EA likens difference between Origin and Steam to difference between Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=zeldar;36304459]Actually you'd be surprised at how many PC gamers there are today who still hate it with a passion.[/QUOTE] I wonder what those people think of Origin.

Here I was thinking they were gonna say Steam sucks because of all the discounts it makes.

There are also still people who use XP too.

So they're gonna release DLC for Origin? (beta users get the first one free, and if you pay more than the cost of a full game you can get Origin Premium which includes all the DLCs for free) DLC pack one: Clock on the overlay

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;36304250]Difference between Battlefield and COD. Well that means one is really good and the other is an overhyped piece of shit.[/QUOTE] I thought it meant that one's really generic and the other is overhyped but equally generic?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36304084]What's up with EA's fascination with Call of Duty.[/QUOTE] It's just like steam: Something they will never achieve.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36304453]You're a fucking idiot if you believe that. Origin can work as a platform, EA just need to put a lot of work into it. People said the exact same things when Steam launched (and when Steam launched it barely fucking worked anyway). But look at it now, enough work was put into it and it is now the de-facto platform for digital distribution.[/QUOTE] The reason why we're not putting up points here is because we've done that continually for the past 2 years and repeating them here will make the mess of a cycle worse than the Fallout thread. But one thing that Makes Origin have a harder time, objective from being shit or not, is that it's a publisher that rivalizes everyone else and therefore will have a struggle getting anyone but themselves onto the platform. Steam is only a distributor and does not actively rivalize anyone with their games or statements (not even origin). They have potential for full market coverage since they don't hang like a dark cloud over everyone they distribute for or partially publish. That's one point, now calm down. There are 5001 to go and i'd rather have you find them on google over a month than spend two writing them out for you. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zeldar;36304459]Actually you'd be surprised at how many PC gamers there are today who still hate it with a passion.[/QUOTE] They're ignorants. "My name is Bomimo and today we're gonna play Steam" *woooosh* "so the first thing i notice is that i have to download the app, but not only that, to start playing i have to download AGAIN! Like ONE download wasn't enough!?" I'm to pissed off to keep typing it out...

[quote]Battlefield 3 isn't Call of Duty. Battlefield 3 is great, it's a shooter[/quote] it's funny because their first expansion is call of duty style mapping and gameplay

[QUOTE=MightyMax;36304230]It's funny. Steam is embedded in PC gaming. Every PC gamer at least knows steam and how good it is. Then origin walks in, thinking it can knock steam off its tower by using insults. At least Valve has the decency to not insult back.[/QUOTE] Has valve even publicly acknowledged Origin's existence

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36304453]You're a fucking idiot if you believe that. Origin can work as a platform, EA just need to put a lot of work into it. People said the exact same things when Steam launched (and when Steam launched it barely fucking worked anyway). But look at it now, enough work was put into it and it is now the de-facto platform for digital distribution.[/QUOTE] Origin is a white elephant in my opinion. It's highly unlikely that Origin will ever overtake Steam, Origin never has discounts, Origin doesn't really provide a better service than Steam, Origin is being pumped with loads of money by EA, yet it doesn't really support itself apart from the games that EA make Origin exclusive, such as: Mass Effect 3, Battlefield 3 and Star Wars: TOR. Whilst Origin does sell other games that are available on Steam, they're not really bought that much because Steam generally provides a better and more popular system. (To conserve processing power and RAM, people are going to only have either Origin or Steam on at any given point, however, some will prefer to use Steam more as it has a larger and more accessible community system [Steam Friends and the community tab], so generally speaking, most people will default to Steam.) EA doesn't have a very good policy on how they treat the customer. One thing that quite a lot of people object is how if a user is banned on EA's forums, they will also be banned from playing their Origin games. Whilst that is a smart way of encouraging good behaviour, you are just going to piss people off and force them to default to Steam instead. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism]Another thing is that EA have a very bad history of their interactions with the customer.[/url] Granted Steam is a DRM in itself and offline mode is finicky at best, but the DRM isn't horrible and Valve have a great policy to the consumer (yes this does cause fanboys to appear, but they do have good reasons to back up their zealotry. Then there's this article where some EA business executive is trying to slander Steam, but just ends up seeming stupid. Look at all the funny ratings for the OP! The people don't like EA, they reject EA's Origin and they do not want anything to do with EA. Unfortunately EA does have a few good intellectual properties which people do actually have a liking to, so some people will be purchasing EA's products. But Origin will never knock off Steam from it's position of 'King of PC Gaming'. It might have a claim on that title, but there is no crowbar backed by enough cash to lever Steam off it's well seated position. EA's history will always be a stain on their record.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;36304967]it's funny because their first expansion is call of duty style mapping and gameplay[/QUOTE] Then BF2=CoD?

[QUOTE=SatansSin;36304967]it's funny because their first expansion is call of duty style mapping and gameplay[/QUOTE] Second* Back to Karkand was first

[QUOTE=SatansSin;36304967]it's funny because their first expansion is call of duty style mapping and gameplay[/QUOTE] Second expansion. If you're going to attempt to insult something, at least get it right when you try.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36305061]Second expansion. If you're going to attempt to insult something, at least get it right when you try.[/QUOTE] I don't think he was trying to insult it. Call of Duty is known for it's faster paced, smaller map gameplay which DICE is replicating with Close Quarters. Just because you are comparing something to CoD doesn't mean you are trying to insult it. It just happens to be an analogue.

[QUOTE=Coffee;36305022]Origin is a white elephant in my opinion. It's highly unlikely that Origin will ever overtake Steam, Origin never has discounts, Origin doesn't really provide a better service than Steam, Origin is being pumped with loads of money by EA, yet it doesn't really support itself apart from the games that EA make Origin exclusive, such as: Mass Effect 3, Battlefield 3 and Star Wars: TOR. Whilst Origin does sell other games that are available on Steam, they're not really bought that much because Steam generally provides a better and more popular system. (To conserve processing power and RAM, people are going to only have either Origin or Steam on at any given point, however, some will prefer to use Steam more as it has a larger and more accessible community system [Steam Friends and the community tab], so generally speaking, most people will default to Steam.) EA doesn't have a very good policy on how they treat the customer. One thing that quite a lot of people object is how if a user is banned on EA's forums, they will also be banned from playing their Origin games. Whilst that is a smart way of encouraging good behaviour, you are just going to piss people off and force them to default to Steam instead. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism]Another thing is that EA have a very bad history of their interactions with the customer.[/url] Granted Steam is a DRM in itself and offline mode is finicky at best, but the DRM isn't horrible and Valve have a great policy to the consumer (yes this does cause fanboys to appear, but they do have good reasons to back up their zealotry. Then there's this article where some EA business executive is trying to slander Steam, but just ends up seeming stupid. Look at all the funny ratings for the OP! The people don't like EA, they reject EA's Origin and they do not want anything to do with EA. Unfortunately EA does have a few good intellectual properties which people do actually have a liking to, so some people will be purchasing EA's products. But Origin will never knock off Steam from it's position of 'King of PC Gaming'. It might have a claim on that title, but there is no crowbar backed by enough cash to lever Steam off it's well seated position. EA's history will always be a stain on their record.[/QUOTE] I've never claimed Origin will overtake Steam, I know it won't, EA know it won't, my grandmother knows it won't. Because EA have backed themselves into a corner with it by only offering their games, and not providing the sales you mentioned it will have a hard time competing. But that doesn't necessarily mean it will fail as a platform. The application itself is quite simple from my toying, the downloader is probably the only thing that won't break constantly, but EA have been working on it for years now. It's the new features, the community features that kinda don't work well that are the main issues with the application. As much as I hate to fall back on this argument a lot, the limited library may be a boon right now, but Valve did the exact same thing with Steam, offering their games through Steam and Steam only, it worked for them after they put effort into Steam and expanded the library, it could work for EA if they actually tried to rope some other developers in. But right now as they are only offering their games the library sucks and they don't see the need to run sales on things only they can sell. Which is just retarded to be honest. A lot of the things EA are doing right now are the same things Valve did (introduced buggy software to the market, exclusive rights to their games, etc.), apart from the horrible PR that they seem to enjoy putting out. And that's the main problem with Origin. It's being run by a public company, a company run by a group of people who have no interest in us, the customer, but their wallets and paychecks. They [B]have[/B] to make a profit, they have to please their shareholders. So they are trying whatever they can to get their platform out there, with bad choices like this article on occasion (slandering your opponent really isn't how you solve a problem). The guys working on Origin are stuck to what the shareholders desire, not what they think will get customers. If EA were private like Valve I expect their software would be so much better. Again, don't take my posts as EA fanboyism trying to defend a platform in its infancy. My posts are just pointing out that people who are so against Origin to want it gone entirely aren't actually putting any thought into this, and are just being horrendous fanboys for Steam. Origin will never reach where Steam is without Steam dying, but it still has a chance of success to some degree. Killing it is hardly the optimal solution. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36305209]I don't think he was trying to insult it. Call of Duty is known for it's faster paced, smaller map gameplay which DICE is replicating with Close Quarters. Just because you are comparing something to CoD doesn't mean you are trying to insult it. It just happens to be an analogue.[/QUOTE] Have you ever read a post about BF3 from SatansSin before? It was an insult. Everything posted by them recently about BF3 has been calling the game shit for unexplained reasons.

[QUOTE=Kabstrac;36305281]Didn't origin just do a store wide 50% off?[/QUOTE] Origin has sales all the time, I don't know where he got that.

EA is retarded and will die soon. Well, I hope they die soon.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;36304967]it's funny because their first expansion is call of duty style mapping and gameplay[/QUOTE] Oh so you think Close Quarters is the first battlefield 3 expansion? Well you are wrong it is Back to Karkand. For the not-so-informed Back to Karkand brought the biggest maps bf3 has yet.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36305219]I've never claimed Origin will overtake Steam, I know it won't, EA know it won't, my grandmother knows it won't. Because EA have backed themselves into a corner with it by only offering their games, and not providing the sales you mentioned it will have a hard time competing. [/quote] EA don't offer just their own games. They also sell stuff like The Witcher 2. [QUOTE=hexpunK;36305219] But that doesn't necessarily mean it will fail as a platform. The application itself is quite simple from my toying, the downloader is probably the only thing that won't break constantly, but EA have been working on it for years now. It's the new features, the community features that kinda don't work well that are the main issues with the application. [/QUOTE] The problem with the software isn't really the software itself, it's just that it's never going to be incredibly popular with users, and yet EA are adamant that they're going to keep pumping money into it, hence a white elephant. [QUOTE=hexpunK;36305219] As much as I hate to fall back on this argument a lot, the limited library may be a boon right now, but Valve did the exact same thing with Steam, offering their games through Steam and Steam only, it worked for them after they put effort into Steam and expanded the library, it could work for EA if they actually tried to rope some other developers in. But right now as they are only offering their games the library sucks and they don't see the need to run sales on things only they can sell. Which is just retarded to be honest. A lot of the things EA are doing right now are the same things Valve did (introduced buggy software to the market, exclusive rights to their games, etc.), apart from the horrible PR that they seem to enjoy putting out. [/QUOTE] The problem EA has here is that they joined the race far too late, and so they'll struggle to keep up and be competitive without blatantly copying other services. [QUOTE=hexpunK;36305219] Again, don't take my posts as EA fanboyism trying to defend a platform in its infancy. My posts are just pointing out that people who are so against Origin to want it gone entirely aren't actually putting any thought into this, and are just being horrendous fanboys for Steam. Origin will never reach where Steam is without Steam dying, but it still has a chance of success to some degree. Killing it is hardly the optimal solution. [/QUOTE] I think it would be better for Origin to remain as a fairly small time player, one thing that they lack is something unique that makes it stand out, sure they may sell Mass Effect 3 and Battlefield 3, but they need something extra to make it seem like a viable option to use. Download speeds are only seemingly faster because less people are using it; so there's less strain on the system. [QUOTE=Kabstrac;36305281]Didn't origin just do a store wide 50% off?[/QUOTE] This can't compare to Steam's deals though. Steam has a different game every day for sale, they have loads of products with different themed sales at times too. Then they have special seasonal sales as well. EA don't have enough sales because [i]apparently[/i] this cheapens intellectual property, when really it would just mean more profit for the company. However if they did have a load more sales then some would accuse them of trying to be like Steam too much. So what EA have to do is find a nice niche in the marketplace for them to take up, somewhere unique that allows them to stand out, but at the same time they shouldn't invest too much money into it with failed attempts at smear campaigns like the news article that this thread revolves around shows. [editline]12th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36305352]Origin has sales all the time, I don't know where he got that from.[/QUOTE] The sales don't have that much of an impact though because the games are hilariously expensive to begin with. [img]http://i.imgur.com/KrCEs.png[/img] Who would actually pay that much for SimCity, especially at this point where the exact release date isn't confirmed and not all the features have been thoroughly talked about, and those that have aren't really giving a very good impression of the game.

[QUOTE=Coffee;36305512]EA don't offer just their own games. They also sell stuff like The Witcher 2.[/QUOTE] Oh, when did this happen? I've been away from my gaming PC for a few months now so I've not been keeping up with libraries.

except instead of both of them being dull and trite, one is rather good and useful, and the other is crap and lacking in games.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36305659]Oh, when did this happen? I've been away from my gaming PC for a few months now so I've not been keeping up with libraries.[/QUOTE] They have a few games like The Witcher 2, Crusader Kings 2 and the Batman Arkham games, but aside from a small selection, most games are still EA games.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;36304453]You're a fucking idiot if you believe that. Origin can work as a platform, EA just need to put a lot of work into it. People said the exact same things when Steam launched (and when Steam launched it barely fucking worked anyway). But look at it now, enough work was put into it and it is now the de-facto platform for digital distribution.[/QUOTE] But Steam is by Valve. And Origin is by EA. I hope I don't have to explain that any further.

But, nobody has ever remembered the time swearing got someone banned from games on Origin, the forum, and all states the guy has worked for. I ain't buying anymore games from EA from 2006 and farther.

i hate ea and origin am i cool yet

that's a perfect comparison one is obviously trying desperately hard to copy the other

I don't hate Origin, I hate the fact that EA are forcing me to use it if I want to play the PC version of ME3.

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;36305039]Second* Back to Karkand was first[/QUOTE] back to karkand, it was more of just an addon cut from the original release seriously, it was advertised with the previews, so it's practically just part of the game so technically, close calls of quarters, duty for battlefields is the first DLC

Maybe if Origin tried to innovate one way or another, instead of blatantly copying Steam and trying to force their users by making their games Origin exclusives, people would actually start accepting Origin. I for one don't have Origin installed on my PC, and looking at what EA does to milk money from their userbase, I don't think I will have to in the near future.

Why use a service that is inferior in every way.