"Rally for Humanity", a Nationwide Anti-Muslim Protest, to Take Place Saturday - Polidicks

what's most surprising about this protest is that the american diaspora of muslims is the least likely to be calling for sharia. unlike political refugees and economic migrants to the EU, you have to cross an ocean and jump through a series of hoops to get here, and usually that means actually [I]wanting[/I] to be here, rather than merely being here out of necessity. of course i guess you can't expect anything else when you have alarmists hopping on fox news and screaming about how obama's trying to muslimize the united states through creeping sharia policies.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48879927]This is such a stupid thing to say, I wish people would quit this argument.[/QUOTE] Why? Seems pretty fucking accurate tbh. "White people" as they are today in the US are not native to the area. They are the descendants of centuries of migration and mix'n'match breeding with other migrant groups and the native population. But "white people" are still in no way historically native despite this. Shit, "white people" in the UK aren't even native to the country, and we're the whitest motherfuckers known to mankind. They could harness the solar energy reflected off us. This place has been invaded and taken over so many times it really makes you wonder just how much of the native population even persisted.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48871681]I live in Kitsap County, my buddies and I were talking about doing a counter protest.[/QUOTE] Don't get shot. Maybe wear body armour.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48881516]Why? Seems pretty fucking accurate tbh. "White people" as they are today in the US are not native to the area. They are the descendants of centuries of migration and mix'n'match breeding with other migrant groups and the native population. But "white people" are still in no way historically native despite this. Shit, "white people" in the UK aren't even native to the country, and we're the whitest motherfuckers known to mankind. They could harness the solar energy reflected off us. This place has been invaded and taken over so many times it really makes you wonder just how much of the native population even persisted.[/QUOTE] Amerindians aren't native to this land either. They came during the ice age through the Bering land bridge if you want to use that argument. At what point can descendents be considered "native"? Amerindians haven't ruled these continents for over a hundred years, in some places, in over hundreds of years. Parts of my family have been living here for at least 4 generations, some even more. When can I be considered native to this country and land that I've only ever known and no other? I'm a native American. I'm native to this land because it's where my parents were born and where my grandparents were born, and even [I]their[/I] grandparents were born. No, I'm not ethnically Amerindian but so fucking what?

Hey guys, remember all the thousands of bombings and shootings committed by muslims in America?? Because I sure fucking don't. [QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48872974] Put it like this... America, England, most Westernized nations, etc were FOUNDED on Christianity/Catholicism (mm, for the most part) and some completely different, practically alien religion, rolls in and starts planting its roots trying to spread in an area where it's not dominant can be a little threatening to some people.[/QUOTE] In what way is the muslim population in America trying to "plant its roots in the ground trying to spread in an area"? [QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48872974]It would be exactly like a large scale of Christians going to Islam, building a large church, and trying to convert people to Christianity. [/QUOTE] Except muslim Americans aren't involved in a mass plot to convert anyone. [QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48872974]Christians get eradicated everyday in the Middle East solely because the majority is Islamic/Muslim/Middle Eastern (Abrahamic)[/QUOTE] This is the United States, not the middle east. None of that shit is happening here. Christians are the last group being persecuted for their religious beliefs in this country. I'm no supporter of Islam, as I am not religious at all, but seeing the double standard presented here in this country is just ridiculous. People see ISIS terrorists, shariah law, and all that other bullshit on the news and they think it's going to happen here too. But guess what? It's fucking called common sense; radical muslims =/= the majority of muslim. Noone thinks the KKK represents the majority of christians, so why the fuck do we think the opposite for muslims?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48871976]:what: [/QUOTE] I don't know about the first part, but the first country to recognize the US as an independent state [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Friendship]was Morocco[/url].

[QUOTE=Saber15;48882898]I don't know about the first part, but the first country to recognize the US as an independent state [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Friendship]was Morocco[/url].[/QUOTE] Recognition of independence is not in any way this: "considered the Arab states to be the US's [B]foremost allies[/B] and many of them even [B]celebrated Muslim holidays[/B] out of respect"

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;48882836]Hey guys, remember all the thousands of bombings and shootings committed by muslims in America?? Because I sure fucking don't. In what way is the muslim population in America trying to "plant its roots in the ground trying to spread in an area"? Except muslim Americans aren't involved in a mass plot to convert anyone. This is the United States, not the middle east. None of that shit is happening here. Christians are the last group being persecuted for their religious beliefs in this country. I'm no supporter of Islam, as I am not religious at all, but seeing the double standard presented here in this country is just ridiculous. People see ISIS terrorists, shariah law, and all that other bullshit on the news and they think it's going to happen here too. But guess what? It's fucking called common sense; radical muslims =/= the majority of muslim. Noone thinks the KKK represents the majority of christians, so why the fuck do we think the opposite for muslims?[/QUOTE] Christ man, read the rest of my shit, will ya? I'm strictly saying that [B]I. DO. NOT. WANT. THIS. SHIT. TO. START. HERE. PERIOD.[/B] I'm FULLY aware that it's currently [I]not happening.[/I] I'm not THAT fucking batshit insane.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48872974] Put it like this... America, England, most Westernized nations, etc were FOUNDED on Christianity/Catholicism (mm, for the most part) and some completely different, practically alien religion, rolls in and starts planting its roots trying to spread in an area where it's not dominant can be a little threatening to some people.[/quote] Its not alien at all. We've known about it for over 1000 years. It has strongly influenced maths, culture and science. why do we use arabic numerals instead of roman numerals? why do we call it algebra? Islam took up the torch from europe in the dark ages as the regional leader for development. The moors in spain had a big influence on spain. Islamic trade was our only way to get goods from india, china and east africa for a long time. Muslims in turkey, balkans, malta and north africa mixed with europeans regularly for a very long time. We know about it and have known about it for a ages. Not alien at all. You put too much in it being different. Islam and Christianity have the same god. Jesus is considered a messenger of god in Islam. The Quran mentions Mary more often than the bible does. Muslims see this as a final testiment something to be added to Judaism and Christianity as gods final word. Its the same god practically the same relgion. The values it holds aren't so different from Christianity. [quote] It would be exactly like a large scale of Christians going to Islam, building a large church, and trying to convert people to Christianity. And y'know what? That has happened! Know what happened though? THEY GOT KILLED FOR IT. [/quote] The killing thing is a person by person or state by state basis. If a christian country (hint africa) stoned people to death would you let that spoil the reputation of all christians? What they are supposed to do is tax none believers (gets more complicated for believers of polytheistic stuff, I think they then try to convert). [quote] Christians get eradicated everyday in the Middle East solely because the majority is Islamic/Muslim/Middle Eastern (Abrahamic)[/QUOTE] In lebanon and turkey christians and muslims live next to each other just fine. Under the ottomans there is recorded stuff of christians celebrating ramadan with their muslim neighbours and muslims celebrating christmas with the christian neighbours. We are capable of living in peace. It is the messed up regimes present in africa and the middle east which make this so bad. [t]http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/7/9/0/0/6/7/protect-muslims-christians-117468677314.jpeg#protect%20muslims%20christians[/t] Islam at its core is not better or worse than Christianity. it is a religion of peace in most formats. Its just assholes who push wahhabism or salafism and use it to further political agenda who give it a bad name. Also people like you who don't understand the differences and make it out to be some evil borg type thing. Islam isn't all that different from christianity. And a note of jihad. It has 2 types. Greater (internal struggle against tempation and aposty) and lesser which is external struggle against those against islam, this is not necessarily violent struggle, it might be to speak out against someone who is trying to lead others astray. Its worth noting that one difference between islam and christianity is that islam is quite centralised from the outset, whereas christianity started out decentralised (a loada local patriachs) the idea was for all muslims to be of the same group and united, kind of like a state but long before states were mainstream. So an enemy of islam was an enemy of that state and the state could raise an army. This might seem alien but it was the same for lots of christians in europe with Catholicism (pope ruling) and eastern orthodox (not actually orthodox christianity) with the emperor ruling. We have modernised and so have they, secular and even democratic governments have been done in majority muslim nations, tho the region itself has its issues so usually the elected leader ends up being overthrown by a US backed coup or the secular leader ends up deciding he'd rule better as a dictator. Mustafa Kamal is my favourite middle east (though only just) leader; a soldier, a scholar, a patriot, a secular leader but also a muslim. (dont go off on genocide stuff he openly declared what the ottomans did to armenia a massacre and wrong) the middle east needs more Mustafa Kamals.

Everyone is completely missing my point, I don't need a history lesson, but I appreciate it. I'm not going to be replying to this thread anymore.

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48886812]Everyone is completely missing my point, I don't need a history lesson, but I appreciate it. I'm not going to be replying to this thread anymore.[/QUOTE] Because you don't want to be shown that your point is asinine?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48885167] The killing thing is a person by person or state by state basis. If a christian country (hint africa) stoned people to death would you let that spoil the reputation of all christians? What they are supposed to do is tax none believers (gets more complicated for believers of polytheistic stuff, I think they then try to convert). [/QUOTE] To some extent it should since the texts justifies it. Its also worth mentioning that in quite a few cases its Protestants from America urging them on. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48885167][t]http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/7/9/0/0/6/7/protect-muslims-christians-117468677314.jpeg#protect%20muslims%20christians[/t][/QUOTE] But why do they need to be protected? They need to be protected because there is a sizable portion of Muslims/Christians that would do them harm for praying publicly or even just having their own building. These people are muslims and their are quite a few of them. You bring up Turkey but can't you see it losing its secularism as we speak?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48885167]Its not alien at all. We've known about it for over 1000 years. It has strongly influenced maths, culture and science. why do we use arabic numerals instead of roman numerals? why do we call it algebra? Islam took up the torch from europe in the dark ages as the regional leader for development.[/QUOTE] Actually islam did relatively very little. If the Arab conquests hadn't happened, pretty much all of the same things would have been done by the same scholars (except they would be christian, jewish, or zoroastrian instead). there's also mentioning that the arab conquests caused many cities to be abandoned, while destroying smaller polities. this also led to a collapse in what little remained of trade, and the system of marriage that was widely encouraged by the new religion led to a gradual increase in inbreeding and weakening of many civil institutions Arabic numerals themselves are actually Indian in origin, while much of the science and mathematics are from the greek and roman tradition. The whole reason there was a "golden age" of islam is because it hadn't been around for very long and most of the population that lived under them didn't bother with the religion and had a few relatively peaceful centuries before the muslim world ossified

I'm going to pull a Bill Maher/Sam Harris/Richard Dawkins and ask "does it matter if the majority of Islamic believers are moderates?" The foundation of their beliefs are extremely dangerous and archaic.

[QUOTE=Ralakis;48888589]I'm going to pull a Bill Maher/Sam Harris/Richard Dawkins and ask "does it matter if the majority of Islamic believers are moderates?" The foundation of their beliefs are extremely dangerous and archaic.[/QUOTE] iunno, some of the christian beliefs are odd too catholics believe that they're eating the flesh of jesus and drinking his blood every time they have mass

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48889178]iunno, some of the christian beliefs are odd too catholics believe that they're eating the flesh of jesus and drinking his blood every time they have mass[/QUOTE] *which is meant to be symbolic, not cannibalism

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48889241]*which is meant to be symbolic, not cannibalism[/QUOTE] you need to learn yourself some theology: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation[/url] it's protestants who see it as symbolic, not catholics

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48887000]Because you don't want to be shown that your point is asinine?[/QUOTE] I get that it sounds crazy but its just as valid as anyone else's opinion.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48889178]iunno, some of the christian beliefs are odd too catholics believe that they're eating the flesh of jesus and drinking his blood every time they have mass[/QUOTE] Yeah, but we criticize the hell out of Christianity for being barbaric/stupid, why do liberals back down when the subject of Islam gets brought up?

[QUOTE=Ralakis;48890528]Yeah, but we criticize the hell out of Christianity for being barbaric/stupid, why do liberals back down when the subject of Islam gets brought up?[/QUOTE] We don't, but there's a difference between calling somebody a bunch of stupid rednecks and crazy old people and calling them implicit terrorists.

[QUOTE=Zyler;48890570]We don't, but there's a difference between calling somebody a bunch of stupid rednecks and crazy old people and calling them implicit terrorists.[/QUOTE] But they do back down, statistics show that a frightening amount of UK Muslims support sharia law in the European courts. They also support violence against the opposition. Hell, 27% sympathized with the Paris shooters. 11% sympathize with those who wish to fight Western culture and ideals. 20% believe that Western culture is incompatible with Islam. Where are the liberals on this issue? [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196[/url] [url]http://comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/BBC-Today-Programme_British-Muslims-Poll_FINAL-Tables_Feb2015.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/[/url]

[QUOTE=Ralakis;48891418] Where are the liberals on this issue? [/QUOTE] Calling me asinine and absurd, apparently.

[QUOTE=Ralakis;48891418]But they do back down, statistics show that a frightening amount of UK Muslims support sharia law in the European courts. They also support violence against the opposition. Hell, 27% sympathized with the Paris shooters. 11% sympathize with those who wish to fight Western culture and ideals. 20% believe that Western culture is incompatible with Islam. Where are the liberals on this issue? [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196[/url] [url]http://comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/BBC-Today-Programme_British-Muslims-Poll_FINAL-Tables_Feb2015.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/[/url][/QUOTE] You missed out on the 40% want some form of Sharia law in their community (though when it says some form that doesnt necissarly mean they support beheading, stoning and other barbaric stuff). British law is manditory under any circumstances, what most muslims request for sharia law is for them to use sharia law in divorce proceedings etc. I personally disagree but if it is Opt in (so you only have to do it if you want to) only and still complies with british law I dont see how we can stop it. The poll that data came from also states [quote]suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.[/quote] So the vast majority don't support murder and terrorism. It also has this. [quote]Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.[/quote] Again thats a vast majority feeling loyalty to britain. If you asked none muslims you would likely get a similar percent. The alienation is more worrying, peoples negative attitude toward muslims is driving them away from mainstream society. Note that sympathizing and supporting are different. I sympathize with a few groups who are considered terrorists. I do not support them or their methods though. The world is not black and white. We (the coalition) are responsible for 10000s of deaths in the middle east and destabilisation over the entire region. Torturing and execution went unpunished, outright murders of civilians and police officers by coalition affiliated forced. Of course people will be angry, that is sympathy with them; you don't to support their methods to understand their cause. This is why 20% sympathize with the 7/7 bombers but only 1% think they were right in what they did. Also you use "liberal" like a dirty word. Makes you sound like an american. ah flag dog