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I get that there is probably a lot of intricacies to this sort of thing, and every news agency wants to be the first to report it, but it really is annoying when they call a state before ANY of the votes come in.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49847319]if cnn's your source right now, those are just exit poll projections[/QUOTE] NBC, and The AP are reporting it
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49847323]I get that there is probably a lot of intricacies to this sort of thing, and every news agency wants to be the first to report it, but it really is annoying when they call a state before ANY of the votes come in.[/QUOTE] All that it means is that they're sure a candidate is going to win. There's no point in waiting. Of course delegates are proportional so by how much matter a lot, but the general public just wants to know that "hillary won blank", "trump won blank".
Oh, and at the same polling center I linked above, Sanders supporters were kicked out for holding signs: [video=youtube;vXCC96Wvy8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXCC96Wvy8Y[/video]
Establishment must be pretty worried if they are sending out Bill-dog
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49847368]Establishment must be pretty worried if they are sending out Bill-dog[/QUOTE] It probably isn't establishment, its more of "She's my wife heh"
[QUOTE=benwaddi;49846993]How are the GOP closer to the extreme authoritarian fascist parties than they are to Hillary? It makes no sense.[/QUOTE] This political compass shit is never that great.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;49846993]How are the GOP closer to the extreme authoritarian fascist parties than they are to Hillary? It makes no sense.[/QUOTE] the website is terrible and ran by extremist left-wingers who say non-ironically 'neoliberal agenda' [editline]2nd March 2016[/editline] The quiz itself is alright (there is a better version though) but they place the candidates on the scale to suit their own ideological biases and do so without putting the candidates positions through the test but rather wherever they feel like, as they admit on their website.
Hilary has the most experience in the White House without actually serving a presidental term and is willing to work with Congress to get her agenda done (Whether that be good or bad, it'll likely be a mix of both). She still has to address progressive issues in her term for Americans, as that's what got her elected, so I'll likely have my trust in her for that over any Republican. Bernie Sanders keeps giving an aura of being unwilling to negotiate with anyone to meet his demands. Remember the Rise of the tea party and how we have a deadlocked Congress? Think of the kind of hell Bernie Sanders would spawn. Bernie Sanders has very idealistic ideas and while I support most of them I think Hilary is going to be more grounded in reality with how she addresses progressive issues. Like, if you compare it as an issue-to-issue thing, Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton are nearly identical in what they advertise. Hilary is more likely to push her ideas through, even if they end up being more watered down in what they accomplish (Which is better than the absolute nothing from a man who isn't willing to play the politics game and remains staunch on what he wants. Which is admirable, but it's not how Washington works.) Ultimately I don't care who wins the Primary, I'm voting Democrat either way and don't need to compare either of them to a Republican I'd rather have because I'd rather have no Republican at all. Shame I can't vote in a federal senate election, those are going to matter more where I live (I'm in a pretty safe Republican state, but having democrat senators aren't unheard of here.)
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49847441]Policy wise Hilary and Bernie are almost identical. Hilary has the most experience in the White House without actually serving a presidental term and is willing to work with Congress to get her agenda done (Whether that be good or bad, it'll likely be a mix of both). She still has to address progressive issues in her term for Americans, as that's what got her elected, so I'll likely have my trust in her for that over any Republican. Bernie Sanders keeps giving an aura of being unwilling to negotiate with anyone to meet his demands. Remember the Rise of the tea party and how we have a deadlocked Congress? Think of the kind of hell Bernie Sanders would spawn. Bernie Sanders has very idealistic ideas and while I support most of them I think Hilary is going to be more grounded in reality with how she addresses progressive issues. Like, if you compare it as an issue-to-issue thing, Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton are nearly identical in what they advertise. Hilary is more likely to push her ideas through, even if they end up being more watered down in what they accomplish (Which is better than the absolute nothing from a man who isn't willing to play the politics game and remains staunch on what he wants. Which is admirable, but it's not how Washington works.) Ultimately I don't care who wins the Primary, I'm voting Democrat either way and don't need to compare either of them to a Republican I'd rather have because I'd rather have no Republican at all. Shame I can't vote in a federal senate election, those are going to matter more where I live (I'm in a pretty safe Republican state, but having democrat senators aren't unheard of here.)[/QUOTE] Hillary changed quite a bit of her platform to appeal to bernie voters, but historically she has been one of the worst people for those issues. Her donations from big money put her dedication to the issues Bernie is for into question as well.
Haha, people saying "Bernie won Vermont". No shit, even if Iowa was a Hilary sweep, salt the earth and burn the ashes, 99-1 delegates, Bernie was winning Vermont. Bernie winning Vermont isn't groundbreaking. It won't matter. It was inevitable. There wouldn't be a world where Bernie didn't win Vermont. Bernie Supporters are getting more delusional every day and they're going to be very disappointed and end up not voting at all. Which I'd rather them at least put that energy towards Hilary Clinton, or if you really wanted to send a message to the "Establishment", Jill Stein is a good choice. I will never cease to headdesk at people who's first candidate is Bernie and second candidate is Trump though. The mental gymnastics people must go through to come to that conclusion.
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49847441]Hilary has the most experience in the White House without actually serving a presidental term and is willing to work with Congress to get her agenda done (Whether that be good or bad, it'll likely be a mix of both). She still has to address progressive issues in her term for Americans, as that's what got her elected, so I'll likely have my trust in her for that over any Republican. Bernie Sanders keeps giving an aura of being unwilling to negotiate with anyone to meet his demands. Remember the Rise of the tea party and how we have a deadlocked Congress? Think of the kind of hell Bernie Sanders would spawn. Bernie Sanders has very idealistic ideas and while I support most of them I think Hilary is going to be more grounded in reality with how she addresses progressive issues. Like, if you compare it as an issue-to-issue thing, Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton are nearly identical in what they advertise. Hilary is more likely to push her ideas through, even if they end up being more watered down in what they accomplish (Which is better than the absolute nothing from a man who isn't willing to play the politics game and remains staunch on what he wants. Which is admirable, but it's not how Washington works.) Ultimately I don't care who wins the Primary, I'm voting Democrat either way and don't need to compare either of them to a Republican I'd rather have because I'd rather have no Republican at all. Shame I can't vote in a federal senate election, those are going to matter more where I live (I'm in a pretty safe Republican state, but having democrat senators aren't unheard of here.)[/QUOTE] But the main thing is that Hillary isn't trustworthy. I don't trust her, I don't think she's honest. Plus I think she'll do the same thing that Obama did and fold and compromise the second she gets in. (i'm not saying that bernie wouldn't compromise, but he wouldn't immediately fold to demands). Plus that's an extremely inaccurate view of Bernie, he is very good at bipartisanship, even republicans like working with him because even though he's opinionated and ideological because he wants results. He wants to work together and get things done.
Look, the truth is if you haven't been convinced of a certain candidate by now, your likely not going to change your vote. All I can say is vote for who you think has the best interests in mind, or who you think will bring the most success to the country. Nobody's got a crystal ball, no one knows for sure what the future will bring. In the end, that's all we can do. Just make sure to do it. Don't be lame and not vote. Not voting doesn't help anything.
"stop saying bernie won vermont that makes you delusional"...? [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] I have to agree with the Trump being second choice thing though. The two candidates are the most diametrically opposed candidates possible, how could you want Trump after Bernie? At least Hilary isn't a straight up fascist.
I think a Trump vs Clinton would complete the Horseshoe political theory :v:
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49845414]Question to everyone voting Hillary, why would you vote her with all her bullshit? Have you even looked into her, or do you just go by what she is saying now?[/QUOTE] Because Hillary Clinton is a homogenized market-brand politician that's good to vote for because we say so. And you'll vote for her, and everyone else will too, because at the end of the day people vote for whatever candidate they hear the name of most. Values? Principles? Who cares, advertising works based on familiarity, not on actual value. Sanders needs to get his name out more if he's going to stay competitive against a candidate that has such a stranglehold over television. [QUOTE=GarbageCan;49847441]Hilary has the most experience in the White House without actually serving a presidental term and is willing to work with Congress to get her agenda done (Whether that be good or bad, it'll likely be a mix of both). She still has to address progressive issues in her term for Americans, as that's what got her elected, so I'll likely have my trust in her for that over any Republican. Bernie Sanders keeps giving an aura of being unwilling to negotiate with anyone to meet his demands. Remember the Rise of the tea party and how we have a deadlocked Congress? Think of the kind of hell Bernie Sanders would spawn. Bernie Sanders has very idealistic ideas and while I support most of them I think Hilary is going to be more grounded in reality with how she addresses progressive issues. Like, if you compare it as an issue-to-issue thing, Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton are nearly identical in what they advertise. Hilary is more likely to push her ideas through, even if they end up being more watered down in what they accomplish (Which is better than the absolute nothing from a man who isn't willing to play the politics game and remains staunch on what he wants. Which is admirable, but it's not how Washington works.) Ultimately I don't care who wins the Primary, I'm voting Democrat either way and don't need to compare either of them to a Republican I'd rather have because I'd rather have no Republican at all. Shame I can't vote in a federal senate election, those are going to matter more where I live (I'm in a pretty safe Republican state, but having democrat senators aren't unheard of here.)[/QUOTE] When negotiating with the opposing party you don't start with a watered-down version of [B]the opposition's own position[/B]. You [B]do not compromise before going in[/B]. Obama did this and it made him completely ineffectual, to the point where not only did they [B]block him[/B] on everything, but he has thrown his own reputation in the mud in a vain appeal to the republican opposition, like wanting to put up a republican on the Supreme Court. I hope you realize that the Tea Party was created while Barack "Bend-over Backwards" Obama was in office. Why? Because they smelled blood in the water. You give the republicans an inch and they'll take a mile. Hillary Clinton is only parroting Bernie Sander's vote to get elected. She's completely untrustworthy with debate hosts asking questions like "Will you say anything to be elected?" and voter fraud/soliciting.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49847495]"stop saying bernie won vermont that makes you delusional"...? [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] I have to agree with the Trump being second choice thing though. The two candidates are the most diametrically opposed candidates possible, how could you want Trump after Bernie? At least Hilary isn't a straight up fascist.[/QUOTE] Trump is my only alternative because I'm completely apathetic to establishment politics and I refuse to continue playing along with the bullshit. Hopefully sanders tho It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.
[QUOTE=cody8295;49847572]It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.[/QUOTE] Let me put it this way; anything can happen, but the evidence shows that Bernie will likely not win. I don't think Bernie will win but I'm still voting for him.
[QUOTE=cody8295;49847572]Trump is my only alternative because I'm completely apathetic to establishment politics and I refuse to continue playing along with the bullshit. Hopefully sanders tho It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.[/QUOTE] So then what you're saying is that Sander's plans and policies are meaningless to you?
[QUOTE=cody8295;49847572] It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.[/QUOTE] You willing to toxx that he will be, then?
TYT is making some good points right now. The big Dem states are so late in the race they basically don't matter.
[QUOTE=patq911;49847615]TYT is making some good points right now. The big Dem states are so late in the race they basically don't matter.[/QUOTE] Here I am, sitting in California... waiting...
[QUOTE=cody8295;49847572]Trump is my only alternative because I'm completely apathetic to establishment politics and I refuse to continue playing along with the bullshit. Hopefully sanders tho It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.[/QUOTE] You should toxx it up dude.
Trump has Georgia, looks to be pulling it ahead in VA
[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;49847620]Here I am, sitting in California... waiting...[/QUOTE] Unless Bernie can keep a very, very close tie all the way into June, which is extremely unlikely, you will most likely only have Clinton to vote for.
I gotta say I'm willing to give more weight to the opinion of a /pol/lack who spouts Trump memes on /r/The_Donald than a Bernie supporter who's willing to do a 180 to send a message to the "Establishment", because I think a Bernie supporter who's second candidate is Trump doesn't value their own political opinion much at all, so why should I?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49847592]So then what you're saying is that Sander's plans and policies are meaningless to you?[/QUOTE] No, I truly hope America redeems itself by electing bernie, but if the DNC goes with the unelectable candidate, I'm going to contribute to the landslide victory for trump just because
[QUOTE=cody8295;49847572]Trump is my only alternative because I'm completely apathetic to establishment politics and I refuse to continue playing along with the bullshit. Hopefully sanders tho It's the people that have already "realized" bernie won't be president that are delusional.[/QUOTE] Honestly you should have your vote taken away if this is what you think. You clearly either don't understand or don't care what the difference is between the two candidates and just want to vote for whoevers "anti-establishment". Grow up Thanks for confirming this with your above post, please don't vote for the sake of everyone else.
[QUOTE=GarbageCan;49847645]I gotta say I'm willing to give more weight to the opinion of a /pol/lack who spouts Trump memes on /r/The_Donald than a Bernie supporter who's willing to do a 180 to send a message to the "Establishment", because I think a Bernie supporter who's second candidate is Trump doesn't value their political opinion so much at all, so why should I?[/QUOTE] They obviously have different priorities than you. I'll never vote for Trump, but at the sametime I really don't like Hillary. I always vote so I'll vote for her but I can understand why people are sick and tired of these politics.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;49847658]Honestly you should have your vote taken away if this is what you think. You clearly either don't understand or don't care what the difference is between the two candidates and just want to vote for whoevers "anti-establishment". Grow up[/QUOTE] Actually the differences in their policies doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is keeping Clinton out of the white house. I understand the differences between bernie and trump
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