate-mongering, that shit's seriously dangerous[/QUOTE]
You can debate it and call it fake all you want but it still happens. I know that not ALL Muslims are like this, I never said they all were. Don't put words in my mouth. Biased, unbiased, it happens rather you like it or not. And its people like you bending over thinking that it's "nothing to be concerned about" is the reason it happens in the first place.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols[/url]
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870020]You can debate it and call it fake all you want but it still happens. I know that not ALL Muslims are like this, I never said they all were. Don't put words in my mouth. Biased, unbiased, it happens rather you like it or not. And its people like you bending over thinking that it's "nothing to be concerned about" is the reason it happens in the first place.[/QUOTE]
oh my god you cannot be real, there is no way you're not a gimmick
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870029]oh my god you cannot be real, there is no way you're not a gimmick[/QUOTE]
Look, dude, I just don't want anymore of these stupid "Sharia Patrol" gangs popping up. That's really all I said.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870039]Look, dude, I just don't want anymore of these stupid "Sharia Patrol" gangs popping up. That's really all I said.[/QUOTE]
you're afraid of something that doesn't exist
you're just another coward that has bought into fear-mongering
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870039]Look, dude, I just don't want anymore of these stupid "Sharia Patrol" gangs popping up. That's really all I said.[/QUOTE]To be honest with you I highly doubt that happens in the US, maybe I'm wrong but there wasn't even "sharia patrols" in Little Mogadishu down in the Cities.
Then again nobody takes Somalians seriously anyway because everyone universally hates them, so... I don't know.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870048]you're afraid of something that doesn't exist
you're just another coward that has bought into fear-mongering[/QUOTE]
Are you going to actually argue my point or just claim that I'm crazy? H'okay... :v:
"It could be fake" is really your only argument... I don't know that and quite frankly, from the sound of it, you don't know for sure either. Either way, fake or not, that's something I definitely would not want happening around here.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48869975]You're absolutely right and I'm not going to argue with you about that, I agree he was in the wrong.
Still, the federal government didn't go in despite their very not-nice reputation regarding this sort of thing. They fucked over Native Americans [U]several[/U] times, specifically the BLM, and any legal claims against the feds flat-out got dismissed. I mean on one hand you have a racist shithead tax dodger and then you have the US government on the other... Honestly I'm going to have to say everyone involved is kinda not great at all.
No no, I'm not talking about MAD, I'm talking about nukes in the sense that the militias are North Korea in that analogy. Despite obvious casus belli, nobody's actually fucked with North Korea and still wouldn't even without China's backing. It's just more trouble than it's worth, so talking to them is a better alternative.
I'm not going to disagree with you, I've bumped shoulders with these types a lot but the ones that are actually visible tend to be two types: wary of the government, or wary of the government with some severe religious and/or racial flavoring. Most of the militia groups out there really are basically very enthusiastic gun clubs that have this big political thing where they go on and on about "thuh gubment." When they're actually needed it isn't for fighting off UN troops taking over America (seriously, I'm not joking people believe that) it's 100% of the time disaster relief, food shelf stuff, or community projects.
Honestly they're not even remotely dangerous when you get down to it because our government really isn't in the business of shooting it's citizens for no reason. That's why they backed down at the Bundy standoff, we just don't live under the thumb of a tyrannical government no matter how badly the current one fucks up from time to time.[/QUOTE]
I support chill community-oriented militias who help people compared to the crazy innawoods, NWO-believing militias. The government is completely fair in monitoring the not-so-harmless militias while letting the peaceful ones be.
Honestly, some miltias are dangerous. Harmless people don't spend their time "protesting" peaceful muslims while they're armed to the teeth with assault rifles and decked-out in combat gear.
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870020]You can debate it and call it fake all you want but it still happens. I know that not ALL Muslims are like this, I never said they all were. Don't put words in my mouth. Biased, unbiased, it happens rather you like it or not. And its people like you bending over thinking that it's "nothing to be concerned about" is the reason it happens in the first place.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols[/url][/QUOTE]
I read the wikipedia article and Jesus, look what I found: [url]http://newobserveronline.com/british-campaign-group-launches-christian-patrols-to-counteract-muslim-patrols-in-east-london/[/url] Why is nobody speaking out against these threatening Christian thugs enforcing biblical law in the streets of London?!
[QUOTE=axelord157;48870068]I support chill community-oriented militias who help people compared to the crazy innawoods, NWO-believing militias. The government is completely fair in monitoring the not-so-harmless militias while letting the peaceful ones be.[/QUOTE]Well you really can't separate the chill ones with the guys who believe in the NWO... Most of the reason why I don't hang out with those people is because I don't feel like having a heart attack over that shit. I'd get so pissed off because somebody kept going on about HAARP or chemtrails or some shit and my heart would just fucking explode and I'd die after spluttering out how they're a goddamn moron.
[QUOTE=axelord157;48870068]Honestly, some miltias are dangerous. Harmless people don't spend their time "protesting" peaceful muslims while they're armed to the teeth with assault rifles and decked-out in combat gear.[/QUOTE]Most of the people you will see at this protest will be fully tacticool hamurai warriors, Most of the people you will see at this protest will be fully tacticool hamurai warriors, they really are harmless and I highly doubt anything will come of this.
Though let's be honest here, I'm not going to be surprised if somebody shows up to burn a Qur'an or have a picture of "the pedophile prophet" or some other inflammatory bullshit and it sparks a full-on batshit-on-batshit loon fight.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870029]oh my god you cannot be real, there is no way you're not a gimmick[/QUOTE]
you must be pretty sheltered if you think that the opinion he has is one that no real person could have
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870065]Are you going to actually argue my point or just claim that I'm crazy? H'okay... :v:
"It could be fake" is really your only argument... I don't know that and quite frankly, from the sound of it, you don't know for sure either. Either way, fake or not, that's something I definitely would not want happening around here.[/QUOTE]
oh i dunno, maybe i know how absurd you are because i grew up in a family of muslims and have been around muslims my entire life?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48869594]So libertarianism is a bad thing? [I]Wow.[/I]
You try to paint militias as the absolute worst individuals possible that "need to be destroyed" and frankly I'm glad they exist so people like you are kept in check. For all of their faults, I'm glad they're here because I wouldn't want to live in whatever fucked up authoritarian world you'd like to have.[/QUOTE]
How are people who wave a gun at you to enforce their world view not authoritarian?
That's pretty much all these militias are.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870128]oh i dunno, maybe i know how absurd you are because i grew up in a family of muslims and have been around muslims my entire life?[/QUOTE]
...Cool? Not all Muslims are peaceful. Not all Muslims are extremists. Don't say I'm wrong when there's a VERY LARGE middle ground on the spectrum.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870176]...Cool? Not all Muslims are peaceful. Not all Muslims are extremists. Don't say I'm wrong when there's a VERY LARGE middle ground on the spectrum.[/QUOTE]
no there is not
you are wrong
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870204]no there is not
you are wrong[/QUOTE]
Not even gonna anymore...... Just.... Wow
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48869594]So libertarianism is a bad thing? [I]Wow.[/I]
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yes.
now go burn your copies of Ayan Rand's Atlas Shrugged and for the love of god and state, don't name your kids after her
militias don't keep the gubment in check in the US, they haven't since we've had a full time professional army
So what's your point. If Muslims that support sharia law are so sparse in America why bother protesting it.
And how do you know many of these protesters aren't just bigots who throw that up as a "rational reason" to justify their hate?
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870020]You can debate it and call it fake all you want but it still happens. I know that not ALL Muslims are like this, I never said they all were. Don't put words in my mouth. Biased, unbiased, it happens rather you like it or not. And its people like you bending over thinking that it's "nothing to be concerned about" is the reason it happens in the first place.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm sure the hundreds of active British posters on this forum owned by an englishmen can tell you this shit is blown way out of proportion.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48869964]You're right, it totally doesn't happen....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9L_zEZflFQ[/media]
I may not agree with how these people are going about the protest, but do you truly want this happening, possibly where you live? If you do, then you're the delusional one.[/QUOTE]
the big hypocricy i see is that they have a huge problem with alcohol yet somehow don't bat an eye on a 12 pack a day smoking habit
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;48870281]I'm sure the hundreds of active British posters on this forum owned by an englishmen can tell you this shit is blown way out of proportion.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. Probably. Not sure, I don't live there. I just see what I see (on more than one occasion mind you) and get angry about it because... I don't like it. I don't see who would.
they should rally against all abrahamic religions, since they are exactly the same
[QUOTE=axelord157;48869836]I don't think you understand the concept of MAD. MAD is when equally armed nations/forces are locked into a grand Mexican standoff. Militias are nowhere equal to the power of The US army.
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The military strength of the US Army (which would never be used domestically) over the minimal strength of self made militia groups is actually it's very weakness.
Just imagine across all the major news channels: "Federal agents (or US Army since that's what you think would be called upon) massacres protester group in armed stand off"
Do you not know of the shit storm that happened because of Waco?
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870048]you're afraid of something that doesn't exist
you're just another coward that has bought into fear-mongering[/QUOTE]
Jesus fucking christ, dude.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870204]no there is not
you are wrong[/QUOTE]
Says who?
[QUOTE=JerryK;48870128]oh i dunno, maybe i know how absurd you are because i grew up in a family of muslims and have been around muslims my entire life?[/QUOTE]
Surely you can tell us more about muslim culture, yes?
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
Care to enlighten us on why If NoobieWafer223 is wrong, instead of dismissing everything with "lolol fake", "lolol you're wrong", please?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48870504]Jesus fucking christ, dude.
Says who?
Surely you can tell us more about muslim culture, yes?
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
Care to enlighten us on why If NoobieWafer223 is wrong, instead of dismissing everything with "lolol fake", "lolol you're wrong", please?[/QUOTE]
Ignore him, man. He's really just offended because he's Muslim, apparently. That's his biggest argument.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48870504]Jesus fucking christ, dude.
Says who?
Surely you can tell us more about muslim culture, yes?
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
Care to enlighten us on why If NoobieWafer223 is wrong, instead of dismissing everything with "lolol fake", "lolol you're wrong", please?[/QUOTE]
Uh no, he doesn't need to enlighten you about Muslim culture to tell you how fucking kneejerk of a reaction it is to assume that these Sharia law "enforcers" are really enough of a threat to even be marginally worried about. Of course when they show up in videos with regularity of course people are going to assume it's becoming increasingly common and go "welp, time to be spooked".
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870540]Ignore him, man. He's really just offended because he's Muslim, apparently. That's his biggest argument.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well, seems like he can't offer a rebuttal other than "yer wrong hurr durr", "zomg yyour brainwashed hahah", "I'm muslim, therefore your argument is invalid".
If that's all he could muster, instead of a half-decent, informative rebuttal, then it's no wonder there's people out there with complete misconceptions about Muslim culture going rampant everywhere. They should be the first ones debunking prejudice.
But "lolol its fake :^)" should do, right JerryK?
[QUOTE=PelPix123;48870557]When it comes to Islam, it's not much different from any other religion. The important question to ask is: how by-the-book are they? Islamic, Jewish, and Christian texts all have some sort of conversion mandate or colonization plan. It's just a matter of whether or not the people follow it. I wouldn't say Islam is much different than Judaism or Christianity. One might say Muslim people on average just tend to practice their religion more consistently and faithfully compared to Christian and Jewish people who largely ignore their books.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, Jews have no religious calling to convert people and the desire for a Jewish homeland is more out of ethnic causes than religious ones.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;48870566]Uh no, he doesn't need to enlighten you about Muslim culture to tell you how fucking kneejerk of a reaction it is to assume that these Sharia law "enforcers" are really enough of a threat to even be marginally worried about. Of course when they show up in videos with regularity of course people are going to assume it's becoming increasingly common and go "welp, time to be spooked".[/QUOTE]
Slow your roll, bud. I'm not entirely fucking nuts. The protest is against SHARIA LAW BEING ACTIVE. I know that the Sharia Enforcement whatever will probably never get off the ground, I'm not scared of it, I just don't want it to happen. At all. Whatsoever. Even if in a small amount. Any amount is a wrong amount.
It's not their right to enforce anything or try to bypass our own American laws for their own. It just doesn't work that way and they NEED to realize that.
Here's an idea: If they want an area under Sharia Law, give them Reservations like the Native Americans. Their own land, law, way of life. Separate from ours. They do them, we do we.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48869594]So libertarianism is a bad thing? [I]Wow.[/I]
You try to paint militias as the absolute worst individuals possible that "need to be destroyed" and frankly I'm glad they exist so people like you are kept in check. For all of their faults, I'm glad they're here because I wouldn't want to live in whatever fucked up authoritarian world you'd like to have.[/QUOTE]
Libertarianism is just one more ridiculous concept in a long line of unworkable ideologies that claims to have all the answers to our woes when it's nothing new or special. Society is based on collectivism for starters, not individualism, and the fact that libertarianism tries to operate completely contrary to this only proves how fucking stupid it is. Beyond that, it's never been implemented successfully anywhere. And it never will be. Like communism, it's another foolish utopian promise that never gets anywhere. Were you in the Ron Paul crowd or something?
And militias aren't keeping me in check lol. You can fantasize about this dogshit all you want; fact is I'm right-- that they're usually the ones causing trouble in the first place-- and the government isn't going to let them get out of hand. The Oath Keepers have had a notorious reputation for poor judgement: Sugar Mine, White Hope Mine (when they sided with miners who were illegally mining and hacking trees down in a Helena National Forest), the hilarious fiasco that was the Bundy Standoff, and here more recently [url=http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/kim_davis_won_t_be_arrested_again_promises_patriot_militia_group_that_waged_cliven_bundy_standoff]they've been supporting Kim Davis[/url]. They are wrong in their beliefs, and they are on the wrong side of history; maybe you want to tolerate them, but most Americans (and more importantly, the American government) still don't.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48869600]Would like to point out that the militia movement and white supremacist movement died down on its own [I]a lot[/I] after the Oklahoma City Bombing. [b]When it comes to putting action to words, the overwhelming majority die down.[/b][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Thank you.
Like I said, the militia movement is all about feelings. These people feel angry about something, they feel scared, whatever, so they turn their feelings against the government. They buy into all these retarded conspiracies, create all these elaborate fantasies, indoctrinate themselves with ideology, immerse themselves with one another to form group bonds and feel like they're accepted, etc.
But the fact of the matter is they are not capable of waging any kind of successful revolution in this country. And that they think they could is what is so hilarious. Never mind the question of whether or not the military would fire on them; who here really thinks that the rest of the world, particularly our closest allies and economic partners, would just sit around and allow the United States of America, the planet's last remaining superpower and economic juggernaut whose existence is necessary for the global economy to continue to function, just tear itself/its government to pieces so easily?
These are the fantasies of grown children. They have guns, wear camo, basically play airsoft in the woods, and they think this makes them hardened rebels who could lead and actually be victorious in a new American civil war lol.
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