Foxconn To Replace Humans Labor with 1.2 Million Robots
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Introducing.... The first robot to ever commit intentional suicide!
Our system is so awesome that replacing shitty jobs with robots is actually bad for people lol
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;31572981]Our system is so awesome that replacing shitty jobs with robots is actually bad for people lol[/QUOTE]
Good incentive for kids to go to college now, every teacher show kids this and say shitty jobs will no longer be an option after school or if you drop out, either be homeless or get a job robots can't do, cause everything else will be taken by robots.
Pretty soon the only job left will be designing the next generation of robots. Which is kind of awesome. Prices will be driven so far down people barely need to work to get everything they need. But until that happens we're stuck in this wonderful middle ground of actual real world today and INCREDIBLE TECHNO-UTOPIA where the implementation of awesome things that should be making lives better is actually making lives worse.
Hooray for Wal-Mart, Mcdonalds, and other large corporations having money. :downs:
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31571912]you need people to program and manufacture these robots
as well as maintain and extract the metals required to make them[/QUOTE]
Training people to program robots for manufacturing would be expensive in and of itself, and you don't need nearly as many people to program/maintain several robots.
As for manufacturing them, that's mostly done by robots too.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31572041]Quite a difference with this than doing it in say, the US. Electronics are a very important thing now, they need to be produced at a faster rate. Humans are a limitation to that. Plus this will stop hundreds of (possible) suicides from happening. For extremely repetitive tasks like the ones at Foxconn, robots aren't a bad choice really.[/quote]
Or they could do what alot of factories already do to stop the repetitiveness: Switch-a-roo. Have people do different shit every now and again. You know what else has worked wonders? Treating the employees like human beings.
[quote]Plus in China, finding a replacement job, no matter how awful, can't be that hard. As someone mentioned, the robots will need maintaining. There will need to be people to ensure that the robots are doing their jobs right, etc. Not every employee would need to be fired, they could easily be moved to looking after the robots.[/QUOTE]
See first point. I'm sure all the American workers who were laid-off because a robot could do what they did, but better, just hopped right on that gravy-train that is robot maintenance.
If all it takes is one person to maintain 10 robots, then for every 10 robots 9 people are still without a job.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE robots. Robots fucking rock, but they're a double-edged sword in the manufacturing industry. Yeah they allow companies to make stuff for alot cheaper, but that doesn't help much when people can't afford them because the robots terk der jerbz.
Why are people talking about child labor of all sudden?
Anyhow good news for ABB if this is true. It's cool to see Swedish (and Swiss) technology.
Although I don't know if this is good for the workers.
In the words of Doctor Weird, "IT BEGINS!"
[QUOTE=Beafman;31571844]If it takes your job, are you okay with that?[/QUOTE]
They just get transferred to the robot-building factory silly
[QUOTE=Number-41;31573351]They just get transferred to the robot-building factory silly[/QUOTE] Sucks that robots are building robots now. Oh wait we can go into the robot building robot factory until that is taken over by the robot building robot building robots.
Zeitgeist anyone?
this is a step forward.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31571838]if it stops child labor, i'm ok with it[/QUOTE]
The problem with child labour is that although it's horrible, most of the children NEED the jobs to stay alive
[QUOTE=DrBreen;31573996]Zeitgeist anyone?
this is a step forward.[/QUOTE] Technological advancement is good but without the goal of using it to help everyone it will take a while before this could be considered a good thing. I agree though that its new technology for an outdated system and with the system thats you advocate but for the one we currently have this could mean a lot of short term problems.
Manufacturing is going to be taken over by robots eventually.
It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply inevitable.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31574867]Manufacturing is going to be taken over by robots eventually.
It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply inevitable.[/QUOTE]
People will have to make the parts of robots, it's not like robots will be making robots will it? :v:
[QUOTE=Nightsure;31574900]People will have to make the parts of robots, it's not like robots will be making robots will it? :v:[/QUOTE]
Yes.
What's so dumb about robots building other robots?
they look like they can build more of themselves
Wait a minute, this means we will have decent quality construction from Foxconn?
robutts
Honestly I see nothing wrong with replacing manual laborers with robotics, just watch the technological advancement increase exponentially within the next twenty years because people are becoming more and more educated out of necessity.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;31575332]Honestly I see nothing wrong with replacing manual laborers with robotics, just watch the technological advancement increase exponentially within the next twenty years because people are becoming more and more educated out of necessity.[/QUOTE]
That's a good way to think of it, though the typical way of thinking of it is that capital can be spent more effectively. Most people don't realize that new jobs are created with the destruction of old jobs. Instead of paying someone to do some tedious worthless chore, instead you can hire them to do something more productive.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31575029]Yes.
What's so dumb about robots building other robots?[/QUOTE]
People will have to make these initial parts, and that implies that they'll be making different parts for other people.
What the fuck is this jibber-jabber over robots taking our jobs? Robots won't take our jobs, if anything they will:
- Drive prices down as manufacturing prices go down.
- Force people into other areas of work (e.g. technology, law, medicine, science et cetera.)
I see no downsides to this other than the initial mass unemployment shock, but that will fade with time. Remember the Luddites during the Industrial Revolution? Remember how those crazy fuckers thought that factories would put them out of jobs but actually created more jobs? Yeah. That's what a majority of people in this thread are acting like right now.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31575668]the only problem is the lack of jobs for it as it doesn't require a hundred people that used to do manual labor to do maintenance every once and awhile on the bots, still, if the world gets smart enough, it would be feasible.[/QUOTE]
You don't quite understand, the number of jobs aren't offset in the same field, yet in another field and many times a decrease of jobs in one sector enables jobs in others. It is much easier to see job roles being lost than job roles being created which you have to keep in mind.
I can go as far to say that the achievements in farming technology allowed for the field of computers to come to where it its today. This is an easy argument to make because without the improvements in farming, more people would need to work on the farm, and overall less resources would be dedicated to research, meaning that computer research would have come out later and progressed far slower. Without all of the modern gains in technology everyone would be more focused on other tasks. Without the industrial revolutions, technology today would have progressed very slow. Oddly enough, the invention of the laundry machine played a huge role in liberating women. You shouldn't accept that what is happening now is going to have the same impact as the industrial revolution, yet it is good to realize that though in the short term jobs are lost, in the long term jobs that have more purpose are created.
Many people don't seem to understand this, even the president doesn't. He had been recently making the claim that ATMs were bad because they were putting bank tellers out of work. First, that isn't true, and second, even if it were true it would be a positive thing because it means that their ability could be put to use in a place where it is needed more.
[I]And so it begins...[/I]
Lol people don't read the thread they are just here to ASSIST.
Then again in the future jobs might get ENTIRELY replaced.
Everyones answers:
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Am I the only one aware that this is the company that's been torturing/working employees to suicide under Apple? I think it's honestly much better off being staffed by robots.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;31575805]People will have to make these initial parts, and that implies that they'll be making different parts for other people.[/QUOTE] Yea sure a few guys will have to make the first robots but after that when the robots can reproduce then what?
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[QUOTE=Extroll;31576297](e.g. technology, law, medicine, science et cetera.)[/QUOTE] Those only make up a small percentage jobs. Sure having more scientists is good but there is no way there will be enough need for it in are system to need hundreds of millions. Basically there will be a lot of things humans wont have to do anymore and are economy and government and are system as a whole is going to have to adjust to that.
[QUOTE=Elspin;31576862]Am I the only one aware that this is the company that's been torturing/working employees to suicide under Apple? I think it's honestly much better off being staffed by robots.[/QUOTE]
no you're just the only one dumb enough to think that. when looking at the actual statistics the rate of suicide for foxconn workers was lower than that of the general chinese population. when you employ thousands of people no shit some of them have something wrong with em.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate[/url]
in 2008 china had 17 suicides per 100,000 people. foxconn workers had 17 suicides out of 1,000,000 workers.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;31575805]People will have to make these initial parts, and that implies that they'll be making different parts for other people.[/QUOTE]
We need designers right now, yeah, but the parts themselves are produced and assembled by robots. Or at the very least they could be if they aren't already.
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