South Carolina Office Charged With Murder of Unarmed Man - Polidicks

We just went over this video in police academy and had a break down. In short this cop is a piece of shit and deserves to go to jail, not only did he kill an unarmed black man he didn't apply any sort of first air and even moved the tazer which is a huge no no. In short not even the police agree with this cop right now. How ever he is innocent until proven guilty and I hope face punch remembers that rule as well, we did not see what happened before the shooting. Also just remember how easy it is to Monday night quarterback stuff like this, when you have an adrenaline high you don't notice everything and get tunnel vision. I'm extremely curios if the report and or dash cam can clear this officer's name, but the video we have right now is extremely damning.

[QUOTE=Ccharlton;47484804]We just went over this video in police academy and had a break down. In short this cop is a piece of shit and deserves to go to jail, not only did he kill an unarmed black man he didn't apply any sort of first air and even moved the tazer which is a huge no no. In short not even the police agree with this cop right now. How ever he is innocent until proven guilty and I hope face punch remembers that rule as well, we did not see what happened before the shooting. Also just remember how easy it is to Monday night quarterback stuff like this, when you have an adrenaline high you don't notice everything and get tunnel vision. I'm extremely curios if the report and or dash cam can clear this officer's name, but the video we have right now is extremely damning.[/QUOTE] hard to consider him innocent with 720ish P video of him standing there "fearing" for his life, and then planting the stun gun on the man. also the dude who got killed was a 50 year old out of shape man.

[QUOTE=Fort83;47484756]I stand corrected then, GunFox wasn't the only one. But acknowledging that the victim did something stupid like trying to take the cop's stun gun doesn't minimize what the cop did or shift the blame.[/QUOTE] But it doesn't even look like he did try to take the stun gun. The wires were sticking out of his skin as he was running so it was probably jerked from the cop's hands. Even if that's not the case, whatever happened happened [i]before[/i] the cop drew his gun. The object was already on the ground when this happened. He didn't play a part in that cop's decision to fire on an unarmed fleeing suspect. This was murder followed by a cold and calculated attempt to cover it up.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47478160]"1 shot maybe to stop him" and the bullet hits a major artery, killing him. Why do the number of shot even matter as a measure of brutality or whatever?[/QUOTE] I guess people don't understand how seriously physically damaging a single bullet is to bare flesh 1 shot has the potential take even a trained marine down without any effort

Someone on reddit did[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/31x0ii/i_did_a_quick_frame_by_frame_watch_of_the_north/"] an analysis[/URL] on this. It doesnt exonerate the officer at all, but its pretty cool how people can break this stuff down and try to explain it

You'd think after all of the negative publicity the police get recently they would be making every effort to not kill unarmed black people.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47485417]Someone on reddit did[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/31x0ii/i_did_a_quick_frame_by_frame_watch_of_the_north/"] an analysis[/URL] on this. It doesnt exonerate the officer at all, but its pretty cool how people can break this stuff down and try to explain it[/QUOTE] That's actually pretty insightful.

Makes you wonder how many cops actually have done this and got away with it.

[QUOTE=Source;47485574]Makes you wonder how many cops actually have done this and got away with it.[/QUOTE] Makes you wonder whether this guy has done it before. They're basically going to have to go over everything he was ever involved in, what a mess.

I wonder why the officer thought picking up the tazer from the starting point to the end was a good idea. He even slightly jogs to the tazer to grab it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47484648]Gunfox wasn't the only one: There are just a lot of mental gymnastics in this thread to attempt to minimize what this cop did despite it being one of the most cut-and-dry instances of a corrupt cop in years. It's extremely rare that you actually have video evidence of something like this happening.[/QUOTE] So two of 35 unique posters in this up to this post "defended" the cop doesn't really count as everybody. That's literally 5% of people who've posted in this thread out of 67 posts. That only accounts for 3% of posts.How can you logically discount the entire thread due to two people while simultaneously ignoring the everyone else who condemn the cop?

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;47478331]isn't shooting fleeing suspects illegal in the US, anyway? this is fucked up[/QUOTE] If you were wondering, here is the case law mandating that kind of scenario. [quote=Case Law][b]Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985) [/b][([url]https://en.wikipedia.org//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner#endnote_citation[/url]), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47479788]You are implying it by bringing up all the things the victim did wrong that led to his demise. That's the point. That's how victim blaming works. Nothing he did makes this less of a cold-blooded murder, so there's really no reason to even bring it up. [/QUOTE] It's called talking about the events that lead to the situation, not victim blaming. Yes, it sucks that the guy died. No, the cop wasn't justified in his actions and should be fully prosecuted to the fullest extent. But holy shit let's not talk about the horrendously stupid idea of trying to [del]take a stun gun from an armed officer[/del], psychopath or not. You would think that the idea of self-preservation or common fucking sense would stop you from doing that. Never mind about the stun gun. I read the article fully and that's what the cop wanted everyone else to think. However the idea stands.

I really hope that this and the other recent cases of police deaths result in a national standard in the proper use of deadly force. Myself, a person who has gone through Navy Bootcamp, and a friend of mine who is a Security Forces Officer in the Airforce, both agree that their needs to be a Federal Standard in police training in the United States, and we both think the Military does a way better job at teaching the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum"]Use of Force Continuum[/URL] than a lot of state police forces do. I also think that there needs to be public educational programs to inform the average citizen about the Use of Force Continuum as well as other aspects of police training. Things like keeping both hands visible during a traffic stop and not struggling with an officer during an arrest are things that not everyone might know is standard protocol. Lots of those traffic stops turned violent incidients I see involve the driver or passangers not showing their empty hands to police at all times, which can be interpreted as a threat. Sure this may seem like victim blaming and allowing the police to step on your rights, but the entire reason we have a judicial branch is to handle cases like these, and you can't appeal in court if a police officer shoots you over a stupid reason like not showing your hands.

Im glad that murderer is going to jail, its a shame this kind of thing will keep happening though this is the second time in a month ive seen police shoot a fleeing victim in the back as they run away, thank god I dont live there and I feel sorry for those that do.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47479492] it's a hate crime - it's another case of cops doing open season on black people, something which FP will fight anyone for saying[/QUOTE] thinking that anything is hate crime based solely on the fact that the victim is black and the suspect is white is a very dangerous way of thinking

whats more interesting is he looked at the camera several times and failed to notice he was being filmed?

[QUOTE=Explosions;47478160]"1 shot maybe to stop him" and the bullet hits a major artery, killing him. Why do the number of shot even matter as a measure of brutality or whatever?[/QUOTE] I mean, if you shoot someone and they keel over and your first reaction is to call a paramedic and attempt to do something for them (like cops often do believe it or not) thats one thing But if you shoot someone 8 times.. I'm pretty sure by the time you can get out the 5th shot you've got to know you're gonna kill the guy especially because the dude puts handcuffs on the guy after he shoots him and hes limp on the ground. what shit is that

[QUOTE=Kylel999;47489972]I mean, if you shoot someone and they keel over and your first reaction is to call a paramedic and attempt to do something for them (like cops often do believe it or not) thats one thing But if you shoot someone 8 times.. I'm pretty sure by the time you can get out the 5th shot you've got to know you're gonna kill the guy especially because the dude puts handcuffs on the guy after he shoots him and hes limp on the ground. what shit is that[/QUOTE] as far as i am aware it is actually protocol to handcuff all downed suspects after officers were killed a few too many times by suspects they thought were dead

[QUOTE=Mr Anonymous;47494476]That just screams suspicious activity.[/QUOTE] Indeed, but does it deserve getting executed? lmao

I feel like it was an unfortunate lapse in judgement. The officer was pumped up on adrenaline, and there [i]was[/i] a struggle between them, then shortly after he shot while he was running away. I think he made the decision to shoot during the struggle, and didn't have the reaction time to restrain himself while the suspect decided to run. The officer made the wrong move, and he still deserves jail time, but I don't think it was cold blooded.

[QUOTE=OvB;47495564]I feel like it was an unfortunate lapse in judgement. The officer was pumped up on adrenaline, and there [i]was[/i] a struggle between them, then shortly after he shot while he was running away. I think he made the decision to shoot during the struggle, and didn't have the reaction time to restrain himself while the suspect decided to run. The officer made the wrong move, and he still deserves jail time, but I don't think it was cold blooded.[/QUOTE] Yes, that is what I am thinking. I would imagine its hard to switch off after you decide your life is in danger and you make the decision to shoot. Man Slaughter is probably what will come of this

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;47496358]Yes, that is what I am thinking. I would imagine its hard to switch off after you decide your life is in danger and you make the decision to shoot. Man Slaughter is probably what will come of this[/QUOTE] Unfortunately not. Murder is the charge.

So ehhh [img]http://i.imgur.com/zU62mWx.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=OvB;47495564]I feel like it was an unfortunate lapse in judgement. The officer was pumped up on adrenaline, and there [i]was[/i] a struggle between them, then shortly after he shot while he was running away. I think he made the decision to shoot during the struggle, and didn't have the reaction time to restrain himself while the suspect decided to run. The officer made the wrong move, and he still deserves jail time, but I don't think it was cold blooded.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, "unfortunate lapse in judgment" is my new favorite euphemism for intentional murder. It was written all over his body language. He saw the victim not complying as a slight against his ego and authority, decided "I don't have to take this shit from you", and calmly stood up, drew a bead, and intentionally executed him. No "lapse in judgment". No "fearing for his life" (that magical cop phrase that makes any misconduct okay). He was angry, he wanted to kill the victim for defying him, and he acted with the utter impunity of someone who was confident that he was above accountability. And, until the video came out, he was. The police immediately closed ranks and released a statement that the video shows was completely false. That was calm and intentional behavior from a man who [B]knew[/B] nobody would question him.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47497547]It was written all over his body language. He saw the victim not complying as a slight against his ego and authority, decided "I don't have to take this shit from you", and calmly stood up, drew a bead, and intentionally executed him. [/QUOTE] If I didn't already know better I'd assume this was satire. 'fuck da police, pigs look for any excuse to murder innocents, it's obvious in their body language from this blurry video'

[QUOTE=Code3Response;47497046]Unfortunately not. Murder is the charge.[/QUOTE] I'm willing to bet it will be reduced one way or another.

[QUOTE=Fort83;47497717]I like that you are speaking for the cop, as if you have the slightest idea what would've been going through his mind during the incident based on a blurry unfocused video taken on a phone. But you don't know and you are ignorant to think otherwise.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone could possibly look at that video and see a panicked, fearful shooting. He shot him smoothly, calmly, and intentionally. Like he was entitled to.

Just saw the full video. If you look real closely, you can see that the victim swatted something out of the officer's hands before he started running and before the officer drew his handgun and started shooting. I still think the officer made the wrong decision in shooting that guy, but now that I see the video, it seems more likely that he could have panicked and had a knee jerk reaction if it was the taser that got knocked out of his hands. One thing I cannot seem to understand though is why the officer continued to shoot at the victim while he was clearly trying to run away with his back turned towards the officer. That part seems like either murderous intent or a very huge lapse in judgement for identifying threats. Also knowing what the officer dropped over the victim's body would provide a lot more information as to what the officer's intent was. If the object he dropped over the body was in fact a taser or some kind of weapon, then the officer should be convicted of murder (as well as fabricating evidence and tampering with a crime scene).