• Pleasantville, NY cop who killed college student named “Officer of the Year"
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29157006]Yeah hitting someone with a car isn't dangerous at all. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Uh Ok, so he has enough to time to pull out his pistol, remove the safety, and fire off several shots - also risking the car STILL going towards him. What would take longer? That or jumping the fuck out of the way. So no, I wouldn't shoot him because I'm not retarded.
[QUOTE=amute;29157895]Uh Ok, so he has enough to time to pull out his pistol, remove the safety, and fire off several shots - also risking the car STILL going towards him. What would take longer? That or jumping the fuck out of the way. So no, I wouldn't shoot him because I'm not retarded.[/QUOTE] He said he warned them, then the car hit him. Who knows where the car could've gone after it hit him? Straight into the highway, plowing through pedestrians, a lot of places. The guy either was intentionally hitting policemen or didn't listen to them screaming at him at gunpoint to stop his car. Either way, I think getting the car stopped is a pretty big priority.
You know in the UK it's extremely rare that this happens. Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=amute;29157895]Uh Ok, so he has enough to time to pull out his pistol, remove the safety, and fire off several shots - also risking the car STILL going towards him. What would take longer? That or jumping the fuck out of the way. So no, I wouldn't shoot him because I'm not retarded.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cym8vOgb3qU[/media] Faster to draw and shoot.
Why do cops need guns anyways?
[QUOTE=aydin690;29159372]Why do cops need guns anyways?[/QUOTE] To protect the lives of themselves and the public?
What the fuck I live 10 minutes from Pleasantville.
It's hard making decisions under pressure.
[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;29159321] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cym8vOgb3qU[/URL] Faster to draw and shoot.[/QUOTE] Not eveyone is as fast as the guy in the video. But no, it's not faster to draw, prepare your weapon and fire shots. If he managed to hit the guy, he awsn't exactly swerving fucking uncontrollably so much that he wasn't fucked if he didn't move the hell out of the way of the vehicle. The cop, like pretty much most cops, was a trigger happy cunt.
[QUOTE=amute;29159459]Not eveyone is as fast as the guy in the video. But no, it's not faster to draw, prepare your weapon and fire shots. If he managed to hit the guy, he awsn't exactly swerving fucking uncontrollably so much that he wasn't fucked if he didn't move the hell out of the way of the vehicle. The cop, like pretty much most cops, was a trigger happy cunt.[/QUOTE] It's amazing how you can completely assess the situation, exactly what was happening, what was going through everyone's mind, and the state of danger of everyone in the area based on these little snippets from the article: [quote]Police allege that Henry drove his car into Hess and another officer after refusing to stop.[/quote] [quote]According to lawyers for the Henry family, eyewitness accounts have differed from the police account of the shooting, raising questions about whether it was justified.[/quote] You should be a criminal detective or something.
[QUOTE=amute;29159459]Not eveyone is as fast as the guy in the video. But no, it's not faster to draw, prepare your weapon and fire shots. If he managed to hit the guy, he awsn't exactly swerving fucking uncontrollably so much that he wasn't fucked if he didn't move the hell out of the way of the vehicle. The cop, like pretty much most cops, was a trigger happy cunt.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt they had to draw their weapons just before they fired, more than likely they had drawn them long before the weapons were needed; which would make shooting much faster then trying to move out of the way. Also, what would you suggest they do after they move out of the way, let him drive through the streets? Or maybe chase him, putting many more lives at risk?
[QUOTE=chewgo;29159395]To protect the lives of themselves and the public?[/QUOTE] They don't really need guns for that.
[QUOTE=Meep Moop;29159637]I highly doubt they had to draw their weapons just before they fired, more than likely they had drawn them long before the weapons were needed; which would make shooting much faster then trying to move out of the way. Also, what would you suggest they do after they move out of the way, let him drive through the streets? Or maybe chase him, putting many more lives at risk?[/QUOTE]I agree with this. If he was unresponsive to police officers, armed and having their weapons ready, ordering him to stop his vehicle, if he was out of control of it, too intoxicated, or if he by his free will drove still from them, he had the potential to kill. There was a huge amount of risk with how his vehicle was moving. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=aydin690;29159651]They don't really need guns for that.[/QUOTE] When citizens can carry guns, what makes you think that they would not use it in an act against law enforcement? I think that they do need guns for it.
[QUOTE=chewgo;29159699]When citizens can carry guns, what makes you think that they would not use it in an act against law enforcement? I think that they do need guns for it.[/QUOTE] Why do citizens need guns? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.
[QUOTE=aydin690;29159808]Why do citizens need guns? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.[/QUOTE] That's not the point. The point is, citizens have guns and they're not going away anytime soon so how else are you going to protect from that?
[QUOTE=aydin690;29159808]Why do citizens need guns? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.[/QUOTE] When a government oversteps its limitations so far that the people see it fit to have a revolution.
[QUOTE=aydin690;29159808]Why do citizens need guns? For some reason, americans (and only americans) think guns protect people.[/QUOTE] Criminals also carry guns.
From what is described in the OP, the student attempted to run over the officers not once but [b]twice[/b]. Sounds to me like the officer was completely justified in shooting the guy. Perhaps not fatally, but the student brought it upon himself by attempting to run them over. It's not like the officers can just fling him out of the car GTA style.
[QUOTE=devcon;29159950]From what is described in the OP, the student attempted to run over the officers not once but [b]twice[/b]. Sounds to me like the officer was completely justified in shooting the guy. Perhaps not fatally, but the student brought it upon himself by attempting to run them over. It's not like the officers can just fling him out of the car GTA style.[/QUOTE] The article is worded ambiguously, he might've just hit the officers' squad cars.
It's ironic the place is called Pleasantville...
[QUOTE=scotland1;29159097]You know in the UK it's extremely rare that this happens. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] Probably because cops don't have guns in the UK :downs:
[QUOTE=chewgo;29159699]I agree with this. If he was unresponsive to police officers, armed and having their weapons ready, ordering him to stop his vehicle, if he was out of control of it, too intoxicated, or if he by his free will drove still from them, he had the potential to kill. There was a huge amount of risk with how his vehicle was moving. [editline]13th April 2011[/editline] When citizens can carry guns, what makes you think that they would not use it in an act against law enforcement? I think that they do need guns for it.[/QUOTE] So you can murder a man because he MIGHT hurt people? Are you fucking insane?
[QUOTE=amute;29162439]So you can murder a man because he MIGHT hurt people? Are you fucking insane?[/QUOTE] No not really, the good of the whole is more important than the individual. That is the basic idea behind behind a civil servant. Seriously that's one of the most basic lessons behind civics.
[QUOTE=amute;29162439]So you can murder a man because he MIGHT hurt people? Are you fucking insane?[/QUOTE]You want to wait until people are dead to kill the person? It's called prevention. If they wait too long, it's too late. They effectively stopped him from running themselves over or heading into the street, killing pedestrians on the sidewalk or causing a horrible collision.
Biased article made to turn people against the cop and police department. Hard to take this with any seriousness.
[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;29162858]Biased article made to turn people against the cop and police department. Hard to take this with any seriousness.[/QUOTE] The title is pretty emotion-catching, but I think the article itself is fairly fair. With a topic like this, it's tough to be unbiased.
Article only explains one viewpoint and that's the family of the dead drunkdriver not the side of the cop, trying to make the cop look like a murderer with a medal.
It's pretty interesting going to Pleasantville... I live two towns over from it, and they have a really wonderful independent movie theater that shows older classics, foreign films, indie movies, and a few mainstream movies. I was there seeing a film the other week on a Saturday night, and it was dead in the town; it used to be bustling with college kids, but after the shooting most of the college kids started going elsewhere, or up to the city. Can't really blame them, if that was my classmate I'd be freaking out. Pleasantville is a pretty small idyllic New England town, it's hard to believe a kid was shot to death there.
[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;29162997]Article only explains one viewpoint and that's the family of the dead drunkdriver not the side of the cop, trying to make the cop look like a murderer with a medal.[/QUOTE] Well the family is the only one who would agree to any comment or interview. I felt like they said what had been the officer's defense plainly and unbiasedly, but you're right, the majority of this article is the words of the family.
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