"Rally for Humanity", a Nationwide Anti-Muslim Protest, to Take Place Saturday - Polidicks

I doubt many people will show up for this protest. Freedom of religion is a thing in the US. I don't care if someone believes in Islam any more than I would care if they believe in Christianity.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870594]Slow your roll, bud. I'm not entirely fucking nuts. The protest is against SHARIA LAW BEING ACTIVE. I know that the Sharia Enforcement whatever will probably never get off the ground, I'm not scared of it, I just don't want it to happen. At all. Whatsoever. Even if in a small amount. Any amount is a wrong amount. It's not their right to enforce anything or try to bypass our own American laws for their own. It just doesn't work that way and they NEED to realize that. Here's an idea: If they want an area under Sharia Law, give them Reservations like the Native Americans. Their own land, law, way of life. Separate from ours. They do them, we do we.[/QUOTE] you are completely nuts, you're afraid of something that's not real, muslims are not trying to "bypass" laws, American muslims are just as American as you are Your argument is a joke, you're a bigot who easily bought into the fear, you fear that somehow a few thousand muslims would overthrow american law, take a second to actually think how ridiculous that is christians are the domintant religion here and Christian beliefs are often the basis or even sole reasoning behind laws, yet you somehow think muslims would take over You have no argument based in reality, you're merely looking for a way to thinly veil your bigotry

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48870176]...Cool? Not all Muslims are peaceful. Not all Muslims are extremists. Don't say I'm wrong when there's a VERY LARGE middle ground on the spectrum.[/QUOTE] you forgot the part where most hard-line fundamentalist muslims aren't violent terrorists regardless is their vision of an ideal society backward by every dimension? sure. but does it always translate into violent action? not really. here's a nifty venn diagram that explains this relationship: [img_thumb]http://puu.sh/kEV2D/16b97471b6.png[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=Govna;48870703]Libertarianism is just one more ridiculous concept in a long line of unworkable ideologies that claims to have all the answers to our woes when it's nothing new or special. Society is based on collectivism for starters, not individualism, and the fact that libertarianism tries to operate completely contrary to this only proves how fucking stupid it is. Beyond that, it's never been implemented successfully anywhere. And it never will be. Like communism, it's another foolish utopian promise that never gets anywhere. Were you in the Ron Paul crowd or something?[/QUOTE] You've misunderstood the ideal. They advocate for less government control, not a society entirely disassociated from order. It still remains collectivist, but you would have alternative types of ideals as opposed to adhering to a single one.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48870904]I just sort of laugh when people are like BLAH BLAH FOUNDING FATHERS when it comes to Islam. The founding fathers considered the Arab states to be the US's foremost allies and many of them even celebrated Muslim holidays out of respect. The Arab states were, after all, the very first countries to acknowledge the existence of the US.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Friendship"]Don't forget that Americas longest treaty has been with a Muslim country.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sableye;48870271]now go burn your copies of Ayan Rand's Atlas Shrugged and for the love of god and state, don't name your kids after her[/QUOTE]I tried that book and holy shit I just gave up. [QUOTE=Sableye;48870271]militias don't keep the gubment in check in the US, they haven't since we've had a full time professional army[/QUOTE]E. Scorpious Mk.II answers this quite well:[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48870427]The military strength of the US Army (which would never be used domestically) over the minimal strength of self made militia groups is actually it's very weakness. Just imagine across all the major news channels: "Federal agents (or US Army since that's what you think would be called upon) massacres protester group in armed stand off" Do you not know of the shit storm that happened because of Waco?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Govna;48870703]Libertarianism is just one more ridiculous concept in a long line of unworkable ideologies that claims to have all the answers to our woes when it's nothing new or special.[/QUOTE]Um, no, it's pretty basic. Smallest possible government please, big governments are a victim of their size, they're inefficient and the bloat of corruption and bureaucracy doesn't serve the people it governs. Take it up with reality if this upsets you, but either way this country wasn't founded on collectivism it was founded on individual liberty. Our government is a prime example of what happens when it's too fat to function correctly, I don't know a single person who does business with it that doesn't have some gripe about the process, it's a fucking mess that's been overhauled and streamlined [I]several[/I] times. [QUOTE=Govna;48870703]They are wrong in their beliefs, and they are on the wrong side of history; maybe you want to tolerate them, but most Americans (and more importantly, the American government) still don't.[/QUOTE]Looks like they are tolerated because they still operate freely, so... no, you're wrong. Again. Oh, and there isn't some militia hivemind. "They" is pretty fucking diverse, from straight-up white supremacists, hardline constitutionalists, "zombie survivalists," civil defense enthusiasts, Christian Identity types, and normal military veterans who get together and do stuff are often labeled as "militia members" as well. So who the fuck are you talking about, exactly? Actually, I don't give a fuck, you don't know what you're talking about in the first place and you're under the mistaken impression that militia members are waiting for "their chance" to overthrow the US government. Yeah, I know all this is going to go right over your head, you've already got a preconception that I "fantasize about this dogshit" and you clearly didn't read the content of my posts closely enough. I'm not your mother so I'm not going to walk you through it, but I actually do know what these people are like. Some are crazy, some are straight-up bigots, but very few are McVeigh types who are itching for their chance to shoot at something.

People forget that Islam is [I]fucking huge[/I], it's practised by 1.3 billion people and it's the main (or a major) religion of countries spreading from Africa to East Asia. Pretty much all of those countries are completely different from each other. Of course there's going to be extremists, it would be a statistical anomaly if there [I]weren't[/I]. But a few idiots wandering around saying 'This is a Sharia zone!' don't represent Islam, much like a bunch of idiots wandering around saying 'Islam is evil!' don't represent Americans.

[QUOTE=JerryK;48870891]you are completely nuts, you're afraid of something that's not real, muslims are not trying to "bypass" laws, American muslims are just as American as you are Your argument is a joke, you're a bigot who easily bought into the fear, you fear that somehow a few thousand muslims would overthrow american law, take a second to actually think how ridiculous that is christians are the domintant religion here and Christian beliefs are often the basis or even sole reasoning behind laws, yet you somehow think muslims would take over You have no argument based in reality, you're merely looking for a way to thinly veil your bigotry[/QUOTE] That has got to be one of the biggest ad hominems I've ever seen. He's saying that although sharia enforcing isn't happening on a large scale it's wrong IF it's happening at all. Your argument that this isn't real is just as unfounded as his to be honest. Yes, american Muslims are just as american as every other american, and just like any other american can do stupid shit Muslims can do stupid shit.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48871264]I'm not part of this argument, but I want to caution you on how violent arguments about that little word there can get. Possibility arguments are the most dangerous arguments there are.[/QUOTE]If somebody somehow misunderstands that and wants to argue it then I can't really stop them no matter what words I use.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48871264]You also need to define your goalposts a little better. If your definition of a Libertarian is someone who believes in having the smallest possible effective government, then you've successfully included everyone on Earth, even authoritarians. Authoritarians DO believe in using the smallest effective government possible--they just believe that the smallest effective government is enormous.[/QUOTE]Bro, it doesn't take a political science major to understand that a libertarian's ideal government is way fucking smaller than an authoritarian one. Seriously if somebody is going to be that fucking dumb about it then, again, nothing I say is going to stop them. [editline]10th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=PelPix123;48871285]You haven't been very clear on what Libertarian camp you belong to, and without knowing that, people are going to assume you're from the one they like least.[/QUOTE]I don't really care either way if they like or dislike my political affiliations or beliefs, and really, you seem to be assuming I'm a libertarian to begin with. I could be an anarchist, you know.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48871306]Technically, anarchy is a segment of Libertarianism.[/QUOTE]Yeaaaah but they really like to be in their own camps, anarchists are special snowflakes and don't even like to be compared to anyone else much less categorized with them. Don't mess up their political pronouns either, shame on you for not knowing a veganarchist when you see one.

[QUOTE=maeZtro;48871233]That has got to be one of the biggest ad hominems I've ever seen. He's saying that although sharia enforcing isn't happening on a large scale it's wrong IF it's happening at all. Your argument that this isn't real is just as unfounded as his to be honest. Yes, american Muslims are just as american as every other american, and just like any other american can do stupid shit Muslims can do stupid shit.[/QUOTE] Except I have yet to hear any American Muslim voice a desire for sharia law. You'd have to receive all your news from far right parties and /pol/ to think this is somehow an immediate threat to America.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;48871355]Except I have yet to hear any American Muslim voice a desire for sharia law. You'd have to receive all your news from far right parties and /pol/ to think this is somehow an immediate threat to America.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's a threat to America and I think this "rally for humanity" is stupid. I think it's equally stupid however to deny that these things don't happen at all based on solely the fact that you have never seen or heard it yourself. There are about 2.77 million muslims in the US alone and there is no one who personally knows even 1% of these people because it's impossible.

[QUOTE=maeZtro;48871446]I don't think it's a threat to America and I think this "rally for humanity" is stupid. I think it's equally stupid however to deny that these things don't happen at all based on solely the fact that you have never seen or heard it yourself. There are about 2.77 million muslims in the US alone and there is no one who personally knows even 1% of these people because it's impossible.[/QUOTE] Then provide an example of a Muslim calling for the implementation of Sharia in the United States or anything similar to what's been posted about the "sharia enforcement squads".

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[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;48871491]Then provide an example of a Muslim calling for the implementation of Sharia in the United States or anything similar to what's been posted about the "sharia enforcement squads".[/QUOTE] First of all, I haven't said that I personally believe that there are people like this (I do though), I have said that the fact that you or someone else haven't seen or heard it doesn't in any way disprove that there are. However, seeing how some muslims here have left Sweden to join isis and the fact that there even is an isis, boko haram and several countries with law systems based on sharia makes me think that it's certainly possible. It's probably a very small minority but in my opinion there is a good chance that some people would go around enforcing sharia.

I live in Kitsap County, my buddies and I were talking about doing a counter protest.

[QUOTE=maeZtro;48871233]That has got to be one of the biggest ad hominems I've ever seen. He's saying that although sharia enforcing isn't happening on a large scale it's wrong IF it's happening at all. Your argument that this isn't real is just as unfounded as his to be honest. Yes, american Muslims are just as american as every other american, and just like any other american can do stupid shit Muslims can do stupid shit.[/QUOTE] "isn't happening on a large scale" is being extremely generous. it isn't even happening on a [I]small[/I] scale. even calling it "minute" would be a push. the example that was first given, the one in London, turned out to be four or five dudes working on their own who nobody condoned and got nowhere before being arrested and jailed. the only other example of it was a false-flag. the "Christian Patrols" made in response not only had/have more members, more equipment, haven't been arrested, and directly go to or even break into Mosques to proselytize and start fights, but were also made by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First"]an actual considerable political group with numerous supporters and a straight-up vigilante wing[/URL]. if such an insignificant thing is worth wringing your hands over, why aren't you having a panic attack about biblical law or, better yet, far-right nationalists? i'd [I]almost[/I] think you've been exposed to the same fearmongering tabloid rags we have over here and this is some bizarre, selective attempt at rationalizing it.

[QUOTE=Cone;48871720]"isn't happening on a large scale" is being extremely generous. it isn't even happening on a [I]small[/I] scale. even calling it "minute" would be a push. the example that was first given, the one in London, turned out to be four or five dudes working on their own who nobody condoned and got nowhere before being arrested and jailed. the only other example of it was a false-flag. the "Christian Patrols" made in response not only had/have more members, more equipment, haven't been arrested, and directly go to or even break into Mosques to proselytize and start fights, but were also made by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First"]an actual considerable political group with numerous supporters and a straight-up vigilante wing[/URL]. if such an insignificant thing is worth wringing your hands over, why aren't you having a panic attack about biblical law or, better yet, far-right nationalists? i'd [I]almost[/I] think you've been exposed to the same fearmongering tabloid rags we have over here and this is some bizarre, selective attempt at rationalizing it.[/QUOTE] Again, I've only attacked the way JerryK has been responding in the thread, not the actual issue they were discussing. Also, read my post again properly without your Islamophob-glasses on: [QUOTE]Your argument that this isn't real is [U][B]just as unfounded as his[/B][/U] [/QUOTE] See, this implies that I don't think Noobie has provided enough evidence to justify his stance of being afraid of sharia being enforced.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;48870904]I just sort of laugh when people are like BLAH BLAH FOUNDING FATHERS when it comes to Islam. The founding fathers considered the Arab states to be the US's foremost allies and many of them even celebrated Muslim holidays out of respect. The Arab states were, after all, the very first countries to acknowledge the existence of the US.[/QUOTE] :what: [editline]10th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48871681]I live in Kitsap County, my buddies and I were talking about doing a counter protest.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353330/Egypt-protests-Christians-join-hands-protect-Muslims-pray-Cairo-protests.html]Maybe something like this can happen that day, in the US.[/url]

[QUOTE=G3rman;48868965]Power tripping guys like these destroy the reputation and history of actual "militias".[/QUOTE] I think actual militias do that well enough by themselves

[QUOTE=G3rman;48868965]Power tripping guys like these destroy the reputation and history of actual "militias".[/QUOTE] There is no "reputation" and "history of" militias. Militias are just irregular armed forces. That's it. Ideology is [I]not[/I] part of their definition, whether it's Cuban communists in 1958 or American republicans in 1776.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48868967]Well saying "True Islam is Terrorism" is a bit much. If you look at the texts it does call for expanding Islam through violence and martyrdom but most Muslims, although a bit conservative are quite peaceful so it doesn't make sense to just call all Muslims terrorists and treat them as such.[/QUOTE] This has to be one of the most ironic posts of all time considering your stance on gun control.

[QUOTE=maeZtro;48871233]That has got to be one of the biggest ad hominems I've ever seen. He's saying that although sharia enforcing isn't happening on a large scale it's wrong IF it's happening at all. Your argument that this isn't real is just as unfounded as his to be honest. Yes, american Muslims are just as american as every other american, and just like any other american can do stupid shit Muslims can do stupid shit.[/QUOTE] THANK you. This guy gets it. That's precisely what I'm saying. Large scale or tiny scale, it shouldn't happen at all. End of story. [editline]10th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;48871720]"isn't happening on a large scale" is being extremely generous. it isn't even happening on a [I]small[/I] scale. even calling it "minute" would be a push. the example that was first given, the one in London, turned out to be four or five dudes working on their own who nobody condoned and got nowhere before being arrested and jailed. the only other example of it was a false-flag. the "Christian Patrols" made in response not only had/have more members, more equipment, haven't been arrested, and directly go to or even break into Mosques to proselytize and start fights, but were also made by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First"]an actual considerable political group with numerous supporters and a straight-up vigilante wing[/URL]. if such an insignificant thing is worth wringing your hands over, why aren't you having a panic attack about biblical law or, better yet, far-right nationalists? i'd [I]almost[/I] think you've been exposed to the same fearmongering tabloid rags we have over here and this is some bizarre, selective attempt at rationalizing it.[/QUOTE] Put it like this... America, England, most Westernized nations, etc were FOUNDED on Christianity/Catholicism (mm, for the most part) and some completely different, practically alien religion, rolls in and starts planting its roots trying to spread in an area where it's not dominant can be a little threatening to some people. It would be exactly like a large scale of Christians going to Islam, building a large church, and trying to convert people to Christianity. And y'know what? That has happened! Know what happened though? THEY GOT KILLED FOR IT. Christians get eradicated everyday in the Middle East solely because the majority is Islamic/Muslim/Middle Eastern (Abrahamic)

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48872541]There is no "reputation" and "history of" militias. Militias are just irregular armed forces. That's it. Ideology is [I]not[/I] part of their definition, whether it's Cuban communists in 1958 or American republicans in 1776.[/QUOTE] American militias are usually made up of right wingers. [QUOTE=Hepburn;48872821]This has to be one of the most ironic posts of all time considering your stance on gun control.[/QUOTE] Mind to clarify what you mean?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48873093]American militias are usually made up of right wingers. Mind to clarify what you mean?[/QUOTE] I mean that you're anti-gun, so why do you judge the majority of gun owners by the select few that use them with ill intent yet not judge Muslims by the same standard? I have no problems with Muslims at all whatsoever, I do have problems with Islam (and most religions).

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48873093]American militias are usually made up of right wingers. [/QUOTE] Irrelevant, these men are still not damaging the "reputation" of militias because there is no such thing in a political perspective.

[quote] [url=http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/10/open-carry_group_to_protest_mu.html]Source #2[/url] [B]Open-carry group to protest 'Muslim colonization' in Dearborn[/B] Oh boy, a bunch of armed retards continuing to curbstomp minority relations in America[/QUOTE] Dearborn resident here, can confirm that only 10 anti-muslim supporters showed up to their rally. Our mayor insisted that the community, rather than stage counter protests, take part in community activities that were scheduled for the same day. Needless to say it was a great success. It's amazing how people with such a twisted view can come to this town and spout off so much hate, Muslim or not the people of this community take pride in where we live, and for the most part everybody understands that living here is a team effort. Granted there are always going to be people who have issues with anyone of a foreign country, but around here it's such a small percentage they go unnoticed. My grandparents moved here to escape World War II, these people absolutely have the right to do the same, which is come here to seek a better life. Sure the culture can be... questionable.. at times, but as long as what they do doesn't interfere with anyone else's life there shouldn't be an issue with these people coming to this country. Because I'm not sure if all of these protesters forgot But [b]White people aren't native to America[/b]

Humans aren't native to America, America can be anything people want to believe in, it may not be the way some folks want it to be but they're free to voice it.

[QUOTE=grr164;48879198] [b]White people aren't native to America[/b][/QUOTE] This is such a stupid thing to say, I wish people would quit this argument.