Dick Santorum tells rape victims to make the best of it and have that baby
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[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34858185]All right, as much as I can't fathom why Santorum even got this far, lets just put the knee-jerk reactions aside and think about what he's saying.
It's clear he's a pro-life individual and there's nothing wrong with that. He's not denying the horrifying circumstances of a rape victim but he's also not blowing them off entirely. This has more to do with the child than anything and he does have a point when he says that you could argue that one could have a ruined life for having an abortion.
To be honest, I find it offensive that "Jessice Pieklo" (writer of the article) seems to assume that abortion is an easy alternative to just having the baby. Nothing is wrong with putting a child up for adoption if you were to have it, rape circumstances or not. The logic is there for both sides of the argument.
Best alternative I say? No extremes, middle ground: pro-choice. The mother can decide herself.
Santorum isn't saying anything new that Conservatives have not already been saying for years on this subject.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously assuming that the other side of the argument is "let's force all pregnant rape victims to have abortions"? Because that's what I'm getting from your post. And it is blatantly wrong. [I]Blatant.[/I]
[I]Could[/I] an abortion ruin a life? Possibly. I doubt it would happen very often, but it could conceivably happen. However, [I]nobody is being FORCED to have an abortion.[/I] It's a [I]choice.[/I] That's what we're arguing for: pro-choice. Santorum wants to take the choice away. He is an asswipe for doing so.
Second, like Contag said, abortion is [I]literally[/I] easier than giving birth. Giving birth to the child requires 9 months of work and pain, culminating in an extremely painful and body-changing experience. In the case of rape victims, there's also much more mental stress than normal, and most likely physical stress as well. It's not hard to reason that, since rape often leaves the victim's genitals damaged in some way (see: fistulas), giving birth (which ALSO often damages the genitals) would make the situation even [I]worse[/I]. There's also the issue of the child being unwanted and unloved.
Adoption is DEFINITELY not a better solution than abortion. The adoption system already has many more kids than people are willing to adopt, so it's not like "hey, we put this kid up for adoption, okay everything's fixed now!"
And [I][B]please[/B][/I] tell me you weren't seriously thinking that the other side of the argument was "let's force pregnant rape victims to have abortions".
i want santorum to get raped and then impregnated just to see him make the best of it
[editline]25th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;34856677]someone should rape him and get HIM pregnant
That'll show 'em! :downs:[/QUOTE]
fuck your fucking self shit
Sounds fammiliar... practically every priest here in Russia spits the same shit from their dirty mouths. Why that Santorum guy does not say that he's going to adopt all such children, result of rape? That would somewhat justify his words.
[QUOTE=gudman;34858771]Sounds fammiliar... practically every priest here in Russia spits the same shit from his dirty mouth. Why that Santorum guy does not say that he's going to adopt all such children, result of rape? That would somewhat justify his words.[/QUOTE]
no. no it wouldn't.
[QUOTE=Last or First;34858715]*That's great but...*[/QUOTE]
Chief, we're on the same side:
[quote=Jim_Riley]Best alternative I say? No extremes, middle ground: pro-choice. The mother can decide herself.[/quote]
There's nothing wrong with a little objective thinking however because there's logic to both arguments.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;34858596]Honestly, I feel that he should just live out the rest of his long days known for the idiot he is.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone deserves a punishment THAT bad.
[QUOTE=Last or First;34858715]Are you seriously assuming that the other side of the argument is "let's force all pregnant rape victims to have abortions"? Because that's what I'm getting from your post. And it is blatantly wrong. [I]Blatant.[/I][/QUOTE]
I don't get that from his post.
He wants there to be a right to abortion but feels that adoption is a very viable alternative.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34858779]Chief, we're on the same side:
There's nothing wrong with a little objective thinking however because there's logic to both arguments.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the "Best alternative I say? No extremes, middle ground" threw me off. That made me think that you thought that [I]we[/I] thought the best solution was the other extreme. Mostly it seemed like you implied that there were more than 2 options (as opposed to banning abortion vs. pro-choice) and that there was a 'middle ground' of beliefs.
Then again, I was never really any good with English classes in school. Oh well.
Abortion is still easier than giving birth and putting the child up for adoption, though. Not that either is [I]wrong[/I], however.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34856695]No, that's a good depiction of Virginia perhaps, but not Alabama. We aren't THAT terrible. Virginia, however, actually does have an enormous white cross right on the state line, just like the ones in the background.[/QUOTE]
I've been to both states, and Alabama is by far the worse state.
man holy shit
i'm really clinging onto this faint, desperate hope that if santorum wins the primaries
he gets up on stage to make a speech
only to declare everyone who seriously supported him to be an absolute fucking retard of the highest caliber
seriously how can you BACK this asshole, everything he says is backwards and stupid, even most christians should be looking at this guy and being all like "yeah that dude's a fucking nut get him outta here"
Most Republicans I know (at least here in California) are planning on voting for Obama because they think everyone running on their side is fucking nuts.
Santorum comes from the Latin word sanctorum, which is the plural genetive of the latin word sanctus, sancta, sanctum.
This word means sacred.
I guess that makes sense since Santorum has a "holier than thou" attitude problem.
He's a dick.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34858185]
To be honest, I find it offensive that "Jessice Pieklo" (writer of the article) seems to assume that abortion is an easy alternative to just having the baby. Nothing is wrong with putting a child up for adoption if you were to have it, rape circumstances or not. The logic is there for both sides of the argument.[/QUOTE]
Fuck, this adoption bullshit again.
I'll say this as simply as possible: Adoption is an option for a woman who doesn't want to be a parent. However, abortion is the only option for a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant. There's a big difference.
As I said upthread:
[QUOTE=devotchkade;34856050]Often if a rape victim is impregnated, mental health professionals will advise getting an abortion so that they can focus on their own recovery. Because nothing will remind you of rape like carrying around the rapist's offspring for 9 months, undergoing the extraordinarily painful and often traumatic experience of birth, and having to either put that child up for adoption (which is not the dream solution that anti-choicers think it is, and can cause severe mental health issues in its own right) or keeping it for another ~18 years.
[/QUOTE]
All pregnancies come with unwanted side effects, no matter how easy the pregnancy is. And that's if you're lucky. If you're one of the many who aren't, it can seriously injure or kill you, and often does - especially as certain groups in the US have waged an effective war against late-term abortions, which are almost always done not because the mother couldn't be fucked getting an abortion earlier, but because her life and/or the life of the fetus is at severe risk.
Birth in and of itself is very painful and traumatic for most people, which makes sense, because you're pushing something the size of a watermelon out of your fucking genitals. Moreover, adoption comes with very real and significant mental health issues, because even if women don't want to be a parent, they usually agonize for the rest of their lives over what happened to their child, and if they made the right decision (some of this is in part because significant emotional bonding between a mother and her child occurs during pregnancy and the first few minutes after giving birth). The rates of mental health issues are much higher for women who have given their children up for adoption than for women who have had an abortion.
Lastly, women (or, in certain cases, children) who get pregnant as a result of rape are usually putting their mental health on the line if they carry the pregnancy to term. You cannot really heal from the trauma of a rape if you are constantly reminded of it because you are carrying the rapist's child.
[url=http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0905882]Here's a study that indicates that abortion does not have a significant mental health impact on those who choose it, as compared to those who do give birth (whereupon mental health issues seem to be more prevalent)[/url].
I honestly wish death on him. He does nothing but spread lies, pain, and misery to people.
[QUOTE=An Armed Bear;34858176]Rick the Prick[/QUOTE]
I see what you did there.
[QUOTE=The Worm;34856117]Because he's a right wing Christian. Christians aren't all bad.[/QUOTE]
True, but nevertheless, the other statement is sadly equally true. The run for US Presidency (for the GOP part) has been more about their private life, than their politics. This is [I]insane.[/I]
I knoe it is wrong, but i kinda wish his daughter and wife would be raped and impregnated, and start begging him for abortions...
[QUOTE=fantafuzz;34860968]I knoe it is wrong, but i kinda wish his daughter and wife would be raped and impregnated, and start begging him for abortions...[/QUOTE]
You're right it's wrong, so fucking right mate.
You wish extreme harm to come to his family, simply because he has a retarded opinion? It's folk like you who make people lose faith in the fucking species.
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34860982]You're right it's wrong, so fucking right mate.
You wish extreme harm to come to his family, simply because he has a retarded opinion? It's folk like you who make people lose faith in the fucking species.
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
His retarded opinion [I]is[/I] causing extreme harm
it's not like he lives in a vaccum where opinions can't cause harm, and even then, he's a fucking legislator for god sake
wishing death upon someone isn't a big deal.
i mean that just means you don't want him to become immortal considering people will die, that's kind of what they do.
[QUOTE=Contag;34860997]His retarded opinion [I]is[/I] causing extreme harm
it's not like he lives in a vaccum where opinions can't cause harm, and even then, he's a fucking legislator for god sake[/QUOTE]
Hey I'm not defending Santorum, I genuinely feel for everyone in American fue to the possibility he might actually win, but come on man, is wishing his family gets raped really the right way to handle this?
I'm not condoning it, but it's certainly understandable
Fair enough, and that's your opinion, but I can't imagine any set of circumstances where wishing someones family gets raped becomes a legitimate wish.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34861035]Fair enough, and that's your opinion, but I can't imagine any set of circumstances where wishing someones family gets raped becomes a legitimate wish.[/QUOTE]
If you could save the world by having someone's family raped, would you do it?
would you do you to save people from all the pain of being forced to give birth, or much more likely, attempt abortion or suicide at home?
As I said, it's understandable
Is it me or are most conservatives picturing women getting aborted as sluts with devil horns willingly running to the clinic after having asked to be raped with a big nice smile on their face ?
Who the fuck would [I]like[/I] being aborted anyway
Dude I'm not defending santorum, if a girl wants an abortion why the hell should I stop her?
And come on to fuck man, that first scenario will never happen, ever :colbert:
All I'm saying is, that realistically it's difficult to imagine a scenario where I'd be so angry at someone that I would wish that their family is raped. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm raging as fuck that there are people who would vote for this dick gurgling thunder fuck, but I don't think he deserves to have his whole family raped, not because of the emotional shit he'd go through, but for the fact [i]his family members would have to go through that[/i] and they're not responsible for this guy being a daft mongo fuck.
I think he's actually doing all this on purpose.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34861083]Is it me or are most conservatives picturing women getting aborted as sluts with devil horns willingly running to the clinic after having asked to be raped with a big nice smile on their face ?
Who the fuck would [I]like[/I] being aborted anyway[/QUOTE]
Nah that's the way it seems to me, and that conservatives see themselves as modern day templars defending the world from the devils influence.
They seem to have pretty much romanticised everything the fight for or against into some grand battle, which frankly is terifying cause to me that means that they're extremists with an enormous amount of power.
I remember a story my grandma once told me about abortion.
Fifty years ago she was a nurse at a hospital in Massachusetts. One day one of the nurses she worked with, a blonde-haired, happy woman, always had a smile on her face, always going out of her way to make the patients comfortable, had to deliver a prescription to an ill man who was living at an apartment complex in the town. When the nurse got there, she walked up the stairs, and made the mistake of knocking on the wrong door. When it opened, the man she was expecting wasn't there. What opened the door was a violent, evil man, a criminal on parole. He pulled her into the room, beat her mercilessly, and raped her. A while later as she was recovering, she received worse news. She was pregnant, and she was not even 20 years old.. Abortion was still illegal in Massachusetts then, and her family knew she would probably die from an "operation" by a back-alley abortionist. So they did the only thing they could do, the entire family got together all their life-savings, every last penny and paid for a trip to Switzerland to have an abortion performed by a professional.
All this because she knocked on the wrong door and politicians thought they know what is truly "moral."
yeah, but what you're not taking into account is baby jesus
you want to make baby jesus cry?
you're probably satan.
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