Hundreds of protesters arrested infront of the White House after protesting the Keystone XL pipeline - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;44108449]I think the keystone xl should be built.[/QUOTE] We'll end up digging the workers' graves like that. Renewable bio-fuel is, if handled properly, a great idea.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44108899]Cool, it's still a pimple on the face of beautiful nature.[/QUOTE] I won't argue the point that human involvement in nature does not often benefit nature. I will argue that we, as an expanding society, are responsible for making and maintaining responsible choices for our planet. That being said, we also need to make responsible and reasonable choices for ourselves, so that we can continue to expand and grow. Like OvB said, the oil is there, and it's being taken. That means we can do one of a couple of things in order to fulfill our prerequisites of healthy expansion, healthy environment. [B]Best solution[/B]: Make engines and heaters that do not require oil or gas, and remove the need entirely. Unlikely, and not going to happen soon. [B]Decent solution[/B]: Leave the oil in Canada solely for Canadian use. This means you sacrifice profits, but you cause the absolute minimum amount of damage outside of not using the oil at all. [B]Keystone Solution[/B]: Build a giant pipe to bring the oil from Canada to the US. Drives economic growth, and lowers prices, but reaffirms a commitment to oil and the oil industry. Also causes damage to the environment on a scale larger than the first two options. [B]Shit Solution[/B]: Pipe the oil across a continent, to ships that then sail across oceans, to a country with practically no idea of emission standards.

you guys know its been illegal to protest in front of the whitehouse since like 1975 right? that being said fuck these idiots, the alternative to the keystone pipeline is prudo bay, ya take a pipeline that's relatively safe or shipping through one of the most dangerous harbors in the world? the protestors think by us not building the pipeline Canada won't export the oil, that's just ignorance, we literally have no sway on whether they will export the oil, we can only decide which route it will take

[QUOTE=Nerokhan;44108975]We'll end up digging the workers' graves like that. Renewable bio-fuel is, if handled properly, a great idea.[/QUOTE] even with a recent milestone advance which allows for any biomass to be catalyzed into ethanol, biofuel will never be able to meet the demand of the economy nor would it do anything to help the climate since at best its carbon neutral, in reality its only slightly better than oil or natural gas, electricity is the best way to go because we know how to generate power from just about anything and we have come a few orders of magnitude further in storage since 2000, less than 15 years of research and innovation has brought about the genesis of hybrid and full electric cars, another 15 will see that grow further

[QUOTE=meppers;44108537]oh my god it's a fucking tube that bigass oil pipeline in alaska doesn't hurt anything...[/QUOTE] college environmentalists, most educated idiots in the world, I'm in chemical engineering. trust me I'm only a sophmore and I've already had enough ethics lectures to minor in ethics

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] Let him weep for mother nature! I drive on highways where the mountains had to be blown up in order for a road to be built there, and my dad is a coal miner who also blows up mountains. These things suck but that's just how things are right now.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] depends, I find the amount of effort astonishing and beautiful on different levels, you realise the pipeline only cuts through like a 40-50 foot section of forest and is in empty land most of the time anyways, its not like they are cutting down entire fucking forests just because the pipeline would go through it

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44108454]It's a pipeline that goes over one of the worlds largest fresh water aquifers. If a leak or a spill occurs it could make water for millions undrinkable and devastate farming in the region. It's a pretty big deal.[/QUOTE] Ok that's a legit worry.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] It's only beautiful by human standards. Nothing else on this planet gives a shit. The trees certainly don't.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109242]So since you are (assuming this, correct me if I'm wrong) human, you agree it is beautiful?[/QUOTE] Oh, sure! But I think the pipeline is beautiful too. I think technology and self-advancement are the crux of what it means to be human, and changing the environment to suit our needs is one of the thing that powers human life. I think the beauty of the scene is enhanced, if anything. edited. whoops.

[QUOTE=OvB;44108604]The Oils getting sold if it's to the United States or not. [b]If we don't buy it, China probably will.[/b] Which will increase the volume of oil flowing through the mountains of BC to Canada west coast. An area that's [I]a lot[/I] more fragile than the path of the Keystone. Then it has to travel on a boat a few thousand miles to China risking at-sea spills like Valdez. The Oil's not gonna go away if we don't use it. So we might as well be the ones that get to decide how safely it's spent.[/QUOTE] Sounds like Syriana. [editline]2nd March 2014[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTa2PTcycyI[/media] Erryone should see this.

[QUOTE=OvB;44108449]I think the keystone xl should be built.[/QUOTE] I previously had no opinion of the popeline, but if OvB says it's fine, then by damn I'll trust him. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] I mean pipeline, jesus. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;44109101]college environmentalists, most educated idiots in the world, I'm in chemical engineering. trust me I'm only a sophmore and I've already had enough ethics lectures to minor in ethics[/QUOTE] Also the loudest most useless people on Earth. I swear they complain about so many issues and will actively threaten people's lives about it (it's happened to me many times), but don't even vote. Seriously.

[QUOTE=Medevila;44109453]Approximately 6 months from now I'll be a "college environmentalist", but I'm also a rationalist and support the Keystone pipeline There's no shame in caring about the environment- what's important is seeing the bigger picture[/QUOTE] When people are talking about groups, they never mean to say that every single one of them are that particular way. That's always impossible. What they're talking about is usually either the loudest or the majority of the group. So just because you as an individual aren't like that doesn't mean the whole face of the group changes. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] I'd also like to hear what makes you think you're an 'environmentalist,' because that movement has a particular set of beliefs behind it. It doesn't just mean 'I like trees.'

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[QUOTE=Raidyr;44108454]It's a pipeline that goes over one of the worlds largest fresh water aquifers. If a leak or a spill occurs it could make water for millions undrinkable and devastate farming in the region. It's a pretty big deal.[/QUOTE] Wow, and why the hell is this still going to be built? Seems like a too big of a risk to take.

We already have a keystone built, so what's the damage of getting a new one? Also: [IMG]http://www.nrdc.org/energy/images/kxlmap.gif[/IMG]

-snip- everyone has a hard on for oil

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44111903]We need to work on getting rid of oil pipelines, not building new ones.[/QUOTE] How the fuck are we meant to get oil around then? The Magic Schoolbus? Because I don't trust that Carlos motherfucker with my oil.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44111903]We need to work on getting rid of oil pipelines, not building new ones.[/QUOTE] If oil pipes are well managed and proper procedures are in place I don't see any issue with them. Removing oil pipe lines is going to do nothing more than hurt the economy.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44108844]That picture makes me sad. Poor nature.[/QUOTE] Yeah poor nature We could have built a mall in there instead

[QUOTE=Raidyr;44108454]It's a pipeline that goes over one of the worlds largest fresh water aquifers. If a leak or a spill occurs it could make water for millions undrinkable and devastate farming in the region. It's a pretty big deal.[/QUOTE] it will be built there will be a spill lol

[QUOTE=-n3o-;44112051]If oil pipes are well managed and proper procedures are in place I don't see any issue with them. Removing oil pipe lines is going to do nothing more than hurt the economy.[/QUOTE] If a spill happens it will hurt the economy far more than not building it, how about putting the money that's going into building the pipeline into better energy sources.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] oh yeah a bunch of pines so purdy

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] It is still nature. We are just ants and that is part of our anthill.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44109060]I'm not arguing anything, I'm just stating it's sad seeing something so beautiful turned into ugly.[/QUOTE] Yellow stone national park you would argue is absolutely beautiful, and in a way it is. However since its becoming as a national park, restrictions on the wildlife were imposed damaging the ecosystem of the park. I find this more disturbing than a fucking line of metal tubes that goes totally untouched for years at a time.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44108899]Cool, it's still a pimple on the face of beautiful nature. It's just a more efficient pimple, which is great.[/QUOTE] You probably live somewhere that used to be nature at one point in history. You [I]pimple[/I] on the face of nature.