[QUOTE=Kolmala;18306285]If they find aliens, the next step would be to send missionaries to "enlighten" them.[/QUOTE]
Which would promptly get us blown back to the stone age.
... actually, probably the 'planetary formation' age as our planet has to coalesce again
Although personally I have no problem with them thinking about the possibility of extraterrestrial life. At least they're becoming more open to certain concepts that were initially shunned and such. Good on them, I suppose.
The Vatican has always been interested in aliens.
in the pope-mobile there's this red button on the dashboard that turns it into a heavily armed UFO interceptor.
why else would it look so ridiculous.
There never was anything wrong with aliens.
The only people who denied that in the name of faith did not want to give up their status as being "superior to everything".
[QUOTE=yawmwen;18313074]The biggest thing backwards about religion is what they believe in. We have come so far in science but people still claim there is an invisible guy somewhere pulling the strings. First they thought that god created Adam and Eve, or whatever(it's different in every religion). Now most people admit that it is a silly idea, so they have created new ways to rationalize a god and afterlife being there.[/QUOTE]
oh yes someone has a different view to athiest life so theyre immediately backwards. it doesn't matter if god exists or not most of the world still believes in a god there is nothing backwards to that. whats really backwards is your total ignorance.
the only time it matters is when it affects me i.e. if I get my girl pregnant and can't abort her because of some mad irishman bombing down my clinic.
[QUOTE=Master117;18308062]I was watching a show on the History Channel that claims that most modern religions stemmed because of aliens visiting thousands of years ago. There was some very interesting and thought provoking evidence that suggests aliens were here thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
That was Stargåte
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;18307374]How so exactly? I could be wrong, but I don't think it says anything about extraterrestrials in the bible.[/QUOTE]
...exactly.
[i]Apparently[/i] God created the heavens and the Earth, and Adam and Eve, and the animals, and divided the land from the seas. He made humanity superior to all other life.
He didn't make no aliens.
But [i]apparently[/i] none of that is taken seriously anymore anyway.
I think when you have to modify and/or ignore certain ([b]HUGE[/b]) sections of your teaching to fit with what is actually found to be true, then your theories have already been proven wrong.
[QUOTE=Master117;18308062]I was watching a show on the History Channel that claims that most modern religions stemmed because of aliens visiting thousands of years ago. There was some very interesting and thought provoking evidence that suggests aliens were here thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
Go become a scientologist! =D
[QUOTE=Beau_Chaotica;18315008]...exactly.
[i]Apparently[/i] God created the heavens and the Earth, and Adam and Eve, and the animals, and divided the land from the seas. He made humanity superior to all other life.
He didn't make no aliens.
But [i]apparently[/i] none of that is taken seriously anymore anyway.
I think when you have to modify and/or ignore certain ([b]HUGE[/b]) sections of your teaching to fit with what is actually found to be true, then your theories have already been proven wrong.[/QUOTE]
So just because they weren't mentioned in the bible means it's impossible to exist? I mean there are large numbers of years in the bible where it doesn't say what God is doing but that doesn't mean he doesn't exist, from a theological standpoint. So how would aliens disprove religion, when the bible doesn't anywhere say that they can't exist? Just trying to understand your logic here.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;18315248]So just because they weren't mentioned in the bible means it's impossible to exist? I mean there are large numbers of years in the bible where it doesn't say what God is doing but that doesn't mean he doesn't exist, from a theological standpoint. So how would aliens disprove religion, when the bible doesn't anywhere say that they can't exist? Just trying to understand your logic here.[/QUOTE]
Ok first let me point out that rating me dumb does not invalidate my argument.
Secondly, I'd like to ask you to read my post again:
[QUOTE=BeauChaotica]I was gonna say what they're overlooking really is that if they just incorporate extraterrestrial life into their belief system then to be honest that's one dogmatic oversight too far.
It basically shows up a lot of what they claim about the universe to be nothing short of wrong.
All the same I guess it's too much to hope for that they'll realise their own ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Nowhere in there did I say extraterrestrial life would 'Disprove religion' as you put it. My point is that this sort of thing has happened in the past. The same church which is now looking into ET life would once have people put to death for claiming anything other than the accepted state of the universe, which was:
1. The Earth was the centre of the universe
2. It was a single flat plane
3. Humans were superior in every way to every other form of life.
It may not mention aliens in the Bible, but it [i]does explicitly say[/i] that God created humans as the dominant species and his main interest. If we come across intelligent life on other planets then that theory is disproven. What they then do is [i]adapt[/i] their teachings.
They've done it before years after Galileo was put under house arrest by the Pope for daring to speak out against their misinformed dogma. It happened again when people started to lose faith in the creation myth; it is now generally thought of by many denominations as hypothetical and 'not to be taken literally' whereas in the past it has been taught as outright fact.
Therein lies my complaint.
I don't see what part you're having trouble with.
I bet the guy who thought up that pun thinks he's the cleverest bastard alive.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;18308574]
If you actually take a theology class, you learn that the Catholic and Christian religions don't actually believe in the stories in the bible. They did a long time ago, but not the modern day churches.
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Yeah, modern day churches just pick and choose the ones that let them grab more power and discriminate against non-christians, while tossing out the ones (the big fish story) that make them look stupid.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18315728]Yeah, modern day churches just pick and choose the ones that let them grab more power and discriminate against non-christians, while tossing out the ones (the big fish story) that make them look stupid.[/QUOTE]
For clarification to Mr. Damagepoint, yes this is exactly my point.
I think that doing this damages any credibility they had in the first place.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;18307700]Except for the fact that the God Emperor is a god who does guide humanity.[/QUOTE]
Except for the fact that the God Emperor never wanted to be viewed as a god, only a great man, and that great man is a mostly dead corpse on life support.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;18315929]Except for the fact that the God Emperor never wanted to be viewed as a god, only a great man, and that great man is a mostly dead corpse on life support.[/QUOTE]
And quite hungry.
For souls.
I'm Catholic.
Good for me.
[QUOTE=Beau_Chaotica;18315560]Ok first let me point out that rating me dumb does not invalidate my argument.
Secondly, I'd like to ask you to read my post again:
Nowhere in there did I say extraterrestrial life would 'Disprove religion' as you put it. My point is that this sort of thing has happened in the past. The same church which is now looking into ET life would once have people put to death for claiming anything other than the accepted state of the universe, which was:
1. The Earth was the centre of the universe
2. It was a single flat plane
3. Humans were superior in every way to every other form of life.
It may not mention aliens in the Bible, but it [i]does explicitly say[/i] that God created humans as the dominant species and his main interest. If we come across intelligent life on other planets then that theory is disproven. What they then do is [i]adapt[/i] their teachings.
They've done it before years after Galileo was put under house arrest by the Pope for daring to speak out against their misinformed dogma. It happened again when people started to lose faith in the creation myth; it is now generally thought of by many denominations as hypothetical and 'not to be taken literally' whereas in the past it has been taught as outright fact.
Therein lies my complaint.
I don't see what part you're having trouble with.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beau_Chaotica]I think when you have to modify and/or ignore certain (HUGE) sections of your teaching to fit with what is actually found to be true, then your theories have already been proven wrong.
[/QUOTE]
I still don't think you understand. The bible makes no mention of exteresstial life, so how would saying it might exist equal 'modifying and/or ignoring huge sections of your teaching' when the bible makes no mention of such beings in the first place? To say otherwise (i.e. there are no aliens) would mean for the church coming out and changing their belief system for whatever reason they see fit, but just to acknowledge the possibility of existence of extraterrestrials does not go against their dogma system, they aren't changing anything. In the bible it says man are the dominant species on earth, but that doesn't mean there can't be life on other planets, that's you coming out and interpreting the bible and putting your own dogma into it.
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And I didn't rate you box.
Cool, I guess. :raise:
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;18316418]Things[/QUOTE]
Whatever you say.
What's your point, by the way? Or were you just trying to prove me wrong?
Edit: Look, ok I'll rephrase this in terms you can comprehend.
I think it's stupid.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;18316418]I still don't think you understand. The bible makes no mention of exteresstial life, so how would saying it might exist equal 'modifying and/or ignoring huge sections of your teaching' when the bible makes no mention of such beings in the first place? To say otherwise (i.e. there are no aliens) would mean for the church coming out and changing their belief system for whatever reason they see fit, but just to acknowledge the possibility of existence of extraterrestrials does not go against their dogma system, they aren't changing anything. In the bible it says man are the dominant species on earth, but that doesn't mean there can't be life on other planets, that's you coming out and interpreting the bible and putting your own dogma into it.
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And I didn't rate you box.[/QUOTE]
Okay. That's great, but arguing the validity of the bible is like arguing what clothes leprechauns would wear. Before you even bring up the bible, you should prove that a greater power does in fact exist.
I still don't understand why people believe in a god, let alone something as completely ridiculous as the bible.
They're just going to stare at the sun for a week shouting "whaddup niggas?" and conclude that there are no aliens.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;18319321]Okay. That's great, but arguing the validity of the bible is like arguing what clothes leprechauns would wear. Before you even bring up the bible, you should prove that a greater power does in fact exist.
I still don't understand why people believe in a god, let alone something as completely ridiculous as the bible.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but that's not what we're talking about.
In other news, the catholic church was today re-classified as "UFO Cult"
[QUOTE=Master117;18308062]I was watching a show on the History Channel that claims that most modern religions stemmed because of aliens visiting thousands of years ago. There was some very interesting and thought provoking evidence that suggests aliens were here thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
I actually have a book that's contains that idea. Not sure what the name was, but it was by Dean Koontz. It wasn't that good, pretty mediocre in fact, but the overall idea of ancient people thinking aliens would be omnipotent deities is quite enthralling.
[quote=iamgnome]why the hell are you people complaining
normally your complaining about backwards christians are, and now they're finally stepping to a right direction and you mock them.[/quote]
I think it's funny because of how backwards they [I]were[/I]. I mean, it was only, what, four hundred years ago that they imprisoned Galileo for theorizing that Earth orbits the Sun. If you really think about it, they're just being hypocrites.
Also, is there some term for religious evolution? I don't mean believing in religion and evolution, I mean the literal evolution of religion itself. I guess it could be labeled under Social Darwinism, but I find it fascinating.
I mean, the Greeks and similar cultures had tens of gods/goddesses who controlled each aspect of the natural world. As time went on, and science became more developed, people needed less and less deities for each explained aspect of the world. Not really sure how people jumped from this concept to one amazing, all-powerful god.
[B]EDIT:[/B] Hey, when did I get over 4,000 posts? News to me.
[QUOTE=iamgnome;18314852]oh yes someone has a different view to athiest life so theyre immediately backwards. it doesn't matter if god exists or not most of the world still believes in a god there is nothing backwards to that. whats really backwards is your total ignorance.
the only time it matters is when it affects me i.e. if I get my girl pregnant and can't abort her because of some mad irishman bombing down my clinic.[/QUOTE]
I don't care whether a person believes in god, and I don't think the people are backwards because of it(my whole family besides my sister and me are Christian). That doesn't make the fundamental belief system any less backwards and flawed though.
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[QUOTE=tarkata14;18321062]I actually have a book that's contains that idea. Not sure what the name was, but it was by Dean Koontz. It wasn't that good, pretty mediocre in fact, but the overall idea of ancient people thinking aliens would be omnipotent deities is quite enthralling.
I think it's funny because of how backwards they [I]were[/I]. I mean, it was only, what, four hundred years ago that they imprisoned Galileo for theorizing that Earth orbits the Sun. If you really think about it, they're just being hypocrites.
Also, is there some term for religious evolution? I don't mean believing in religion and evolution, I mean the literal evolution of religion itself. I guess it could be labeled under Social Darwinism, but I find it fascinating.
I mean, the Greeks and similar cultures had tens of gods/goddesses who controlled each aspect of the natural world. As time went on, and science became more developed, people needed less and less deities for each explained aspect of the world. Not really sure how people jumped from this concept to one amazing, all-powerful god.
[B]EDIT:[/B] Hey, when did I get over 4,000 posts? News to me.[/QUOTE]
There are still religions that worship multiple deities. Hinduism for example. Catholicism also worships so many saints for so many things that it could [b][i]almost[/i][/b] be considered polytheistic.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;18306535]Wouldn't that invalidate the bible?[/QUOTE]
Eastern orthodox and similar branches of Christianity pretty much ignore the bible, i guess that puts catholics into the mix.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;18324840]I don't care whether a person believes in god, and I don't think the people are backwards because of it(my whole family besides my sister and me are Christian). That doesn't make the fundamental belief system any less backwards and flawed though.
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There are still religions that worship multiple deities. Hinduism for example. Catholicism also worships so many saints for so many things that it could [b][i]almost[/i][/b] be considered polytheistic.[/QUOTE]
I cannot argue with the Hinduism example, but saints in Protestant/Catholic religions don't control aspects of nature. They are worshiped for whatever blessing/hope people think will come from said prayer.
Unless I'm mistaken.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;18329150]I cannot argue with the Hinduism example, but saints in Protestant/Catholic religions don't control aspects of nature. They are worshiped for whatever blessing/hope people think will come from said prayer.
Unless I'm mistaken.[/QUOTE]
That isn't what polytheism is about. Polytheism is believing in more than one deity. The thing about saints in the Catholic Church is that the Saints all have different powers and many times instead of going straight to god for an answer or blessing you go to a Patron Saint. It isn't Polytheistic exactly, but it is very similar. In fact it was probably in a way a merge with Pagan religions of the time, it absorbed many aspects in order to suit the people that believed it. We already celebrate Pagan Holidays, such as Christmas(although the birth of Christ, he really wasn't born December 25, that is the Winter Solstice, which is a straight up Pagan holiday).
[QUOTE=Rubs10;18308574]Fuck yea Jesuits!
It isn't against Catholicism or Christianity to believe in Evolution.
You guys want to hear a spoiler?...
If you actually take a theology class, you learn that the Catholic and Christian religions don't actually believe in the stories in the bible. They did a long time ago, but not the modern day churches.
To them, the Bible is actually about
1/2 fairy tales used to convey some message about being a good person.
1/4 exagerations that just emphasize how rich, wise, or good someone was. The numbers and such aren't true.
1/4 real. To them at least.[/QUOTE]
If the Bible really is the word of the Lord, then you can't just pick and choose what you believe. I also guess that they "don't believe" the commandments where you should, for example, stone to death disobedient children.
[QUOTE=ubertaco;18306357]............Why does my church seems to get [b]STUPIDER[/b] every [b]DAY?![/b]
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[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=842659[/url]
Just like this![/QUOTE]
Ahhh, the joys of being Protestant. At least I get to use contraception :3
Though, I would even if I wasn't.
This reminds me of Starvin' Marvin goes to Space
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What time is it, can someone give me a clock ?
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