[QUOTE=Ott;51498948]y=1/(2^x) will never reach zero[/QUOTE]
Reality isn't a mathematical function. Well, not just one. There are lots of extraneous variables to consider when thinking about DNA degradation, so the preservation conditions of a given specimen definitely can leave absolutely no salvageable DNA.
[QUOTE=Captain;51498913]I like how this is even further proof that dinosaurs had feathers.
Feathered Dinos > Scaled Dinos[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, there's actually never been any evidence that any dinosaurs [i]weren't[/i] feathered, and plenty to say that they were. Chances are they all we're.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;51499402]Yeah actually im more interested in that ant[/QUOTE]
Same. I wanna know how different it is from currently known species of ant.
[QUOTE=Captain;51498913]I like how this is even further proof that dinosaurs had feathers.
Feathered Dinos > Scaled Dinos[/QUOTE]
[video]https://youtu.be/nq49IqumQ2E[/video]
[QUOTE=Ott;51498948]y=1/(2^x) will never reach zero[/QUOTE]
yeah in mathematics
[editline]9th December 2016[/editline]
not to mention 0.5^x=0 as x approaches ∞
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;51499435]As far as I know, there's actually never been any evidence that any dinosaurs [i]weren't[/i] feathered, and plenty to say that they were. Chances are they all we're.[/QUOTE]
There are certain ones that most likely weren't. Carnotaurus, for instance, has had fossil skin imprints found that showed it had thick scales and armor-like scutes, which makes it unlikely to have had feathers.
[editline]8th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51499438]Same. I wanna know how different it is from currently known species of ant.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what species that is off by heart or anything, but most likely? It's nearly identical. Ants and whatnot haven't changed much in a very long time; in a nutshell, they're already perfect.
I can't believe that we've found the tail of the first dinosaur. :smile:
[QUOTE=SirJon;51499066]jesus fucking christ that ant is older than some [B]mountains[/B], holy fucking christ[/QUOTE]
clone it and create human-tamed super ants
[QUOTE=RikohZX;51499740]clone it and create human-tamed super ants[/QUOTE]
I for one welcome our new ant overlords
This is incredible!
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51498869]Pretty cool that the ant probably didn’t change at all that much to today’s ants.[/QUOTE]
Given how giant things were back then, I'm sure it was the size of a modern day Jack Russel.
That ant knew what dinosaurs looked like
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51498869]Pretty cool that the ant probably didn’t change at all that much to today’s ants.[/QUOTE]
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
I can't believe that ant lived through both World Wars, incredible.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51498893]Dont care, clone it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Jurassic Park or bust!
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51500178]I can't believe that ant lived through [I]every war in human history[/I], incredible.[/QUOTE]
the ant is the real hero
When will the ant be on Ellen?
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;51500537]I can't believe that ant lived through [I]every war in human history[/I], incredible.[/QUOTE]
but it's dead
and has been for a very
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[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51500594]It's actually pretty funny how in the movie the key to cloning was found preserved in amber as well in a passing by animal
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VYr_kavElqQ/UwEk-BKacFI/AAAAAAAAfQc/xhWG-V22L6Y/s1600/JurassicPark_014Pyxurz.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
In the book, it was by grinding up fossils for trace amounts of DNA - something that turns out to [I]almost[/I] work.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51500178]I can't believe that ant lived through both World Wars, incredible.[/QUOTE]
It actually is dead inside the amber.
That's what the ant wants you to believe.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51502494]Except these are discrete molecules, not an infinitely dividable substance.[/QUOTE]
Yes but the chance of finding a useable strand of dna, even partial is never 0.
We dont even need a full or even actual dna, its shadow is enough to extrapolate what the dna was and we can rebuild a strand protein by protein. (it has been done before)
My guess is we wil get a full set of dino dna within our lifetime, the time frame is on the edge of 'really hard, but not impossible'.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51498869]Pretty cool that the ant probably didn’t change at all that much to today’s ants.[/QUOTE]
Ants, mosquitos, sharks, crocs
Some designs just work so well there's no point in changing.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51502604]With the number of half lives passed, there'd be 1 / 10^57,201 of the original population left. Even if that tail had as many DNA molecules as atoms in the universe, the chance of a single surviving sample would be nearly zero.[/QUOTE]
You dont need the actual dna to reconstruct it, and you can reconstruct parts through guesswork and seeing what their relatives are like.
Thats why it was bullshit just after jurassic park, but these days its possible to predict it will be done.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;51502701]Ants, mosquitos, sharks, crocs
Some designs just work so well there's no point in changing.[/QUOTE]
Like the twinkie
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200]Yes but the chance of finding a useable strand of dna, even partial is never 0.[/QUOTE]
yes it is. in this case actually! [I]where are you getting this information[/I]
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200]We dont even need a full or even actual dna, its shadow is enough to extrapolate what the dna was and we can rebuild a strand protein by protein. (it has been done before)[/QUOTE]
it has been done, yes, on the scale of individual bacterium cells - about 0.2 micrometers in diameter, [I]using existing dna from other bacteria.
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[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200]My guess is we wil get a full set of dino dna within our lifetime, the time frame is on the edge of 'really hard, but not impossible'.[/QUOTE]
[B]there is no literally no dinosaur DNA left on the planet[/B]
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200]You dont need the actual dna to reconstruct it[/QUOTE]
yes you do!
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200] and you can reconstruct parts through guesswork and seeing what their relatives are like.[/QUOTE]
good thing we have no basis for this "guesswork" (that isn't how it works either)
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51503200]Thats why it was bullshit just after jurassic park, but these days its possible to predict it will be done.[/QUOTE]
nope it's still bullshit
[QUOTE=_charon;51500603]In the book, it was by grinding up fossils for trace amounts of DNA - something that turns out to [I]almost[/I] work.[/QUOTE]
It was both in the book. Grinding up fossils was the primary way, with Amber extraction yielding better results.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;51498821]Poor ant, it had the chance to be really cool one day but some asshole dinosaur just HAD to die near it.[/QUOTE]
He did a pretty damn good job at throwing himself out there for ~scale~ though. Good job ant!
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