[QUOTE=Lambeth;35829098]Sparta was pretty much the first fascist state.[/QUOTE]
It was a monarchy. If you consider monarchies to be fascist, then you must consider all the African and Asian monarchies before it.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35829073] Though suffrage was not universal. One had to have money to his name (40 shillings?) and/or property to vote.[/QUOTE]
Apparently due to inflation, the electorate very slowly expanded over several centuries.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35829001]Maybe I'm wrong,[/QUOTE]
Happens more often than you think.
Look things up first, dude, how many times do I have to tell you this?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35829179]Happens more often than you think.[/QUOTE]
Yea, even the best among us have their moments. :wink:
[QUOTE=EpicRenegadeCop;35829140]Brilliant thing to do when the country's economy is in the shitter[/QUOTE]
Greece should have never been allowed in the EU in the first place but someone thought it was a brilliant idea to let them in with spain, so don't blame the EU for quickly backpeddling to save their arses when the economy suddenly went even more shit after they joined. They have to cut ties to balance out the rest. It's the harsh reality.
Plus, Greece's economy has always been shit, it makes no income to balance out their debit at all and their only source of this unbalanced income is from tourism which isn't something a country should rely on but their government's never realised this.
Lastly, I know this is likely from a really small minority but from the 14 greek people I've met, they've all been what I would politely call stuck up twats, they blame everything on everyone else and don't look at what they are actually doing.
I know this isn't really related to the thread but wanted to let it out and fascism never works, its like the thug of political ideas.
[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;35829261]Greece should have never been allowed in the EU in the first place but someone thought it was a brilliant idea to let them in with spain, so don't blame the EU for quickly backpeddling to save their arses when the economy suddenly went even more shit after they joined. They have to cut ties to balance out the rest. It's the harsh reality.
Plus, Greece's economy has always been shit, it makes no income to balance out their debit at all and their only source of this unbalanced income is from tourism which isn't something a country should rely on but their government's never realised this.
Lastly, I know this is likely from a really small minority but from the 14 greek people I've met, they've all been what I would politely call stuck up twats, they blame everything on everyone else and don't look at what they are actually doing.
I know this isn't really related to the thread but wanted to let it out and fascism never works, its like the thug of political ideas.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't judging the EU's actions, just Mr. Panayiotaros's policy. I agree with you.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35829156]It was a monarchy. If you consider monarchies to be fascist, then you must consider all the African and Asian monarchies before it.[/QUOTE]
yeah they were.
welcome to history. the past was pretty shite.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35828992]also the US stole its democratic systems from British parliament. All we did was add a president and also say black people were 3/5ths of people.[/QUOTE]
They did not say black people were 3/5ths of a person.
They said slaves were 3/5ths of a person so slave states wouldn't pump congress full of representatives due to an unrepresented high population.
The 3/5ths law was to keep slave states at bay.
yeah because there were shitloads of white slaves
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and SO many freedmen
because it's not as though it was legal for a white guy to hogtie a freedman and call him his slave by law. nopenopenope.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35829338]yeah they were.
welcome to history. the past was pretty shite.[/QUOTE]
I never considered monarchies fascist before. I guess they are, if you think about it. No difference really.
Wow this thread got horribly derailed.
It seems so odd to me how most of the European Nationalists I hear about are typically portrayed as young adults.
Well I hope they know that if they get in control of greece, every country in the world is going to aim at them. Even antarctica is readying pen-guns.
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[QUOTE=King Tiger;35829696]I never considered monarchies fascist before. I guess they are, if you think about it. No difference really.[/QUOTE]
Italy under the fascist government was also officially a monarchy under victor emmanuel the 3rd
[QUOTE=thisispain;35829829]Italy under the fascist government was also officially a monarchy under victor emmanuel the 3rd[/QUOTE]
Emmanuel kind of played along with it because the entire Italian army was pointing guns at him, but it was by no means noble to stay in Rome and play along.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35829646]yeah because there were shitloads of white slaves
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and SO many freedmen
because it's not as though it was legal for a white guy to hogtie a freedman and call him his slave by law. nopenopenope.[/QUOTE]
And then the 3/5ths clause was repealed, the end.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1zxQ9.gif[/IMG]
Hmm, I wonder who's behind this.
Was 3/5 is kind of an odd value. But of course 2/5 would have been ridiculously low, and 4/5? Common, are you serous?
Instability usually leads to the increased popularity of fringe political groups, I wouldn't be surprised if the Communists were experiencing similar growth, in fact id be surprised if they weren't
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;35830015]And then the 3/5ths clause was repealed, the end.[/QUOTE]
actually it wasn't. If we had slaves today, they'd still be 3/5ths.
[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;35829261]Plus, Greece's economy has always been shit[/QUOTE]
There's no polite way to put this, so I'm going to be blunt.
You're either racist, gullible, or a nimrod, and given the way financial news organizations are trying to spin this, I'd expect all three.
Czech out the following giant graph:
[IMG_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/197460/nope.png[/IMG_thumb]
Funny how Greece's GDP growth basically follows everyone else (including the global trend, if you care to insert it) minus one deeper drop at the fall of the Junta, one drop nobody else had, and one big gain nobody else had.
It's almost as if they're an economically normal country in most respects and the media is portraying them as lazy incompetent twits due to a subtle blend of racism and need to twist reality to fit a political narrative in their home countries.
Hint hint, wink fucking wink.
By the by, a ranking of listed nations by average GDP growth according to the World Bank for that same range:
-World (3.105418658)
-United States (2.897167537)
[B]-Greece (2.488044232)[/B]
-United Kingdom (2.342276444)
-France (2.301023695)
-Germany (2.039997263)
From Greece's joining the EU to now:
-World (2.852174457)
-United States (2.772240977)
-United Kingdom (2.469288333)
[B]-France (1.835184166)
-Greece (1.750017337)
-Germany (1.75006238)[/B]
Funny how nobody's saying letting the frogs and krauts in was a bad decision...
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35830429]Funny how nobody's saying letting the frogs and krauts in was a bad decision...[/QUOTE]
The frogs and the krauts kinda had things to sell. Like cars. Greece has tourism and sandwiches.
hey xenocidebot do you kick ass for a living or something?
[QUOTE=Ridge;35830526]The frogs and the krauts kinda had things to sell. Like cars. Greece has tourism and sandwiches.[/QUOTE]
20% of Germany's GDP is "making stuff to sell". In the UK, it's 11%, Greece, 10%.
What's the correlation with economic performance?
BROTIP: THERE ISN'T ONE
[QUOTE=Cancerous;35830043][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1zxQ9.gif[/IMG]
Hmm, I wonder who's behind this.[/QUOTE]
No
[QUOTE=Lambeth;35831015]No[/QUOTE]
What? It was clearly Nigel Thornberry.
More on topic
Hopefully, someone in Greece is doing something about this.
IIRC a big reason Greece has this problem is because it was so easy for the rich to get out of paying taxes.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35830429]There's no polite way to put this, so I'm going to be blunt.
You're either racist, gullible, or a nimrod, and given the way financial news organizations are trying to spin this, I'd expect all three.
Czech out the following giant graph:
[IMG_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/197460/nope.png[/IMG_thumb]
Funny how Greece's GDP growth basically follows everyone else (including the global trend, if you care to insert it) minus one deeper drop at the fall of the Junta, one drop nobody else had, and one big gain nobody else had.
It's almost as if they're an economically normal country in most respects and the media is portraying them as lazy incompetent twits due to a subtle blend of racism and need to twist reality to fit a political narrative in their home countries.
Hint hint, wink fucking wink.
By the by, a ranking of listed nations by average GDP growth according to the World Bank for that same range:
-World (3.105418658)
-United States (2.897167537)
[B]-Greece (2.488044232)[/B]
-United Kingdom (2.342276444)
-France (2.301023695)
-Germany (2.039997263)
From Greece's joining the EU to now:
-World (2.852174457)
-United States (2.772240977)
-United Kingdom (2.469288333)
[B]-France (1.835184166)
-Greece (1.750017337)
-Germany (1.75006238)[/B]
Funny how nobody's saying letting the frogs and krauts in was a bad decision...[/QUOTE]
GDP growth rate doesn't mean anything if the actual GDP (relative to the other European countries) is very low.
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You can disagree with me but greece and ireland have pretty much the worst economy (and lowest gdp) in western europe.
[QUOTE=aydin690;35831147]GDP growth rate doesn't mean anything if the actual GDP (relative to the other European countries) is very low.[/QUOTE]
Okay. So your issue with Greece is that it has a GDP of $26,606 USD to the man, whereas Germany ($40,115), France ($39,448), and the UK ($36,343) make more to the man. That's actually a very valid criticism.
...until you consider that no modern nation was anywhere near its current GDP 20 years ago, and that, despite being lower per capita, and that while Germany has gone up 406% to the man, the UK 398%, and France 361%, Greece has gone up [I]518%.[/I] In terms of return on investment, they beat you. If you had to say "put your money on an economy other than the United States", I'd put my money on Greece.
[QUOTE=aydin690;35831147]You can disagree with me but greece and ireland have pretty much the worst economy (and lowest gdp) in western europe. [/QUOTE]
Except what you're saying is "I care about how much money they make now", which means anybody that isn't the US, China, and Japan is inherently a "worse economy", and if we're taking per capita as the ultimate arbiter, Luxembourg, Qatar and Singapore make everybody look like chumps.
I'm sorry you don't know that time is a thing, and economies grow. Have you never seen a tree in your life, or what?
[QUOTE=Ridge;35830526]The frogs and the krauts kinda had things to sell. Like cars. Greece has tourism and sandwiches.[/QUOTE]
you people are actually zinging this wow
zing ratings are experiencing massive inflation due to overuse
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get it because its like a acconomy thing
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35831332]Okay. So your issue with Greece is that it has a GDP of $26,606 USD to the man, whereas Germany ($40,115), France ($39,448), and the UK ($36,343) make more to the man. That's actually a very valid criticism.
...until you consider that no modern nation was anywhere near its current GDP 20 years ago, and that, despite being lower per capita, and that while Germany has gone up 406% to the man, the UK 398%, and France 361%, Greece has gone up [I]518%.[/I] In terms of return on investment, they beat you. If you had to say "put your money on an economy other than the United States", I'd put my money on Greece.
Except what you're saying is "I care about how much money they make now", which means anybody that isn't the US, China, and Japan is inherently a "worse economy", and if we're taking per capita as the ultimate arbiter, Luxembourg, Qatar and Singapore make everybody look like chumps.
I'm sorry you don't know that time is a thing, and economies grow. Have you never seen a tree in your life, or what?[/QUOTE]
I don't think people are asking the right questions, to be honest. They think that GDP per man or even GDP growth is an ultimate measure of the "prosperity" a nation enjoys. They will be convinced that Greece has a shitty economy because the word "economy" means something different to them.
I think the real questions to ask are "what is the standard of living for different 'classes' in Greece", "what are the average taxes and social benefits the average person in Greece enjoys", and other such questions.
Because you are totally right. If you look at the idea of economic health from certain perspectives, you see countries like China or Qatar coming out towards the top. This is certainly not representative of the relative prosperity of the people participating in that economy.
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