Windows 7 continues to grow at a faster rate than Windows 8 and 8.1 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=coldroll5;43392957]That's the reason most people with windows 7 don't want to upgrade too it. I used Windows 8 for a month and it felt slightly better but not a night and day upgrade like going from vista to 7.[/QUOTE] I'd upgrade given the opportunity, but to me it doesn't seem like much more than a big service pack and some ui mods.

[QUOTE=Satane;43382541]I have and it is not.[/QUOTE] You haven't got use to it. Just using it once and then giving up is like trying to ride a bike, failing to stay upright, then saying it's broken/unusable. Personally, I believe that this: [thumb]http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/554/images/startmenu-1.jpg[/thumb] Is less accessible than this: [thumb]http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/554/images/startmenu-2.jpg[/thumb] Which one has more programs that you can access in a click? Not to mention the insane speed of W8's search process. Before you say "Where's all my documents and computer icons?! I can just click computer in the W7 start menu." [img]http://i.imgur.com/yaTTq1S.png[/img] That's a simple right click, no more clicks than it would be in W7, on the start button. Personally, I just think people aren't willing to adapt to the new start menu or they don't give it enough time. You can stay with Windows 7 if you really like; you don't HAVE to upgrade. It's just stupid to say it's not more usable when you've used it once. Don't review a product you haven't actually used as if you're going to keep it. [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] Oh, and reminder: Before I got Windows 8, I was in the same group of people who said it was fucking useless and I'd stick with Windows 7 in less than a month. I've had it since the $15 upgrade deal and I love it. I haven't had many problems with compatibility, and if I have, it's been fixed/the compatibility troubleshooter fixes it.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;43394578] That's a simple right click, no more clicks than it would be in W7, on the start button. Personally, I just think people aren't willing to adapt to the new start menu or they don't give it enough time. You can stay with Windows 7 if you really like; you don't HAVE to upgrade. It's just stupid to say it's not more usable when you've used it once. Don't review a product you haven't actually used as if you're going to keep it. [/QUOTE] I've been on W8 for half a year now or something and what bugs me is that start menu is fullscreen. It's just unnecessary to do that. I wish there was a mode where it would open as a sidebar and not a fullscreen window. I have under 10 icons in my start menu so having it fullscreen is a waste of space. Same with search. I'd prefer if it opened as a sidebar menu, this way if I am reading some guide and need to search for specific thing I can just read it off instead of having to memorize it or reset my clipboard.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43394670]I've been on W8 for half a year now or something and what bugs me is that start menu is fullscreen. It's just unnecessary to do that. I wish there was a mode where it would open as a sidebar and not a fullscreen window. I have under 10 icons in my start menu so having it fullscreen is a waste of space. Same with search. I'd prefer if it opened as a sidebar menu, this way if I am reading some guide and need to search for specific thing I can just read it off instead of having to memorize it or reset my clipboard.[/QUOTE] I believe Start8 actually has the former feature that you mentioned. You can make it half your screen or even 25%.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43394670]I've been on W8 for half a year now or something and what bugs me is that start menu is fullscreen. It's just unnecessary to do that. I wish there was a mode where it would open as a sidebar and not a fullscreen window. I have under 10 icons in my start menu so having it fullscreen is a waste of space. Same with search. I'd prefer if it opened as a sidebar menu, this way if I am reading some guide and need to search for specific thing I can just read it off instead of having to memorize it or reset my clipboard.[/QUOTE] Well, the only solution is to simply pin more - throw it to the right, and you'll have to search for a lot less stuff. Pretty nice with folders as well. The new Start Screen is only really better if you have more shortcuts on there, otherwise it's not much of an improvement. If you aren't using that many programs, I guess something like Start8 would be more fitting for you. And Win+S does exactly what you'd like for search, hope it helps.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;43394705]I believe Start8 actually has the former feature that you mentioned. You can make it half your screen or even 25%.[/QUOTE] This is why people with win7 don't upgrade. You gotta buy something that should've been in there by default anyway.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43394670]Same with search. I'd prefer if it opened as a sidebar menu, this way if I am reading some guide and need to search for specific thing I can just read it off instead of having to memorize it or reset my clipboard.[/QUOTE] Win + S.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43394730]This is why people with win7 don't upgrade. You gotta buy something that should've been in there by default anyway.[/QUOTE] $5 isn't that much of a price to pay..

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;43394767]$5 isn't that much of a price to pay..[/QUOTE] It's still more than you should for a feature that is removed for no good reason.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43394730]This is why people with win7 don't upgrade. You gotta buy something that should've been in there by default anyway.[/QUOTE] "Should've been there b default" is a pretty big claim. The designers didn't want it there, they wanted to try something. There's no "should've" about it. Maybe a "could've".

[QUOTE=hexpunK;43395000]"Should've been there b default" is a pretty big claim. The designers didn't want it there, they wanted to try something. There's no "should've" about it. Maybe a "could've".[/QUOTE] It's stupid to remove a feature and replace it with something radically different. Standard start menu worked for me much better than metro one. Why do I have to buy a 3rd party app to get a feature that was in windows before back? The problem is not missing old start menu, the problem is that metro one is not customizable at all. Ability to change accent color and background doesn't count. 8.1 scratched the surface of customization a bit more but it still has a really long way to go until it fits MY needs. If it fits yours that's cool. Sadly it doesn't fit mine and I am upset I have to buy a 3rd party app to get back what I had before.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43395074]It's stupid to remove a feature and replace it with something radically different. Standard start menu worked for me much better than metro one. Why do I have to buy a 3rd party app to get a feature that was in windows before back? The problem is not missing old start menu, the problem is that metro one is not customizable at all. Ability to change accent color and background doesn't count. 8.1 scratched the surface of customization a bit more but it still has a really long way to go until it fits MY needs. If it fits yours that's cool. Sadly it doesn't fit mine and I am upset I have to buy a 3rd party app to get back what I had before.[/QUOTE] You can get free programs to replace the Metro UI, you are aware of that right? They might not have the dazzle of Stardocks' shit straight away but they are flexible (Classic Shell). You remove features when you have new ones that depreciate the old ones. Maintaining extra code just to keep a menu that they may never go back to again doesn't seem worth the time. If a bug pops up that seems to effect both things, they have more work to fix said bug. From a developer standpoint it makes sense. From the designer standpoint, how else are they going to get people to try Metro? Users are stubborn and only a minority actually try new features if they are optional (especially if they aren't advertised). But by forcing users to use Metro, they can see what works and what doesn't. This is basic software engineering. The Start Menu was hardly customisable anyway. You could pin things, change some shortcuts, rearrange things...that's about it really.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43395074]It's stupid to remove a feature and replace it with something radically different. Standard start menu worked for me much better than metro one. Why do I have to buy a 3rd party app to get a feature that was in windows before back? The problem is not missing old start menu, the problem is that metro one is not customizable at all. Ability to change accent color and background doesn't count. 8.1 scratched the surface of customization a bit more but it still has a really long way to go until it fits MY needs. If it fits yours that's cool. Sadly it doesn't fit mine and I am upset I have to buy a 3rd party app to get back what I had before.[/QUOTE] If anything, the look and feel of Metro is much more customizeable (in the sense that the Start Menu basically wasn't). You can also change size, etc. of the icons and make groups, so I [I]really[/I] don't know what you're getting at customization-wise. You can argue that it's bad or whatever, but it's definitely more customizeable than the Start Menu.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43395307] You can argue that it's bad or whatever, but it's definitely more customizeable than the Start Menu.[/QUOTE]I don't deny that. But metro menu doesn't work for me personally.

I think I'd miss the start button too much

[QUOTE=garychencool;43395730]I think I'd miss the start button too much[/QUOTE] But it's there

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;43394767]$5 isn't that much of a price to pay..[/QUOTE] It's the principle of Microsoft's incompetence.

So what you can get from this thread is: If you have Win7, it's not worth upgrading to Win8.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;43395000]"Should've been there b default" is a pretty big claim. The designers didn't want it there, they wanted to try something. There's no "should've" about it. Maybe a "could've".[/QUOTE] Oh ok microsofts designer's didn't want it we shouldn't expect it either go home everyone.

[QUOTE=Arid;43382194]I'd be surprised if any IT department would even consider upgrading office PC's and the like over to 8[/QUOTE] My entire university switched from win 7 to win 8 over the summer

[QUOTE=Kagu;43396319]So what you can get from this thread is: If you have Win7, it's not worth upgrading to Win8.[/QUOTE] Which is the exact point driven home every single damn W8 thread, and yet people repeatedly open up their first post in a new W8 thread with "just upgrade you'll 'get used to it'" and "you have no excuse, upgrade to w8" and "if you don't like it, you haven't used it" Its really damn annoying.

[QUOTE=Arid;43382194]I'd be surprised if any IT department would even consider upgrading office PC's and the like over to 8[/QUOTE] I am in the process of upgrading ~50 machines to windows 8. I am getting rave reviews from my end users on search efficiency and general performance. The few complaints I do get are quelled within 3 days of use or eventually fixed with start8 (3 machines out of the 30 I have upgraded so far). Server 2012 is also the best Microsoft server OS I have ever used, although I mostly blame that on the new server manager.

It's a matter of taste for me but I don't think I'll go to Win8, I might wait for 9 to see how that is. I could get Start8 and all that shit but I don't feel like I should have to.