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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49854457]Do you really have no idea why the middle east might not like America..?
Is this just a thing for Trump voters?[/QUOTE]
What I think doesn't matter. He asked for a source to my claim, and that is what I provided.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49854469]lets put aside that just simply matching up numbers with other numbers is meaningless
Are those 15 million unemployed in the same areas as the migrant workers source of employment? If not, will they be able to easily move, or travel there? Will they even accept those jobs at the minimum wage that it'll be set to in those states? Will they move to earn those minimum wages?
Like seriously, do you people think about 'logistics' before you just answer with bullshit?[/QUOTE]
put another way
opening up 10 million jobs in california is not going to help the people of flint michigan
why does the ban apply to "muslims" as a collective?
what good does it do exactly
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49854469]lets put aside that just simply matching up numbers with other numbers is meaningless
Are those 15 million unemployed in the same areas as the migrant workers source of employment? If not, will they be able to easily move, or travel there? Will they even accept those jobs at the minimum wage that it'll be set to in those states? Will they move to earn those minimum wages?
Like seriously, do you people think about 'logistics' before you just answer with bullshit?[/QUOTE]
What do you mean "you people?"
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49854502]why does the ban apply to "muslims" as a collective?
what good does it do exactly[/QUOTE]
Well, Islam is the only religion that promotes "Join or Die" in the 21st century...
[QUOTE=Ridge;49854506]Well, Islam is the only religion that promotes "Join or Die" in the 21st century...[/QUOTE]
let's say I am a muslim who wants to blow up the white house
you say "no muslims allowed"
I say "oh that's fine, I'm not a muslim"
what do you do
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49854555]i'm sure you'll find many villages in north africa who have a join or die policy except in regards to christianity[/QUOTE]
You'll also find a lot of Muslim villages in North Africa that promote that.
The thing is, those are radicals. It's actually written in the Koran to convert them or kill them.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49854506]What do you mean "you people?"
[editline]2nd March 2016[/editline]
Well, Islam is the only religion that promotes "Join or Die" in the 21st century...[/QUOTE]
I mean you trump supporters who take whatever he says as gospel and have utterly failed to think critically about his claims and think about the logistics OF his claims
[editline]2nd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;49854570]You'll also find a lot of Muslim villages in North Africa that promote that.
The thing is, those are radicals. It's actually written in the Koran to convert them or kill them.[/QUOTE]
Oh it's only Islam with vile things in it's text?
NOPE.
[url]http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2007/05/words-from-inquisition-convert-or-die.html[/url]
:toxx: Me for a Month if Berine becomes the next President
[QUOTE=Ridge;49854506]Well, Islam is the only religion that promotes "Join or Die" in the 21st century...[/QUOTE]
why must you turn this thread into a house of lies?
I saw the video of jon oliver shitting on trump. apparently trump believes one of the best ways of dealing with isis is taking out relatives of isis members. What the fuck, who would think that's a good idea?
i've seen motherfucking ferns smarter/more compassionate than this dude.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49854590]:toxx: if Bernie becomes president[/QUOTE]
Are you toxxing that he won't be President, or if he does.
[QUOTE=myng;49854626]I saw the video of jon oliver shitting on trump. apparently trump believes one of the best ways of dealing with isis is taking out relatives of isis members. What the fuck, who would think that's a good idea?
i've seen motherfucking ferns smarter/more compassionate than this dude.[/QUOTE]
Trump's supporters are the kind of people who think compassion = weakness.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49854684]Are you toxxing that he won't be President, or if he does.[/QUOTE]
The Toxx is if he wins
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49854590]:toxx: if Bernie becomes president[/QUOTE]
You guys really need to learn how to invoke the Toxx Clause correctly. I'm having to butcher all these Internet law documents just to make this work.
When you Toxx yourself, you should be specifying something to do, in your case;
"Toxx me. If Bernie becomes president I will do [thing]". If you don't do the thing, you're getting permabanned, just doing what you've done is nowhere near as fun.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49854506]
Well, Islam is the only religion that promotes "Join or Die" in the 21st century...[/QUOTE]
Then why is there sizable Christian/other non Muslims populations in even the most conservative Mulism country? Islam has some bad shit in it yeah but so does Christianity and you don't have to make shit up because there's no "join or die" thing going on.
You are talking about 1.6 billion fucking people. Do you have any idea how many people that is? How many cultures it covers? Many of whom are no doubt good people who haven't done jack shit? All because a tiny amount did some bad shit in Germany? Do you have any idea how idiotic this idea is?
CNN is running a story at the moment called "Clinton manager says Bernie winning is mathematically impossible". Almost everytime he gets mentioned on NBC or CNN they downplay his campaign making it seem like you might as well not waste your vote on him and just go Hilary. It hurts to watch the blatant bias of media coverage. If they actually covered him in a fair manner people would realize his consistency as a candidate and he would do better in polls. But now its nothing but pessimistic talk, "oh bernie has zero chance, just give up and vote hilary not because your political views align with them but because we think this person is more popular." Legit removing the choice out of voting, what is the fucking point then? Its like voting for who you think is going to win instead of voting for you you want to win.
Why do you guys even pay attention to Fat White Lump? He blatantly shitposts on anyone who isn't Trump and actively shills for him in any political thread. Just ignore him.
[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;49854766]CNN is running a story at the moment called "Clinton manager says Bernie winning is mathematically impossible". Almost everytime he gets mentioned on NBC or CNN they downplay his campaign making it seem like you might as well not waste your vote on him and just go Hilary. It hurts to watch the blatant bias of media coverage. If they actually covered him in a fair manner people would realize his consistency as a candidate and he would do better in polls. But now its nothing but pessimistic talk, "oh bernie has zero chance, just give up and vote hilary not because your political views align with them but because we think this person is more popular." Legit removing the choice out of voting, what is the fucking point then? Its like voting for who you think is going to win instead of voting for you you want to win.[/QUOTE]
CNN's nickname has been the "Clinton News Network" long before any of these candidates were running for president.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49853369]Well if you saw some of the nasty lies the guy wrote about Trump you would understand.
With torture, I'm all for it. I'm all for bringing back something worse than waterboarding. If you saw some of the shit ISIS actually does you would be too.[/QUOTE]
I responded to this already in brief, but I'm going to respond again in full.
The strength you see, the strength you talk about, and the strength you pretend to have, is not true strength. It is the strength of pretenders, of cowards and of fools.
You see that ISIS is "winning" against a coalition of nations with far more military power, economic power, and political power, and conclude that they must have some other strength that we lack - let us call it "strength of will" - and then, seeing that they are "winning", conclude that their strength is [I]better[/I] than ours, and that we can only hope to defeat them once we, too, have that strength.
You are a pretender, because you think yourself strong because you have the stomach to do what needs to be done. You think yourself the lone voice of courage in an era of cowardice, because you can so freely cast aside the rules of civilization, of Enlightenment culture, in order to protect it. You have not said as much (for Strong Men do not need to talk about how strong they are), but the tenacity with which you cling to your position can only mean that you think to do otherwise would be to show weakness. Or perhaps you simply don't consider anyone else's position except as an argument to defeat, being absolutely confident in your own rightness, but that, too, is a false strength.
You are a coward for thinking that we must surrender to ISIS's methods. Torture is forbidden, not merely when it is convenient, but at all times, because it is fundamentally incompatible with democracy and liberty. It is a tool only of those who wish all others to bend to their will - those who think that they are unquestionably right, and all opposing viewpoints must be silenced.
If a person has committed to a course of evil, and will not be stopped by anything else, then yes, by all means, kill them. Hell, even if they could be stopped by something, but not before they might wreak more harm, killing them is ethically justified. Put a bullet through all of their heads. But the goal is to eliminate them as a threat, not to force them to suffer. Torturing them first, no matter what your justification is, is simply broadcasting "this person and their ideas are so evil that they are no longer human" - a message broadcast more towards your own subjects than to his compatriots. The eternal implied message is "if I deem your ideas as evil as his, I will torture you too".
Also, take a moment to appreciate the irony in the statement "If you saw [ISIS using torture on their prisoners], you would [support torturing ISIS prisoners] too". Flip that around for a moment and you get one of ISIS's recruitment pitches - "America tortured prisoners, and so they're evil and we're justified in using torture as well". There is literally not a single shred of difference between your logic, and that. I wonder, if you had been born on the other side of the globe and the other side of the conflict, if you would have ended up joining ISIS, because your philosophy differs from theirs only in name.
You are a fool for thinking that ISIS is winning because of their strength. They are barely holding on because we don't consider them enough of a threat to truly use our military force. We could destroy them in mere weeks, were we to deploy even a fraction of our full power. We could take the Seventh Army and sweep ISIS off the map - and then, for good measure, sweep Assad after them. Supporters might remain in the shadows, and some might do things in their name, but we could destroy them as a territory-holding nation with little effort.
We do not make that effort because, after a decade of bush wars, and with all the trouble we have at home, we are [I]tired[/I]. ISIS is a problem we can take care of in the metaphorical morning, after a cup of metaphorical coffee, most people feel. And you know what? They really aren't wrong. The Paris attacks were awful, don't get me wrong, but they aren't an existential threat. France could have that happen every week and still be perfectly fine as a nation. America could endure a 9/11 every Tuesday and terrorism would only be the third-highest cause of preventable death.
([I]Obviously[/I], I don't think leaving ISIS be is a good idea - they really are committed towards an evil course of actions, and every death that can be prevented by killing them is worth saving. I'm merely pointing out that we're far more afraid of them than we have any justified reason to be, and that leaving them mostly alone because we have bigger priorities isn't a factually-wrong idea, merely a consequentially-wrong one.)
You really want to stop ISIS, and damn the consequences? The most effective first step at this point would be to have a bunch of SEAL teams do some "extraordinary renditions" of Assad and his top leaders, and drop them off at the Hague for trial. They're as guilty of war crimes as anyone tried at Nuremberg, and that alone might be enough for the non-ISIS rebels to take power and start restoring order. Of course, what Russia does in response falls under "damn the consequences"...
Glad to see someone else recognizes the mirror image of fat white lump
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49854705]You guys really need to learn how to invoke the Toxx Clause correctly. I'm having to butcher all these Internet law documents just to make this work.
When you Toxx yourself, you should be specifying something to do, in your case;
"Toxx me. If Bernie becomes president I will do [thing]". If you don't do the thing, you're getting permabanned, just doing what you've done is nowhere near as fun.[/QUOTE]
I edit it are you happy?
fat white lump just got fucking annihilated. holy shit.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49855120]fat white lump just got fucking annihilated. holy shit.[/QUOTE]
he will brush it all off having read about 1/10th of the post and he certainly won't recognize the similarity in his call for violence to ISIS's. I've pointed it out in a point blank fashion and he doesn't think that his view point is all that similar to theirs.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49855120]fat white lump just got fucking annihilated. holy shit.[/QUOTE]
I seriously thought "Fat white lump" was a new meme for Trump. I only now realized that it was an actual FP user posting in these threads.
I dont pay attention to usernames enough
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49855158]he will brush it all off having read about 1/10th of the post and he certainly won't recognize the similarity in his call for violence to ISIS's. I've pointed it out in a point blank fashion and he doesn't think that his view point is all that similar to theirs.[/QUOTE]
believe me, i know. but that doesnt change the fact that that's one of the better posts i've seen in a while. i'm thankful gman-003 is as well spoken as he is.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49855120]fat white lump just got fucking annihilated. holy shit.[/QUOTE]
To be honest I don't think he's for real. Even other Trump supporters aren't as utterly taken in as he is, almost everything he says could have come straight from Trump himself. If he is for real then it just goes to show how creepily powerful a cult of personality can be.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49853175]Why?
They're both corporate advocates.[/QUOTE]
This isn't the only issue in politics.
Everyone on reddit and facepunch is turning into a single issue voter they say they loathe, instead of something like gay marriage or healthcare its this so called "Establishment". I'm sick of people acting like it's all the "Establishment" that matters. Establishment this, Establishment that, it's tiring how people's heads are so far up their assholes they'll switch from social democrat to insane right-wing populist on the drop of a dime because they're a single issue voter even though they won't fucking admit it.
THere's more to politics than this establishmentThere's the issue of universal healthcare. There's the issue of college debt. There's the issue of racial inequality. There's the issue of wealth inequality. There's the issue of wages. There's the issue of LGBT interests. There's the issues of foreign policy. There's so many issues besides this percieved "Establishment monster". YES CORRUPTION IS BAD. But acting like that's all that matters in this election is just ruining my internet browsing experience and is going to ruin this country if enough of these peopleare so convinced that they love Bernie so much for his "Anti-establishment" that, someone who has the "Same" "Qualities" like Trump (Spoilers: He fucking doesn't!!!!!!) who goes against all the policy and things Bernie fights for, is a better alternative than Bernie-lite. I can't believe how monumentally stupid these voting-age people can be. Or, the idea that because Hilary and Trump are both "Corporate interests" they're comparable in everything. That's not how it works at all, but they think it is so they won't vote.
Hillary is not comparable to Trump. Bernie is not comparable to Trump. They both have different issues and stances on matters that aren't Trump's same stances and issues. And these issues are more important than trying to dismantle the entire political "Etablishment" in one goddamn election. Spoilers, it won't happen that simply and it'll need the use of good surpreme court judges that will overturn citizens united (Which Hillary is more likely to appoint) and for them to get a majority in the Supreme Court when the issue pops up. THAT'S how you dismantle this so called "Establishment" or whatever.
(Sorry, not directed at you in particular Human Abyss, whatever your stance may be, but I just used it as a launching platform for my rant)
^ Couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;49855191]To be honest I don't think he's for real. Even other Trump supporters aren't as utterly taken in as he is, almost everything he says could have come straight from Trump himself. If he is for real then it just goes to show how creepily powerful a cult of personality can be.[/QUOTE]
Even if he was trolling, it was good practice at that style of argument.
Most people have different reasons to believe what they believe, than they recite when arguing against others - they are convinced by irrational arguments, and then try to rationalize them in order to justify them to others. FWL's inner arguments were just transparently obvious, much like the flaws in his stated arguments.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49854571]I mean you trump supporters who take whatever he says as gospel and have utterly failed to think critically about his claims and think about the logistics OF his claims
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Oh it's only Islam with vile things in it's text?
NOPE.
[url]http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2007/05/words-from-inquisition-convert-or-die.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm not a Trump supporter, but thanks for putting me into a group so that it's easier for you to discount my opinion.
And the Inquisition was in the 13th century, and this is the 21st.
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[QUOTE=myng;49854626]I saw the video of jon oliver shitting on trump. apparently trump believes one of the best ways of dealing with isis is taking out relatives of isis members. What the fuck, who would think that's a good idea?
i've seen motherfucking ferns smarter/more compassionate than this dude.[/QUOTE]
He probably saw Swordfish
[video=youtube;_Rym7uvGCOA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rym7uvGCOA[/video]
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