Man beaten with iron rod for rising the israel flag in Sweden. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=junker154;45323857]I don't know about you but I believe there is a positive attitude towards nationalism. What's wrong with being proud of your history, culture, food or achievements? As long as you don't consider other nations as scum.[/QUOTE] well my main problem with taking pride in your country's achievements is that it's inherently flawed to take personal credit in something you had absolutely nothing to do with. i mean if the only reason for your sense of national pride is because an entirely random and arbitrary lottery placed you in a particular country for no conceivable reason, how has that got any kind of merit to it at all, much less on a personal level? if a nameless French amnesiac comes out of a coma in an American hospital with no idea who he is, he literally has as much to do with Washington crossing the Delaware as anyone who was actually born in that exact hospital. i mean history and food and all that are all pretty important in different ways so don't think i necessarily have a problem with those, it's just taking credit for being a product of an entirely randomized system that i can't agree with

I don't know where you get this idea of "taking credit" from. Praising your ancestors is the opposite, it's [I]giving[/I] credit.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;45321513]When it comes to gang-related violence and general criminality, Malmö is the worst, or at the very least, one of the worst cities in Sweden.[/QUOTE] It's the third largest city in Sweden, with close proximity to Denmark's capital. Your statement means nothing.

What kind of attitude is that? [I]Your statement means nothing[/I]? Stockholm is the largest city in Sweden and Scandinavia alone, and it also has several municipalities with many foreigners in them, yet it is more common to hear news like this coming from Malmö.

[QUOTE=junker154;45323857]I don't know about you but I believe there is a positive attitude towards nationalism. What's wrong with being proud of your history, culture, food or achievements? As long as you don't consider other nations as scum.[/QUOTE] While I don't think there is something wrong with flags, I really don't get how you can be proud of something that you have not done/created yourself. I like Sweden but I did not make a choice to be born there that I can be proud of, and I did not found the country. I also like meatballs (that I believe are from Sweden) but I did not create them, nor did I in any way affect the inventor of them and I don't think him being swedish had anything to do with his decision to roll minced meat into balls. I am proud of some things that I have been part of in Sweden, but I am not proud of Sweden and I am not proud of being swedish.

[QUOTE=Cone;45324480]well my main problem with taking pride in your country's achievements is that it's inherently flawed to take personal credit in something you had absolutely nothing to do with. i mean if the only reason for your sense of national pride is because an entirely random and arbitrary lottery placed you in a particular country for no conceivable reason, how has that got any kind of merit to it at all, much less on a personal level? if a nameless French amnesiac comes out of a coma in an American hospital with no idea who he is, he literally has as much to do with Washington crossing the Delaware as anyone who was actually born in that exact hospital. i mean history and food and all that are all pretty important in different ways so don't think i necessarily have a problem with those, it's just taking credit for being a product of an entirely randomized system that i can't agree with[/QUOTE] That's true, I have the same take on it. I don't get when people emphasize on "we" when talking about their government. Although citizens are contributing to the society in a lot ways and they don't even realize it. I prefer the term culture over nationalism. People have this need to identify themselves with their nation or traditions, culture is pretty good at filling that need. [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=maeZtro;45325715]While I don't think there is something wrong with flags, I really don't get how you can be proud of something that you have not done/created yourself. I like Sweden but I did not make a choice to be born there that I can be proud of, and I did not found the country. I also like meatballs (that I believe are from Sweden) but I did not create them, nor did I in any way affect the inventor of them and I don't think him being swedish had anything to do with his decision to roll minced meat into balls. I am proud of some things that I have been part of in Sweden, but I am not proud of Sweden and I am not proud of being swedish.[/QUOTE] But you're still supporting your government and living in sweden. Even if you didn't influence major events in the past, you're still a part of a nation now and your vote or actions influence your surroundings.

[QUOTE]But you're still supporting your government and living in sweden. Even if you didn't influence major events in the past, you're still a part of a nation now and your vote or actions influence your surroundings.[/QUOTE] Yes but I would be proud of myself for voting for something I consider important and I would be proud of myself for influencing my surroundings for the better. In the same way I am not ashamed of Sweden because a man got beaten with an iron rod there. I just think the people who did it are retarded and if I knew the people who did it I would be ashamed of them.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45323488]National pride is useless and only further reinforces the "us vs. them" mentality that divides us as a species. Arbitrary lines on a map already do that well enough, thank you, we don't need dick-measuring contests between people who were born into their nation by pure happenstance.[/QUOTE] What? Are you trying to lump in xenophobia and bigotry with national pride - or cultural pride like Junker said, I actually prefer that as well. You can pull the "arbitrary circumstance" card all you want, there's nothing wrong with being proud of where you came from and where you live. Pride isn't bad. Arrogance is. Nationalism - or again, cultural appreciation - isn't bad. Xenophobia and bigotry is. You're seriously trying to make it sound like saying "I am proud to be an American" is the exact same thing as saying "Fuck anyone who isn't American" and it isn't in the slightest.

Most people in Sweden are secretly racist.

The fact that the opening post has almost as many people rating a post winner as friendly, stating that person was beaten simply for displaying an Israeli flag, shows that Facepunch has an underlying tone (I wonder what it is?) that the majority go out to vehemently deny exists.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45324150]anti-nationalists are honestly some of the most tedious fellows on the planet, aren't they? It is possible to be overly nationalistic, but at the same time it is also permissible to be nationalistic to a good extent, one which is beneficial, promoting a successful state. Nationalism isn't inherently useless. What's fucking useless is dramatic assholes criticizing people for flying their own goddamn flags. [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] what is an anti-nationalist's view of the Fourth of July?[/QUOTE] why take pride in an invisible border you didn't even choose to be born within? why not take pride for humanity as a whole?

[QUOTE=Bobie;45326271]why take pride in an invisible border you didn't even choose to be born within? why not take pride for humanity as a whole?[/QUOTE] Can't there be both?

[QUOTE=Hellsten;45326283]Can't there be both?[/QUOTE] you can't be an american nationalist and at the same time understand that the borders that we operate aren't real. you're celebrating the idea that your country is different from any other; it isn't. its a big chunk of land you just happened to be born on, and its going to exist way after you, and every other person in your country, and the world, is dead.

Oy vey, this is just like another shoah!

[QUOTE=DogGunn;45326194]The fact that the opening post has almost as many people rating a post winner as friendly, stating that person was beaten simply for displaying an Israeli flag, shows that Facepunch has an underlying tone (I wonder what it is?) that the majority go out to vehemently deny exists.[/QUOTE] It has a lot to do with a couple of the mods being antisemitic

[QUOTE=dije;4531574]We kind of dislike nationalists of any kind though,[b] it's seen as a very bad thing to raise a Swedish flag [/b] and raising another country's flag is at times more accepted :v:[/QUOTE] Ahahah, being proud of your nation is frowned upon? Holy shit, what kind of pussy mentality is this. Only a matter of time before speaking in your native language is frowned upon, if this keeps up.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;45325506]It's the third largest city in Sweden, with close proximity to Denmark's capital. Your statement means nothing.[/QUOTE] It is YOUR statement that means nothing. Okay its the third largest city. So what? If the third largest city has a disproportionately high violent crime rate, it is literally a more dangerous city. If the third largest city has a higher violent crime rate than larger cities, it begs the question as to what is happening there demographically or economically that is causing that.

not surprising that it's sweden

[QUOTE=Bobie;45326271]why take pride in an invisible border you didn't even choose to be born within? why not take pride for humanity as a whole?[/QUOTE] Different cultures exist regardless of borders.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45317433]Lol. How much do you want to bet me that when and if they find the perp he's a Somalian Muslim, not some neo-nazi?[/QUOTE]Same thing was said about the Utøya massacre when the news was just breaking here, and look how that turned out. It being done by a neo-Nazi is not that far-fetched a possibility.

[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;45326464]Ahahah, being proud of your nation is frowned upon? Holy shit, what kind of pussy mentality is this. Only a matter of time before speaking in your native language is frowned upon, if this keeps up.[/QUOTE] B-But there's nothing to be proud of! You didn't do any of the stuff yourself! You're just intolerant and supporting racist sentiments!

Utoya was an isolated incident and a premeditated purposefully planned out, politically driven attack. Occam's razor dude. Given that african immigrants are over-represented in Sweden's crime statistics, and Malmo's recent history having a wave of anti-semitic incidents. I very very much doubt it was some neo-nazi attack

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45326604]Different cultures exist regardless of borders.[/QUOTE] and those cultures can co-exist peacefully. they do in this country; are you arguing that culture defines some kind of separation between humans?

can we stop talking about chance lol? if I was born into a rich family and my dad owned a lamborghini I'd still be proud of it. I specifically conceded that [I]extreme[/I] nationalism was bad, and asked about [I]moderate[/I] nationalism and the Fourth of July, our national holiday, because I wanted to see if you could at all oppose such small things without shuddering at the thought of Hitlers and Mussolinis. Fourth of July is a day of fireworks and celebration, and [I]nationalism[/I]. I participated in these celebrations. Big fucking deal. i really feel for you guys, coming onto a forum and seeing that it's the cool liberal attitude to be anti-nationalist. Of course you tack on to it without actually thinking. Hell, some of you are born in pussy states like Sweden who foster self-apology. What's a guy to do?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45327881]can we stop talking about chance lol? if I was born into a rich family and my dad owned a lamborghini I'd still be proud of it. I specifically conceded that [I]extreme[/I] nationalism was bad, and asked about [I]moderate[/I] nationalism and the Fourth of July, our national holiday, because I wanted to see if you could at all oppose such small things without shuddering at the thought of Hitlers and Mussolinis. Fourth of July is a day of fireworks and celebration, and [I]nationalism[/I]. I participated in these celebrations. Big fucking deal. i really feel for you guys, coming onto a forum and seeing that it's the cool liberal attitude to be anti-nationalist. Of course you tack on to it without actually thinking. Hell, some of you are born in pussy states like Sweden who foster self-apology. What's a guy to do?[/QUOTE] nobody is telling you that it's cool to be liberal or anti nationalist, and nobody is telling you that the 4th of july is a bad idea. i'm just arguing (calmly) that nationalism is inherently flawed. and maybe it causes people to have views like this: [quote]some of you are born in pussy states like Sweden who foster self-apology.[/quote]

[QUOTE=dije;45315740]We kind of dislike nationalists of any kind though, it's seen as a very bad thing to raise a Swedish flag and raising another country's flag is at times more accepted :v:[/QUOTE] No one cares here, every one has the Brazil/German/English/whatever country that has a good soccer team's flag plastered all over their cars here. I mean okay, it's cool that you have a favorite soccer team and all, but no need to show it by putting their flags all over your car. We're not even in any of these countries.

78 winners, nice guys.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;4532788]Hell, some of you are born in pussy states like Sweden who foster self-apology. What's a guy to do?[/QUOTE] Lol how can you say nationalism is fine then go on to make sweeping judgments like this about other countries [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] Maybe shitty views like that are caused by your unnecessary pride in your own country???? Just a thought

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45328126]Lol how can you say nationalism is fine then go on to make sweeping judgments like this about other countries [editline]8th July 2014[/editline] Maybe shitty views like that are caused by your unnecessary pride in your own country???? Just a thought[/QUOTE] i just figured the Swedes wouldn't get offended is all; if they did it'd be [B][I]NATIONALISM[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;45328120]78 winners, nice guys.[/QUOTE] "If it happens to an Israeli, it's okay"