Britain Set to Destroy historical guns in museum collections.
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[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49356414]You are in[I] Sensationalist Headlines[/I]. Obviously titles are going to be a bit sensational.[/QUOTE]
people taking it literally, like yourself, is why SH sucks
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;49355707]to what point will a criminal try to rob a possibly defunct historical weapon from a secured museum, rather than just buying a working gun from the black market[/QUOTE]
seems purely paranoid all in all when you think about it
This is literally one Conservative MP saying that it [B]could[B][/B][/B] happen in order to rally support against the EU, and it is working brilliantly with some of you guys.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49360061]Many thousands of incredibly historic items are held in private hands. The government cannot realistically look after everything of historic value. Private collectors are able to keep artifacts safe and well kept. [b]Private collections are entirely capable of being used for educational purposes.[/b]
There's no reason for firearms to be an exception to this.[/QUOTE]
A good example of this is Forgotten Weapons, who has this relevant video.
[video=youtube;NqKAWA4LaPw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKAWA4LaPw[/video]
[quote][B]UPDATE: Since this article was first published, the European Commission has contacted us to make clear that the proposed changes to EU gun laws set out in this article do not affect museums administered by public authorities. We are happy to set the record straight.[/B][/quote]
Can they not just donate them to a different country or remove the internals? Seems a shame to destroy a piece of history!
I know it'll probably do nothing but it can't do any harm:[URL="https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership"]
https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership[/URL]
Even though I'm pro gun control, going after historical stuff is the dumbest idea. Criminals aren't that dumb, robbing a museum/private collection is risky as fuck, why not just buy a gun legally (in the US) or illegally. It's so much easier, and probably cheaper because you might have to restore the old gun.
[QUOTE=Richy19;49367596]Can they not just donate them to a different country[/quote]
Then how are Britons supposed to see them in the museums if they're no longer in Britain?
[quote]or remove the internals? Seems a shame to destroy a piece of history![/QUOTE]
Removing the internals is destroying it. The whole point is to see the gun in its full glory, with half the gun missing it's essentially destroyed at that point. Granted, most museum guns are deactivated to begin with, destroying them, but this law sought to go after deactivated ones too.
Clearly no one's seen Demolition Man, if we want a MDK free future we have to act now.
Almost got angry but then I saw it was the telegraph and realised it's probably bollocks.
This is the same newspaper that claimed climate change isn't happening because they don't understand what seasonal ice is.
[QUOTE=Bung Piece;49376760]Clearly no one's seen Demolition Man, if we want a MDK free future we have to act now.[/QUOTE]
I still want to learn how to use the three shells though.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49377648]I still want to learn how to use the three shells though.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't know how to use the three seashells hahahaha
I think the recent laws are written by some of the worst, it's like that one HR Department of wherever you work and instead of keeping everyone to the laws and policies of the company, it's more like they have their own set of laws and policies get thrown out the window all the time. Why, there's been plenty of times where someone has attacked me in school and of course what happens? The kid isn't punished because often times the school blames the victim as it's easier than trying to get hold of the kid that doesn't follow laws - btw that kid also happens to be popular so he corrupts the teachers into getting a better treatment if he is caught breaking the rules. This is essentially the same problem with terrorists, instead of the rules targeting the terrorists they end up targeting the citizens they were designed to protect.
It's nice to say "you can't attack another person" then have a bunch of laws stating where it might be allowed in certain circumstances ie self defence but then when the law is broken instead of the justice department acting on it - you have the victim in front of the court and well the law breaker is dead or missing, hell they're not planning on ever attending court because they don't even follow the laws so they do the next best thing - they come up with a reactionary law! Let's say you were attacked by a spoon, they'll think that by banning spoons they've stopped this attack from ever taking place ever again... let's hope they're not going to be this retarded and go through with this like I think they will.
As someone who enjoys firearms in the UK (pro-gun, if you will), this generally makes me sad. I hope this doesn't get passed.
"UPDATE: Since this article was first published, the European Commission has contacted us to make clear that the proposed changes to EU gun laws set out in this article do not affect museums administered by public authorities. We are happy to set the record straight."
This does change a few things, however, seeing historical weapons altered doesn't make me too happy. Fair enough, the ones in the Leeds armoury and other museums I've seen are deactivated and look alright (you can't see the alterations made) but this doesn't mean someone from another country can determined that they should be destroyed.
Even if you can't see that they've been altered/deactivated it's still bullshit. An untouched, operational firearm can be kept clean and protected indefinitely. Nearly every set of deactivation requirements make parts of the internals inaccessible to cleaning efforts, meaning it'll eventually rust out from the inside.
It's also ethically questionable to hack up and disable century year old relics anyway.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49400654]Even if you can't see that they've been altered/deactivated it's still bullshit. An untouched, operational firearm can be kept clean and protected indefinitely. Nearly every set of deactivation requirements make parts of the internals inaccessible to cleaning efforts, meaning it'll eventually rust out from the inside.
It's also ethically questionable to hack up and disable century year old relics anyway.[/QUOTE]
In the UK to have something deactivated, you need to have a deactivated license which can be easy to get, where they weld the bolt and the barrel closed, however, you cannot see if anyone has actually done that since they do everything from the inside, so from the outside it looks functional.
[QUOTE=Britishboy;49401183]In the UK to have something deactivated, you need to have a deactivated license which can be easy to get, where they weld the bolt and the barrel closed, however, you cannot see if anyone has actually done that since they do everything from the inside, so from the outside it looks functional.[/QUOTE]
Which means you can't open/disassemble it to clean it - which means it'll rust out from the inside with time. It's not fair to the item and it's not fair to the owner to force them to do it. The kinds of guns on the deac market aren't really ideal for crime.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49401217]Which means you can't open/disassemble it to clean it - which means it'll rust out from the inside with time. It's not fair to the item and it's not fair to the owner to force them to do it. The kinds of guns on the deac market aren't really ideal for crime.[/QUOTE]
This is why I'd rather have active guns, with replica guns on display. If you have to show active guns, do what they did at the Leeds Armoury, put them in a display case with CCTV, and really thick glass. It won't stop criminals from trying but however, it'll deter them from attempting to break in. If you don't give them the opportunity they can't take it.
Why not just send the guns over to an American museum?
This gun control meme has to stop.
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