Jesus H Christ: Fascism reaches 15% in Greece - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;35840016]mate you can't be a moderate fascist fascism is a radical far-right ideology, it's pretty stark. that's like saying you are moderately dead.[/QUOTE] Ok, then to restate my entire point altogether: [B]I take certain points of Fascism into consideration.[/B] Now everyone can be happy. There

What points do you take into consideration exactly? If you're picking and choosing points of fascism, perhaps there is a more accurate term you could be using?

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840055]Ok, then to restate my entire point altogether: I take certain points of Fascism into consideration. Now everyone can be happy. There[/QUOTE] And what points are you considering? [SUB](ninja'd)[/SUB]

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840055]Ok, then to restate my entire point altogether: [B]I take certain points of Fascism into consideration.[/B] Now everyone can be happy. There[/QUOTE] now everyone can be happy? you're about as fascist as my socks. how are you going to overthrow the establishment if you can't even cohesively argue for what you believe in?

[QUOTE=Lankist;35840033]Your opinion is wrong. Please report to your local reeducation facility.[/QUOTE] That was not an opinion, its something I currently partake in. Never the less I'll report in after lunch. [editline]5th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;35840088]now everyone can be happy? you're about as fascist as my socks. how are you going to overthrow the establishment if you can't even cohesively argue for what you believe in?[/QUOTE] I'm not looking to overthrow 'the establishment' [editline]5th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kinversulath;35840079]What points do you take into consideration exactly? If you're picking and choosing points of fascism, perhaps there is a more accurate term you could be using?[/QUOTE] Authoritarianism Autarky Direct action (In the form of self-harm and de-evolution) Militarism And some light-Nationalism in there too. [editline]5th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;35840080]you're a self-proclaimed fascist for the sake of being one. so are your friends. you don't even understand what it is yet [B]you assume the 'its just a misunderstood ideology'[/B] stance.[/QUOTE] No, not at all. I am far from a Contrarian my friend.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;35831447]Yeah, go ahead and put your money on Greece just like the EU did, see what it gets you.[/QUOTE] Except the EU didn't "put money on Greece" correctly, which is why to US investors the "debt crisis" is a joke. Only idiots buy shitloads of foreign debt, it's one of the worst performing methods of making money out there, and nobody deserves pity because their easy safe investment turned out to be neither easy nor safe. Maybe next time somebody will read a fucking book. The best part is, even if they really wanted to go this route, they could have actually done something proactive when they first panicked, but no. [QUOTE=Forbes]...the EU, the IMF and the European Central Bank also deserve Bronx cheers. They provided bailouts but didn't tie them to changes that would turn the Greek economy around, which would have been a powerful, positive model for Portugal, Spain and Italy. Belt-tightening alone, particularly higher taxes, won't make Greece into a worthy debtor. Tax and structural reforms should be on the list of requirements before there are further bailouts.[/QUOTE] But no, the EU spent a shitload of money without watching where it went, and now complains they can't see it. You don't get to blame the fact that your financial sector is run by chimps on the swindle you bought into. In 2007, Friedrich Schneider published a paper stating Greece's shadow economy was a quarter of their GDP, and that it had been historically higher than that. Research on this topic had been done before, too. Upon reading that, a sane investor would say "Holy fucking shit, their private sector is okay, but avoid the public like the plague." An investor tied to public debt would say "Time to eat a loss and scuttle, hopefully we can recoup some of it later." The EU collectively said "HERP DE DERPA DOO!" and now is blaming the PIIGS for their incompetence. [QUOTE=yawmwen;35831453]I don't think people are asking the right questions, to be honest. They think that GDP per man or even GDP growth is an ultimate measure of the "prosperity" a nation enjoys. They will be convinced that Greece has a shitty economy because the word "economy" means something different to them. I think the real questions to ask are "what is the standard of living for different 'classes' in Greece", "what are the average taxes and social benefits the average person in Greece enjoys", and other such questions. Because you are totally right. If you look at the idea of economic health from certain perspectives, you see countries like China or Qatar coming out towards the top. This is certainly not representative of the relative prosperity of the people participating in that economy.[/QUOTE] Well and right now the main issue is that Europeans bought into a [I]part[/I] of the Greek economy, and it was the [I]wrong fucking part.[/I] May as well go to a pig roast and then criticize the meat because you're chewing on the anus.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840092]That was not an opinion, its something I currently partake in. Never the less I'll report in after lunch. [/QUOTE] no lunch breaks in the labor camp

Instead of going all out anti-fascist mode, how about you let him speak and attack his arguments? At the moment you are just attacking him (ad hominem). I am no fan of Fascists but let him speak since we are 'Liberals'.

Teens claiming to be fascist/communist/anarchist is hilarious.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35840379]Teens claiming to be fascist/communist/anarchist is hilarious.[/QUOTE] And so are teens who claim to liberal/conservative/feminist? Your deriding of other ideologies suggests you are one of the above.

[QUOTE=Mythman;35840372] At the moment you are just attacking him (ad hominem). I am no fan of Fascists but let him speak since we are 'Liberals'.[/QUOTE] what seem to be at first glance random jabs at his person are actually measured strikes of logic picking apart the fallacies of his unfortunate, twisted beliefs in other words he's fucked in the head and there's no shame in ridiculing him for being so fucked in the head [editline]5th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mythman;35840439]And so are teens who claim to liberal/conservative/feminist? Your deriding of other ideologies suggests you are one of the above.[/QUOTE] pray tell me how you came to infer that?

[QUOTE=Mythman;35840372]Instead of going all out anti-fascist mode, how about you let him speak and attack his arguments? At the moment you are just attacking him (ad hominem). I am no fan of Fascists but let him speak since we are 'Liberals'.[/QUOTE] Really? I'm acting rash, intolerant and divisive? Huh, that's strange.

[QUOTE=Mythman;35840439]And so are teens who claim to liberal/conservative/feminist? Your deriding of other ideologies suggests you are one of the above.[/QUOTE] Considering those are all fairly moderate stances and usually reasonable, I don't see how they're comparable.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840092] Authoritarianism Autarky Direct action (In the form of self-harm and de-evolution) Militarism And some light-Nationalism in there too. [/QUOTE] I'd say you sound like a nazi, but I guess that's a bit redundant.

[QUOTE=Kalibos;35840440]what seem to be at first glance random jabs at his person are actually measured strikes of logic picking apart the fallacies of his unfortunate, twisted beliefs in other words he's fucked in the head and there's no shame in ridiculing him for being so fucked in the head[/QUOTE] 'Fucked in the head' is rather subjective don't you think? And rather crude. I would prefer 'deluded' or 'hasn't yet realised their rationality'. [QUOTE] pray tell me how you came to infer that?[/QUOTE] Well the choice of ideologies he sort to deride. The ideologies he chose are the ones his ideology is opposed to.

[QUOTE=Mythman;35840538]'Fucked in the head' is rather subjective don't you think?[/QUOTE] nope i don't. fascists are fucked in the head it's a universal truth like gravity [QUOTE=Mythman;35840538]And rather crude. I would prefer 'deluded' or 'hasn't yet realised their rationality'.[/QUOTE] crude as texas tea 8) the truth hurts i guess [QUOTE=Mythman;35840538]Well the choice of ideologies he sort to deride. The ideologies he chose to deride are the ones his ideology is opposed to.[/QUOTE] how do you know what he believes in? I am against fascism and anarchism and probably communism - how am I ideologically positioned?

First they were socialists, then they saw that they fucked up their economy, then they became facists. ...Seriously... [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] Basically all ideologies sucks! They provide no answers for problems and issues, and people supporting them are dumb and can't make their own decisions.

[QUOTE=Kalibos;35840599] how do you know what he believes in? I am against fascism and anarchism and probably communism - how am I ideologically positioned?[/QUOTE] I don't know what he believes in, I was just making a derived assumption based upon his comments.

Fuck Χρυση Αυγη and everything it stands for. The only reason I don't get in fights with people who support it in my town is because they're 10 times bigger than me and carry swiss knifes with them and shit.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840092]Authoritarianism Autarky Direct action (In the form of self-harm and de-evolution) Militarism And some light-Nationalism in there too.[/QUOTE] It sounds like what you want is a military dictatorship/junta, not necessarily fascism. Unless you meant totalitarianism instead of authoritarianism.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35840016]mate you can't be a moderate fascist fascism is a radical far-right ideology, it's pretty stark. that's like saying you are moderately dead.[/QUOTE] When it comes to political ideologies, you can pretty much be whatever you want to be. Nothing is set in stone. This is especially true of Fascism because of how difficult it is to properly place on the conventional left/right spectrum. It's radical, that's true, but it's not really far-right and it's not really far-left; it borrows from both sides of the spectrum to the point where it becomes a revolutionary centrist ideology. There's many other variations of the classical ideology (which was founded by the National Syndicalists) as well which are each unique in their own right (British Fascism, Falangism, Peronism, etc.). You're thinking of Italian Fascism, it sounds like. It's certainly the most well-known and infamous of the lot.

[QUOTE=flamehead5;35840092] Authoritarianism Autarky Direct action (In the form of self-harm and de-evolution) Militarism And some light-Nationalism in there too. [/QUOTE] You can't be a moderately nationalist fascist, fascism is all about being highly nationalistic.

Let's just say that he doesn't like immigration/refuges. Even that isn't fascist.

[QUOTE=oskutin;35840830]Let's just say that he doesn't like immigration. Even that isn't fascist.[/QUOTE] Depends on his reasons, if he doesn't like immigration because he doesnt like other races in his country then hes pretty fascist.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35840854]Depends on his reasons, if he doesn't like immigration because he doesnt like other races in his country then hes pretty fascist.[/QUOTE] I'd say he's a racist. Not a fascist. Not liking other races isn't enough to make you a fascist. It's not even a requirement (as shown above).

-Snip- [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;35840854]Depends on his reasons, if he doesn't like immigration because he doesnt like other races in his country then hes pretty fascist.[/QUOTE] It could be other reasons too. And propably are.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;35840789]There's many other variations of the classical ideology (which was founded by the National Syndicalists) as well which are each unique in their own right (British Fascism, Falangism, Peronism, etc.).[/QUOTE] You cited the worst three examples to make a claim fascism isn't rightward, considering British Fascism can be summarized "conservationism done wrong", Falangism immediately collapsed into "conservatism done wrong", and Peronism was just a clusterfuck.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;35840876]I'd say he's a racist. Not a fascist. Not liking other races isn't enough to make you a fascist. It's not even a requirement (as shown above).[/QUOTE] How am I a racist exactly? I don't like immigration because our immigration policy sucks, I don't care who comes into my country as long as they have skills that are useful to my country, rather than abusing the free healthcare system, and that's not even my main problem, as I have said multiple times in this thread, I stand against Self-harming de-evololutionists.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;35840876]I'd say he's a racist. Not a fascist. Not liking other races isn't enough to make you a fascist. It's not even a requirement (as shown above).[/QUOTE] Racism and fascism are extremely intertwined. At any such point that racism becomes policy, it is fascism.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;35840771]It sounds like what you want is a military dictatorship/junta, not necessarily fascism. [B]Unless you meant totalitarianism instead of authoritarianism.[/B][/QUOTE] I thought about it, but the leader would have to enforce exactly what I stand for, and honestly I don't see the realistic chances of that. [editline]5th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;35841102]Racism and fascism are extremely intertwined. At any such point that racism becomes policy, it is fascism.[/QUOTE] I already changed my political title so people can stop blatenly ignoring my personal beliefs and jumping straight into the "YOUR RACIST" 'argument' And I don't want races to be involved in my political policies.