It's nice that this kind of message was put out in the limelight, but the number of dickheads that smoke weed flaunting it around definitely outweighs the number of people that keep to themselves about it. Thanks Call of Duty.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43563301]Alcohol withdrawal is fatal, heroin withdrawal isn't. Nicotine withdrawal isn't fatal afaik
Indeed, marijuana is not physically addictive in the same sense as those. I didn't claim that there wasn't a very clear difference between heroin and marijuana, I just stated an unpopular truth in response to the post above mine. The financial burden on addicts is much the fault of inflated prohibition pricing.
Heroin as you say doesn't cause long term physical damage and that is why it and morphine are used so extensively in a medical context for pain relief.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your main point, but alcohol withdrawal isn't always fatal. and heroin withdrawal isn't always safe, and you can die if you're sick enough from withdrawls...just clearing things up a bit.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;43563533]It's nice that this kind of message was put out in the limelight, but the number of dickheads that smoke weed flaunting it around definitely outweighs the number of people that keep to themselves about it. Thanks Call of Duty.[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure that's just a case of a silent majority and a LOUD AS FUCK minority
i couldn't tell that a lot of people did it before i started smoking weed, and that's how it is with most people, at least from my experience
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43563301]Alcohol withdrawal is fatal, heroin withdrawal isn't. Nicotine withdrawal isn't fatal afaik
Indeed, marijuana is not physically addictive in the same sense as those. I didn't claim that there wasn't a very clear difference between heroin and marijuana, I just stated an unpopular truth in response to the post above mine. The financial burden on addicts is much the fault of inflated prohibition pricing.
Heroin as you say doesn't cause long term physical damage and that is why it and morphine are used so extensively in a medical context for pain relief.[/QUOTE]
Morphine and diacetylmorphine are usually scarcely used as normal painkillers and are usually only for extreme cases... at least for the US, and from what I've heard the UK is just the same. Don't underestimate opiates, they have a place in both recreation and medical use, but both sides should be treaded with extreme caution.
[editline]16th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;43563533]It's nice that this kind of message was put out in the limelight, but the number of dickheads that smoke weed flaunting it around definitely outweighs the number of people that keep to themselves about it. Thanks Call of Duty.[/QUOTE]
Morons are always the more vocal ones.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43563603]i'm pretty sure that's just a case of a silent majority and a LOUD AS FUCK minority
i couldn't tell that a lot of people did it before i started smoking weed, and that's how it is with most people, at least from my experience[/QUOTE]
yeah, i have not met a person yet who wasn't surprised that i smoked weed
[QUOTE=zach1193;43563599]I agree with your main point, but alcohol withdrawal isn't always fatal. and heroin withdrawal isn't always safe, and you can die if you're sick enough from withdrawls...just clearing things up a bit.[/QUOTE]Opiate withdrawal can only be fatal in one case: methadone. Stopping cold turkey heroin after years is not going to do anything but send you into utter hell for months. You won't die. Alcohol and benzo withdrawal can be fatal.
Only thing that gives me pause about full legalization of hard drugs is that I don't really think addictive drugs are all that much better off in the hands of corporations than cartels, if at all.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43563980]Only thing that gives me pause about full legalization of hard drugs is that I don't really think addictive drugs are all that much better off in the hands of corporations than cartels, if at all.[/QUOTE]
By corporations, you mean like the dispensaries already active in Colorado?
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;43564075]By corporations, you mean like the dispensaries already active in Colorado?[/QUOTE]
I mean like big tobacco.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43563351]Is that an argument for keeping it illegal?[/QUOTE]
not necessarily, merely an observation
in a perfect world, no one would do drugs, and everything would be great, but unfortunately, people do, and keeping heroin illegal won't prevent them from doing it, especially if they are already addicted
in some senses, legalization would allow addicts to keep their addiction "clean," since heroin's negative affects spurn from adulterated street-quality heroin, rather than from the heroin itself; though, heroin is still incredibly physically addictive, so if anyone [B]did[/B] begin using it, the easy access to clean heroin would only drive them to spend even more money on their addiction, without the obstacles that normally stand in the way of getting their fix
and then of course, once they cant afford the walmart brand heroin, they'll be pushed to buy low-grade heroin off the streets again, and then the cycle continues, and people start dying or falling ill from not-just-heroin heroin
[editline]16th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=zach1193;43563656]Morphine and diacetylmorphine are usually scarcely used as normal painkillers and are usually only for extreme cases... at least for the US, and from what I've heard the UK is just the same. Don't underestimate opiates, they have a place in both recreation and medical use, but both sides should be treaded with extreme caution..[/QUOTE]
morphine is almost never used in hospitals anymore though
[QUOTE=zach1193;43563656]Morphine and diacetylmorphine are usually scarcely used as normal painkillers and are usually only for extreme cases... at least for the US, and from what I've heard the UK is just the same. Don't underestimate opiates, they have a place in both recreation and medical use, but both sides should be treaded with extreme caution.[/QUOTE]Heroin (diacetylmorphine) is schedule I in the US, which means that it cannot be used for medical purposes at all. It's rarely used in hospitals in the UK, but definitely not in the US.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)#Opium_derivatives[/url]
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43563301]Alcohol withdrawal is fatal, heroin withdrawal isn't. Nicotine withdrawal isn't fatal afaik[/QUOTE]
alcohol withdrawal is not fatal (brain death is super uncommon and only occurs if the withdrawal is not treated)
[quote]Indeed, marijuana is not physically addictive in the same sense as those. I didn't claim that there wasn't a very clear difference between heroin and marijuana, I just stated an unpopular truth in response to the post above mine. The financial burden on addicts is much the fault of inflated prohibition pricing.[/quote]
even at rock-bottom prices, heroin's physical addiction will result in people buying even more than when they were buying off the street; namely because the quality will be better, the access easier, and the prices cheaper
eventually, severe addicts will spend incredible amounts of money to fuel their addiction, the same way severe tobacco/nicotine addicts spend insane amounts of money on cigarettes and other tobacco products
[quote]Heroin as you say doesn't cause long term physical damage and that is why it and morphine are used so extensively in a medical context for pain relief.[/quote]
morphine was replaced as a painkiller for most hospital cases in the late 80's, mostly because of the physical addiction opiate use spurns in a small amount of time
not to mention the side effects and withdrawal symptoms were shit
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43564322]alcohol withdrawal is not fatal[/QUOTE]it isn't inherently, but it can most certainly be fatal.
I don't smoke weed and I'm a good person.
checkmate
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43564349]it isn't inherently, but it can most certainly be fatal.[/QUOTE]
this is assuming that the withdrawal is not managed at all, and even then, its not as if it is incredibly common
unmanaged withdrawal of any kind can be fatal
psychological issues, such as depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and so on, (fatal symptoms like dehydration may also occur) are just as likely to cause user death
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;43564360]I don't smoke weed and I'm a good person.
checkmate[/QUOTE]
I smoke weed and I'm a terrible person. Checkmate.
I smoke weed very regularly and it negatively affects my life.
Checkmate?
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;43565613]I smoke weed very regularly and it negatively affects my life.
Checkmate?[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter. Folks will pull out statistics and point out that anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. Conveniently supporting their kick. w/e
I don't like marijuana and I don't like the dirty jockstrap/sweat sock smell seeping into my stairwell from the downstairs neighbors who smoke it and get all shouty and belligerent. As long as they keep it shouty and don't get shooty, I won't call the cops on them, but it does smell like filth.
I sell paraphenalia in WV and really hope to see the state make the move towards medicinal. I've been told that somebody high up the political ladder won't let it happen but at least they are having the discussion. Most of my customers are indeed young college kids that just want nice glass and to get "high as fuckk" but every day I talk to people who need cannabis as their medicine. Just this morning I sold a pipe to an older gentleman who was buying it for his sick wife. He was extremely nervous about just buying the pipe and driving home with it. He told me horror stories about getting his wife her medicine and having a police car behind him on the drive home. He felt like he was going to have a heart attack. That situation should not be happening and the federal government needs to stop throwing weed smokers in jail and ruining lives.
No victim no crime.
[QUOTE=Errl;43565778]That situation should not be happening and the federal government needs to stop throwing weed smokers in jail and ruining lives.
No victim no crime.[/QUOTE]
the federal government is not throwing weed smokers in jail
that's the state
if the federal government ever gets involved, its because of international drug trafficking or some massive schedule 1 drug distribution over state lines or in mega quantities
Good example, Errl.
I think the problem I have with it is mainly with the people using it. Not that it turns people into assholes, but that they were assholes to begin with, then get high and become stupid assholes. Obviously, not everyone is like that.
In contrast, I knew a Korean vet who smoked. He lost a portion of his skull and brain to a grenade. Awesome guy, friendly as hell. I wouldn't begrudge him his smoke for anything. I don't know how the pot helped him, but if he had to stay high to lose awareness of the plate in his head, give him a friggin bowl, geez.
Comparing the medicinal uses of it to the folks who abuse it like alcohol really illuminates the assholes.
The victim is the legitimate user who is has to go knock on the door in the bad side of town and deal with the shady pricks that are keeping the laws as they are.
[QUOTE=tirpider;43566099]Good example, Errl.
I think the problem I have with it is mainly with the people using it. Not that it turns people into assholes, but that they were assholes to begin with, then get high and become stupid assholes. Obviously, not everyone is like that.
In contrast, I knew a Korean vet who smoked. He lost a portion of his skull and brain to a grenade. Awesome guy, friendly as hell. I wouldn't begrudge him his smoke for anything. I don't know how the pot helped him, but if he had to stay high to lose awareness of the plate in his head, give him a friggin bowl, geez.
Comparing the medicinal uses of it to the folks who abuse it like alcohol really illuminates the assholes.
The victim is the legitimate user who is has to go knock on the door in the bad side of town and deal with the shady pricks that are keeping the laws as they are.[/QUOTE]
I think you have a total missconception of weed smokers, if you had a way to find out I'm sure you would discover that there are plenty of intelligent, genuinly good people who smoke weed but that they are smart enough to keep quiet about it.
I smoked weed quite heavily through out high school, near every day, and maintained an almost 4.1 GPA towards the end of my senior year. Every single person that I told about my smoking habit was completely surprised, and never would of suspected me. I don't do it much now, mostly since I don't have time due to college, but the notion that someone who smokes marijuana can't also be a productive and intellectual person is absurd.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43566397]I think you have a total missconception of weed smokers, if you had a way to find out I'm sure you would discover that there are plenty of intelligent, genuinly good people who smoke weed but that they are smart enough to keep quiet about it.[/QUOTE]
You are correct. Growing up as a weed smoker with weed smoking friends, I am left with a somewhat unfavorable and biased opinion about them. A good number of them carried on with their idiotic antics. Few were able to shake it. Oddly, the only straight edge guy I knew is also the only Phd I know. Funny how that works out.
Not saying pot makes you dumb. Just saying that there were dumb pot smokers and smart non-pot-smokers in my circle.
Overall, I avoid folks once I find out they smoke it cause I don't know If they are smart or dumb... asking me if I do is a good indicator of dumb though.
-edit
Just remembered an ex-girlfriend had a very intelligent and non-assholish mother who smoked pot. Last I heard she finished her master in psychology or something. So I do know there is a spectrum of personalities and intelligences that use, I just avoid them in general cause I know how bad the ones that are assholes are.
I justify my use by using it sparingly and using noopept. Life sucks sometimes man, every once in a while you need to forget. Just don't try to forget forever, it's nothing but suicide.
[QUOTE=dai;43558536]I don't care about greentext memery, >'s are a better bullet point than -'s[/QUOTE]
but quotation marks are better quotation marks
I also smoke marijuana, but I use smart drugs so I don't get so forgetful, and aiyaiyaiyai don't do it all the time. So BOOM, take that haters.
[QUOTE=tirpider;43565713]As long as they keep it shouty and don't get shooty.[/QUOTE]
this sounds like a line straight out of Reefer Madness dude
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43566788]this sounds like a line straight out of Reefer Madness dude[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time I called the police on my downstairs neighbor for violence.
The manager should just put a revolving door on the place.
[QUOTE=Appellation;43566780]I also smoke marijuana, but I use smart drugs so I don't get so forgetful, and aiyaiyaiyai don't do it all the time. So BOOM, take that haters.[/QUOTE]
hahaha so you're abusing nootropics in order to counteract an effect that marijuana doesn't even cause? good luck with that buddy
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