• Google drops Nexus 4 price, now starts at $199
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[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41993939]Most people have access to WiFi/3G/4G data ALL the time and unless you're hoarding FLACs or movies on your phone, you shouldn't have a problem. Don't have enough data to stream music and watch videos? I don't understand why when there's plenty of prepaid options that offer unlimited voice/data/text for $50. [editline]28th August 2013[/editline] Feel free to spend $599+ on a flagship device with expandable storage then.[/QUOTE] I have 1GB of data per month and I get by easily. If I had to stream everything I would a) go crazy from having to wait all the time for things to load b) use up my data in a few days c) not be able to use my phone outside my country. I have a SGS2 with 16GB and a 16GB µSD card and both are 70-90% all the time. Just my photos and videos alone fill up most of the internal storage and Spotify's cache fills up a good chunk of the external storage. Until phones have 32GB as basic option and 64GB as the 30$ more expensive option I will not buy a phone that is worse in most ways than my 2+ year old phone.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;41993763]Accept the fact that MicroSD is being phased out and most top phones don't adopt them.[/QUOTE] I have so much data on my phone that I have a box to keep full SD cards in. I've got about 90 GB worth of pictures, videos, application data, etc. swappable memory will never die
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41993939]Feel free to spend $599+ on a flagship device with expandable storage then.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm arguing about - I shouldn't have to do that. It really shouldn't be a situation where I have to pay $50 extra for 16 gigs of fixed storage, or pay a fortune for a cell phone that allows me the ability to use miniSD cards which have been around for forever. There's no reason why they couldn't stick an extra miniSD card port or act rationally with their built-in storage. Just because you think miniSD cards are dying out and aren't necessary anymore doesn't mean that everyone's on the same boat as you, dude. Oh, and using Google Music - it took forever to upload my entire music collection to their website, and having to do that is crazy. And what if all the music I want to listen to is... all of my music? What do I do about the quality issues with uploading some of my music and having some of the my music on my phone? Just deal with it? That's pretty lame for the customer, don't you think?
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41993975]Then store your music that you ALWAYS want. You could easily store hundreds of songs if you offloaded your pictures to a PC or cloud service (like you're supposed to regularly). You don't need 16GB of storage. It's just a preference and it's why I purchased mine. Yeah, it could be cheaper but they're already losing money on these phones or selling them at bare minimum costs.[/QUOTE] Why should I have to worry about offloading my stuff regularly and not being able to show the photos/videos to my friends on the go when I can just buy a 32GB µSD card when the 16GB one is full instead? My time is worth 10x the price of a 32GB µSD.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;41993949]Nexus 4 owner here, if you do buy one, be incredibly careful with it, seriously, I put mine in my pocket, pulled it out, back smashed, it fell one foot onto the ground, screen smashed and costs almost as much as the phone to replace, so invest in a good case.[/QUOTE] That's the main reason I splurged a bit and went and bought a HTC One instead.
[QUOTE=Robber;41993978]I have 1GB of data per month and I get by easily. If I had to stream everything I would a) go crazy from having to wait all the time for things to load b) use up my data in a few days c) not be able to use my phone outside my country. I have a SGS2 with 16GB and a 16GB µSD card and both are 70-90% all the time. Just my photos and videos alone fill up most of the internal storage and Spotify's cache fills up a good chunk of the external storage. Until phones have 32GB as basic option and 64GB as the 30$ more expensive option I will not buy a phone that is worse in most ways than my 2+ year old phone.[/QUOTE] Then you're going to be stuck on hardware that is inferior in every single way other than the storage options (which are only needed in particularly rare cases such as yours) and you'll probably run into a block when trying to run the latest firmware. I mean maybe your GS2 might run Key Lime Pie (5.0) but your phone was released back in early 2011. That's AGES when it comes to the recent advancements of smartphone technology. [editline]28th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Robber;41993985]Why should I have to worry about offloading my stuff regularly and not being able to show the photos/videos to my friends on the go when I can just buy a 32GB µSD card when the 16GB one is full instead? My time is worth 10x the price of a 32GB µSD.[/QUOTE] Is that experience worth an additional $400 to buy a flagship device such as the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy S4 for $649? That's your call. Personally, I'd rather just get a nice carrier, grab the 16GB version and stream anything I don't need off to Dropbox/Box.com (which both have automatic uploading features)
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41994000]Is that experience worth an additional $400 to buy a flagship device such as the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy S4 for $649? That's your call.[/QUOTE] I'd argue that it's not worth it period. There's a lot of old phones that hold up just fine nowadays, my Galaxy Nexus included, and there's no rush to buy a new phone. I don't upgrade quite often and I use my phones for about two to three years until they stop functioning, so I don't really feel compelled to get in on these "crazy awesome cell phone technology advancements" when they start getting restricting things that I actually consider important, you know, like storage. I got my Galaxy Nexus for less than $50 bucks and it holds all the music I want, it's usually on the newest version of the OS from what I can tell, it's reliable in every way, and it works. At the price I got it for, the fixed 32 gigs totally makes me happy. Now if it's base price was $50 for my Galaxy Nexus with 8 gigs and I had to pay an extra $50 for 8 more gigs, that would be extremely unreasonable. The more you people start buying into things and accepting them the more they're going to keep doing it and the more it's going to continue to get worse.
I have a Samsung Galaxy W that can barely run Android 2.4, I think it's time for n upgrade...
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41993939]Most people have access to WiFi/3G/4G data ALL the time and unless you're hoarding FLACs or movies on your phone, you shouldn't have a problem. Don't have enough data to stream music and watch videos? I don't understand why when there's plenty of prepaid options that offer unlimited voice/data/text for $50. ...[/QUOTE] What about people who don't like cloud storage? what about people who don't have a VPN to stream from hom? what about people who can't get unlimited data (I don't know a single provider over here offering it), A $50 a month plan over here gets me 3GB of data in total, can't stream video/music/data/etc. over that all the time.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;41994036]I'd argue that it's not worth it period. There's a lot of old phones that hold up just fine nowadays, my Galaxy Nexus included, and there's no rush to buy a new phone. I don't upgrade quite often and I use my phones for about two to three years until they stop functioning, so I don't really feel compelled to get in on these "crazy awesome cell phone technology advancements" when they start getting restricting things that I actually consider important, you know, like storage. I got my Galaxy Nexus for less than $50 bucks and it holds all the music I want, it's usually on the newest version of the OS from what I can tell, it's reliable in every way, and it works. At the price I got it for, the fixed 16 gigs totally makes me happy. Now if it's base price was $50 for my Galaxy Nexus with 8 gigs and I had to pay an extra $50 for 8 more gigs, that would be extremely unreasonable. The more you people start buying into things and accepting them the more they're going to keep doing it and the more it's going to continue to get worse.[/QUOTE] Well I mean the Nexus 4 is miles ahead of the Galaxy Nexus and this is from personal experience, I'd never go back regardless of the storage options. I can't convince you but all I can say is you're missing out and one day, your phone isn't going to support something awesome or it'll stop running the latest version. I mean you can wait until the HTC One/Galaxy S4 sell for cheap but you'd be repeating the same cycle. Using older hardware is never the best option but if it suits you for now, keep it. There are plenty of phones with expandable storage but there is only one current flagship device that sells for $199. It is what it is and discussing the lack of storage 10 months after the release of the phone isn't going to do anything to change that. Maybe the Nexus 5 will have a 32GB option for $349. I wouldn't doubt it.
That's unbelievably cheap, especially considering how it's one of the best smartphones out there. If they'd actually sell the 8GB Nexus here in Austria and if I hadn't already bought an LG Optimus 4XHD for 239, I would rush out and get one. It's really that good.
I regret getting an iPhone 5 ( I did it for the camera and was currently going through a "screw customization I'm just going to see how following the crowed feels") Damn, I wish I could get this instead. If I can somehow save my parents money on my plan and not pay 600 freaking dollars for this thing then maybe I'll do it.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41994076]What about people who don't like cloud storage? what about people who don't have a VPN to stream from hom? what about people who can't get unlimited data (I don't know a single provider over here offering it), A $50 a month plan over here gets me 3GB of data in total, can't stream video/music/data/etc. over that all the time.[/QUOTE] That is a very specific usage of your phone and for that sort of thing, you'd be better off with a phone with actual storage like the HTC One and Galaxy S4 for hundreds of dollars more. Price shouldn't be an issue considering you're using a Mac.
I don't think listening to music or watching videos on devices sold as "media devices" is a "very specific usage". Nice reference to me owning a Mac though.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41994147]I don't think listening to music or watching videos on devices sold as "media devices" is a "very specific usage". Nice reference to me owning a Mac though.[/QUOTE] Most people don't stream from VPNs and home servers. Most people don't have hundreds of gigabytes of data. That is a pretty specific usage. I mean it's a phone. It's not expected to store as much as your home servers and 16GB should be enough for anyone. If it isn't, get a device that is better suited to your specific needs. The fact that you're able to listen to hundreds of songs and a high definition movie or three should amaze you, that is without data connections or anything. If it doesn't, get the Nexus 7 tablet because that'll double the storage and it's better suited as a "media device".
There's plenty of people I know that have around 16 gigs of music, and plenty of people I know that have more. I don't think there's anything wrong with this phone or any of the new phones outside of the imposition of a ~$50 8 gig addon. There's no reason that 8 gigs would warrant that much money, and if they plan on getting people like me to upgrade they're going to have to do better than that. I can wait. I don't have to spend my money on them. My phone also treats me nicely, I think. Haven't run into any crazy lag or freezing or anything with it.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;41994211]There's plenty of people I know that have around 16 gigs of music, and plenty of people I know that have more.[/QUOTE] Most MP3 files are around 4-5mb each. That's a pretty long/high quality song too. You could store up to 3200 songs and that's being generous. If 3200 songs isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to store 10,000 songs on your phone and you want a current generation flagship? You're going to pay the price. That's just the way it is. Google is a company that makes most of their revenue from the cloud/ services/advertising. They're already losing money on the Nexus 4. That's why they're selling it at such a low price. If you want freedom from Google and the cloud, you're going to pay a price because other companies care about profits from units sold rather than potential money from advertising/services and application purchases.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41993939]Most people have access to WiFi/3G/4G data ALL the time and unless you're hoarding FLACs or movies on your phone, you shouldn't have a problem. Don't have enough data to stream music and watch videos? I don't understand why when there's plenty of prepaid options that offer unlimited voice/data/text for $50. [editline]28th August 2013[/editline] Feel free to spend $599+ on a flagship device with expandable storage then.[/QUOTE] Really, the shit we get here is claimed to be 3G but it's slow as hell and doesn't work half the time, making your phone's battery life go to shit. That and missing important calls. I regret moving away from landline.
Thing with cloud storage is, is that telco's and data plans suck. I have a 200mb data plan and I never go over it but that's because it exempts Facebook and twitter, if that wasn't the case I'd go over all the time I just find that phones are good for music and social networking and the odd game or two, my tablet stores all my movies, TV shows, music and games.
I don't know why is everyone complaining, even if the 16gb version is 50$ more expensive, that's still the best price / quality ratio around. Hell it could be 100$ more that I wouldn't care, the phone is just that good and being fully supported by google puts every other Android device (except for the S4 and Xperia Z ofc) to shame. This is basicly Android's iPhone. Quality hardware + software optimized for said hardware = awesome shit. As for the lack of SD card slot, I'm a gigabytes hungry music listener and never had any problem with the storage thanks to google's great cloud service. It's fast, efficient and lets you access your 320kbs mp3 from anywhere. If I'm driving thru some 3G-less places, I still have my 11gb of on-storage music, which is more than enough for any human being on a week or two networkless trip. The major fuckup on Google / LG part is the lack of 4G/LTE, that's pretty much it. This is a great deal, and you shouldn't even argue over weither or not you're going to get it. If you need a new phone that won't cost you a limb, this is what you're going to get. [editline]28th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;41994250]Thing with cloud storage is, is that telco's and data plans suck. I have a 200mb data plan and I never go over it but that's because it exempts Facebook and twitter, if that wasn't the case I'd go over all the time I just find that phones are good for music and social networking and the odd game or two, my tablet stores all my movies, TV shows, music and games.[/QUOTE] Then have no fear, you can download all the music you can from your cloud storage using your home's wifi, by a single press of the finger. It's literally as easy as it sounds : pin music you want to have on your device, unpin what you won't be needing. It takes a few seconds to download (assuming you've got a shitty 1mbp/sec connection like mine). [editline]28th August 2013[/editline] And you can stream your music from your cloud, so if the 3G's good and you got an unlimited data plan, you won't even notice the mp3 wasn't on your phone. god i sound like some Google PR, but after 8 months of use, I still can't find any flaw to this phone aside from the lack of 4G
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41994174]Most people don't stream from VPNs and home servers. Most people don't have hundreds of gigabytes of data. That is a pretty specific usage. I mean it's a phone. It's not expected to store as much as your home servers and [B]16GB should be enough for anyone.[/B] If it isn't, get a device that is better suited to your specific needs. The fact that you're able to listen to hundreds of songs and a high definition movie or three should amaze you, that is without data connections or anything. If it doesn't, get the Nexus 7 tablet because that'll double the storage and it's better suited as a "media device".[/QUOTE] You're joking right? I've got a 16GB iPhone and I have to keep deleting apps because my 6GB of Music, 2GB of photos and 4 GB of apps take up too much room on the device (I have about 2GB free due to the OS) To suggest that watching movies, having a lot of music, or recording video is an uncommon act is just strange at this point in time.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;41994350] Then have no fear, you can download all the music you can from your cloud storage using your home's wifi, by a single press of the finger. It's literally as easy as it sounds : pin music you want to have on your device, unpin what you won't be needing. It takes a few seconds to download (assuming you've got a shitty 1mbp/sec connection like mine).[/QUOTE] I had google music and i thought it was brilliant because it combined your local library with a whole selection of songs, I was turned off by how expensive it is though
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;41993236]While I'm suddenly very interested in upgrading my S2, it would also mean I would have to get a new SIM card due to size (I think - I can't cut those up right?).[/QUOTE] you can easily
I suppose imported N4 won't work in europe, will it?
you just have to download a template and trim off the excess plastic
[QUOTE=itisjuly;41994549]I suppose imported N4 won't work in europe, will it?[/QUOTE] It should but you're better off buying it from the european google store (199€ & 249€), the shipping fees from the US are huge.
[QUOTE=bubbagamer;41994609]It should but you're better off buying it from the european google store (199€ & 249€), the shipping fees from the US are huge.[/QUOTE] Assuming you even can.
Wow if this deal was available a couple of months ago I might have got it instead of the Galaxy S2 I ended up purchasing from ebay S2 seems pretty solid though so meh
[QUOTE=Whomobile;41994056]I have a Samsung Galaxy W that can barely run Android 2.4, I think it's time for n upgrade...[/QUOTE] I have the same phone but I have to wait till November because contract.
Lol why are people sticking up for Google leaving out MicroSD slots from their phones? It costs them next to nothing to add the functionality in and they're just omitting it so they can charge extortionate prices for internal storage increases. I like Android as much as the next guy but I'm not going to buy a phone without that functionality.
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