Super Tuesday - most polling booths close at 7pm EST
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MN Caucuses dont start until 7pm and ends around 8pm central due to state law, fyi.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49845480]She is a slightly better rhetorician and she has the brand name.
(I support Bernie)[/QUOTE]
That really is a dumb idea to vote for someone.
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[QUOTE=Code3Response;49845558]MN Caucuses dont start until 7pm and ends around 8pm central due to state law, fyi.[/QUOTE]
If that doesn't sound like a way to make voting hard, I don't know what is.
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If that doesn't sound like a way to make voting hard, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Its actually to encourage voting. All public facilities, save a few, must be closed after 6pm to allow voting. By 7pm everyone is done with work, ate dinner probably, and rush hour ended.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49845179]That's part of it. Really, I'm pretty cynical about the whole thing. At times I've been honest, dishonest, and semi-sarcastic about liking Hillary, but here's the bullet points for me:
* Foreign Policy. Bernie has none. Where he does, it sucks.
* College. I don't think Bernie can get free college in the United States. I think he overestimates his ability to close tax loopholes. If he knows that these are overestimations, then he's no better than any other politician. Hillary Wants a 20 year loan forgiveness and restructuring program, with a payment system based on after-tax discretionary spending. This, to me, sounds more achievable than trying to close tax loopholes.
* Healthcare. Hillary has been for universal healthcare for a long time. Hillarycare seemed more reasonable than outright free medicare for all: those who can't pay, don't pay. Those who can pay, pay what they can.
*I'm afraid that Bernie's goal to make the USA more like Europe will eliminate the United States as a private sector hub, weakening our economy as companies ship not only more jobs overseas, but move their headquarters overseas.
There's others but they're eluding me right now.
I don't have any illusions that Hillary isn't dishonest, but I do think she has the most reasonable ideas, with more reasonable plans. I mean, Obama is pretty dishonest, but look at all he's gotten done: he saved the Auto industry, got the ACA pushed through, became the first president to openly support gay marriage, drew back American troops from conflict zones, signed a landmark non-proliferation treaty with Russia, and brought unemployment in check.
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if you want to convince someone of something, maybe don't cite a website that's obviously biased.[/QUOTE]
*Foreign Policy - One of the only people to vote against the war, is against the US being the singular World Police, is generally against military intervention, he has always been against deals which enable foreign workforces to literally import Jobs from America.
*College - It's just this way of thinking that's the only thing standing in the way. Free college education isn't just "kek i want free stuff," it's an investment that basically guarantees that you'll have tens of millions of educated people enter the workforce, which inevitably is a humongous boost to productivity and this GDP. I live in Estonia, our higher education is free, our health care is free, we are much poorer than the US.
*Hillary on Universal Healthcare - I don't recall her being for single payer universal care, which, lets be honest, is the only one worth talking about. The ACA isn't shit.
[quote]*I'm afraid that Bernie's goal to make the USA more like Europe will eliminate the United States as a private sector hub, weakening our economy as companies ship not only more jobs overseas, but move their headquarters overseas.[/quote]
So making it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas, would make companies ship jobs overseas.
Like I get how I'm not American and all but this literally is such hyperbolic bullshit that I can't even
[quote]if you want to convince someone of something, maybe don't cite a website that's obviously biased.[/quote]
[B]wow, you see that underlined text on the right?[/B]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/9BFvQit.png[/img]
[B]Imagine if that text led to reputable scientific and economic sources, what a world we would live in, eh?[/B]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49845600]So making it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas, would make companies ship jobs overseas.
Like I get how I'm not American and all but this literally is such hyperbolic bullshit that I can't even[/QUOTE]
Which of his policies "make it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas"?
[QUOTE=Occlusion;49845150]So you'll perpetuate your idea of democracy being corrupt, by voting someone into office who doesn't represent your views? Whatt???![/QUOTE]
Welcome to American politics. We rarely vote for people, instead we vote against others.
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[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49845639]Which of his policies "make it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas"?[/QUOTE]
Tariffs on imported goods make them more expensive to buy, so people will be less likely to purchase products made abroad, if they're available domestically for less.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49845639]Which of his policies "make it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas"?[/QUOTE]
Clearest track record you could possibly imagine.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/98P521r.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49845656]Clearest track record you could possibly imagine.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/98P521r.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Isn't that about the same as Trump though?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49844932]Are you both willing to put a :toxx: on that?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;49844939]Would you like to :toxx: that?
Bradyns u fuckin fiend[/QUOTE]
LoganIsAwesome has already toxxed that Bernie will win the presidency let alone the nomination.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49845600]*Foreign Policy - One of the only people to vote against the war, is against the US being the singular World Police, is generally against military intervention, he has always been against deals which enable foreign workforces to literally import Jobs from America.[/quote]
Other than opposing iraq, I don't think any of those are positives. I think the US needs a strong military, and ought to be the leading global super power. I think the world is better off with a strong US. I also don't consider jobs going overseas to be necessarily a bad thing, nor do I consider it to be part of foreign policy (economics, and taxation imo).
[Quote]*College - It's just this way of thinking that's the only thing standing in the way. Free college education isn't just "kek i want free stuff," it's an investment that basically guarantees that you'll have tens of millions of educated people enter the workforce, which inevitably is a humongous boost to productivity and this GDP. I live in Estonia, our higher education is free, our health care is free, we are much poorer than the US.[/quote]
I don't think free college would be the best thing for america. I don't think that everybody should go to college (since college doesn't necessarily give you marketable skills). I think that sending everyone to college is going to ruin the labor market in the US when people who should otherwise be working blue collar jobs are now all going to college because someone else told them to.
[Quote]*Hillary on Universal Healthcare - I don't recall her being for single payer universal care, which, lets be honest, is the only one worth talking about. The ACA isn't shit.[/quote]
The ACA is a humongous step forward for america, and I think should be expanded upon. I think "pay what you can, if you can" is a good solution. I'd like universal healthcare, but we need to build the bridge before we can cross it.
[quote]So making it harder for companies to ship jobs overseas, would make companies ship jobs overseas.
Like I get how I'm not American and all but this literally is such hyperbolic bullshit that I can't even[/quote] I'm not talking about manual labor or manufacturing jobs, I'm talking about high paying middle class jobs. I think we can stand to benefit from sending manufacturing jobs overseas and focusing on better, middle class jobs which can pull people out of poverty. However, I think that if we over tax and prevent a free market from flourishing, companies will move their entire corporate operations to other countries, which will result in no more middle class jobs in the US.
[Quote][B]wow, you see that underlined text on the right?[/B]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/9BFvQit.png[/img]
[B]Imagine if that text led to reputable scientific and economic sources, what a world we would live in, eh?[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that bernie plans won't make the money he claims they will (I could pull out other sources which say the opposite, and point out that a lot of economists who have validated sanders' claims still don't support him). I'm saying that bernie overestimate his ability to actually DO those things. It's him vs. The world. And the democratic party won't magically bend to his every whim just because he's president. He's a party outsider, and he still has to get through an army of Republicans who are liable to tear him to shreds worse than they did obama
RIP Bernie
[QUOTE=Ridge;49845641]Tariffs on imported goods make them more expensive to buy, so people will be less likely to purchase products made abroad, if they're available domestically for less.[/QUOTE]
How will that create jobs?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49845656]Clearest track record you could possibly imagine.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/98P521r.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you're trying to say by quoting this, all this is saying is that he would rather make imports more expensive for everyone living in America.
[QUOTE=proch;49845717]Isn't that about the same as Trump though?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Trump is against all those disastrous free trade deals that let companies export jobs to china and mexico.
He exemplifies this point by exporting his clothing jobs to china and mexico.
Hilary's massive support from the black community is both hilarious and tragic.
The Clintons hardly deserve their reputation.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49845785]How will that create jobs?.[/QUOTE]
Because of economics. If it costs more to import a good, less people are going to buy the good which is bad for the international business.
Tariffs provide domestic made goods a better market with increased demand. More demand, more supply, more production, businesses expand, jobs are made.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49845785]How will that create jobs?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say by quoting this, all this is saying is that he would rather make imports more expensive for everyone living in America.[/QUOTE]
Simply put, make it cheaper/more attractive for companies to hire and manufacture in the US instead of setting up shop in China.
More decent paying jobs, more buying power, more purchases being made, more income to those offering services and goods.
Cost of this of course being a slightly smaller profit margin, depending on the industry we talking about.
I genuinely don't see how you could even argue this as being a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49845872]Because of economics. If it costs more to import a good, less people are going to buy the good which is bad for the international business.
Tariffs provide domestic made goods a better market with increased demand. More demand, more supply, more production, businesses expand, jobs are made.[/QUOTE]
Or, it drives down consumer spending and puts us in a recession, losing jobs.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49845570]That really is a dumb idea to vote for someone.
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If that doesn't sound like a way to make voting hard, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he is exucesing them just explaining it
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49845899]Or, it drives down consumer spending and puts us in a recession, losing jobs.[/QUOTE]
If the stuff isn't made here, anyways, then there are no American jobs at risk.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49845818]Hilary's massive support from the black community is both hilarious and tragic.
The Clintons hardly deserve their reputation.[/QUOTE]
I don't quite understand how or why race is such a big deal in elections. "They have the black vote", "We need to get the Hispanic vote", etc.
What is the black vote? poorer neighborhoods that are mostly black? Wallstreet executives that are black? Your average middle aged accountant that's black? I don't get it, those are all very different people.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49845872]Because of economics. If it costs more to import a good, less people are going to buy the good which is bad for the international business.
Tariffs provide domestic made goods a better market with increased demand. More demand, more supply, more production, businesses expand, jobs are made.[/QUOTE]
What? That's not what happens at all. If you make things more expensive, people are going to buy less of it, not more.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49845938]If the stuff isn't made here, anyways, then there are no American jobs at risk.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you understand what he said. Decreased consumer spending is bad for the economy no matter how you spin it.
oh please don't fuck up america
[QUOTE=Ridge;49845938]If the stuff isn't made here, anyways, then there are no American jobs at risk.[/QUOTE]
Overall, it would be a net increase on the cost of living. There's a reason companies export labor. I think we shouldn't have a higher tariff on products of foreign companies (honda, sony, for example), I think we should be allowed to have the choice
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;49846012]oh please don't fuck up america[/QUOTE]
Don't worry Trump is still on target for taking the majority
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49846007]What? That's not what happens at all. If you make things more expensive, people are going to buy less of it, not more.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what a tariff is? Its making international goods more expensive. Not domestic products. Tariffs are used to protect domestic business.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49845899]Or, it drives down consumer spending and puts us in a recession, losing jobs.[/QUOTE]
How does that make sense?
Blue collar work is the backbone of a nation, it's the main source of income for a huge amount of people and thus a huge amount of potential customers. I mean you as an American are definitely aware that you have many other belts in addition to the Bible belt right? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt]The Rust Belt is a direct result of work mostly due to being shipped overseas[/url]
There's also the matter that these jobs aren't doing anyone any favors overseas neither. Foxconn fires their people when their hands break down from repetitive work.
It's funny how during the time that jobs were being sent to china, [url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-08-25/obama-seeks-jobs-plan-as-u-s-workingman-status-further-erodes.html]the US median income dropped 27%[/url]
If we had a percentage limit on profits we could solves this whole thing. That way people would be forced to either donate their extra profit to taxation or otherwise lower the price of the product.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49846056]How does that make sense?
Blue collar work is the backbone of a nation, it's the main source of income for a huge amount of people and thus a huge amount of potential customers. I mean you as an American are definitely aware that you have many other belts in addition to the Bible belt right? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt]The Rust Belt is a direct result of work mostly due to being shipped overseas[/url]
There's also the matter that these jobs aren't doing anyone any favors overseas neither. Foxconn fires their people when their hands break down from repetitive work.
It's funny how during the time that jobs were being sent to china, [url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-08-25/obama-seeks-jobs-plan-as-u-s-workingman-status-further-erodes.html]the US median income dropped 27%[/url][/QUOTE]
Because higher cost of goods means lower spending.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49846031]Don't worry Trump is still on target for taking the majority[/QUOTE]
THATS WHAT IM WORRIED ABOUT
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49846007]What? That's not what happens at all. If you make things more expensive, people are going to buy less of it, not more.
I'm not sure you understand what he said. Decreased consumer spending is bad for the economy no matter how you spin it.[/QUOTE]
Except [B]consumer spending increases when there's more and better paying internal jobs[/B]
Consumer spending only decreases when [I]they have less money[/I], which happens when [I]they have no job[/I], which happens when [I]jobs are sent overseas to child and slave labor markets[/I]
Like I could put it into a syllogism for you if you want.
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