Obama likely to endorse Clinton as early as this week
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[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50476351]Why are you conflating donations to politicians and lobbying, two different phenomena with different effects?[/QUOTE]
Because it's all connected. It's more than a coincidence that the primary donors for the Republican party are also primary funders for the lobby group that the Republicans will most likely to not only meet with, but pass their legislation.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50476351]Why are you conflating donations to politicians and lobbying, two different phenomena with different effects?[/QUOTE]
if you want to play ignorant that's fine, but that's all you are
ignorant
[QUOTE=sb27;50474520]And yet again, these people are donating to Hillary not because they want to bribe her to change policy one way or another, but because they already agree with her. [/QUOTE]
Do you really think that a politician can't be at all influenced by hundreds of thousands of dollars coming their way, simply because it doesn't come with a list of demands? Do you really think wealthy donors who get private audience with those politicians wouldn't offer suggestions for behavior that might be rewarded with another generous donation? They would have to be absolute idiots not to take advantage of the opportunity staring them in the face.
It doesn't have to be an outright bribe for money to have an effect on a candidate's political beliefs. A candidate focused on getting paid is going to keep doing the things that get them paid, and that gives the people doing the paying political influence.
[QUOTE=catbarf;50481312]Do you really think that a politician can't be at all influenced by hundreds of thousands of dollars coming their way, simply because it doesn't come with a list of demands? Do you really think wealthy donors who get private audience with those politicians wouldn't offer suggestions for behavior that might be rewarded with another generous donation? They would have to be absolute idiots not to take advantage of the opportunity staring them in the face.
It doesn't have to be an outright bribe for money to have an effect on a candidate's political beliefs. A candidate focused on getting paid is going to keep doing the things that get them paid, and that gives the people doing the paying political influence.[/QUOTE]
even obama said that just by raising money from those types of donors, he heard different issues from them and that the longer he spent with that crowd, the less he could relate to normal problems
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