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[QUOTE=phygon;50522628][IMG]http://monachuslex.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Assault_Weapon-300x203.jpeg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] While the picture is accurate, it's important to point out that "Assault rifle" is a correct term for a select-fire rifle. i.e. An M-16, M4, AK-47, etc, etc. anything that can be switched from semi-auto, full auto, or burst. [editline]14th June 2016[/editline] Though I suppose it's not technically wrong because I wouldn't expect a politician to know the difference in the details about the things they're legislating. Inaccuracy just bugs the shit out of me. Especially when it comes to making laws. Lawyers love ambiguity.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50522769]You're missing the point. It being "made up" is literally meaningless, all classifications are "made up" so we can classify things. It being just generally kind of shit however is something to complain about. If you're going to do regulation of anything, do it right for fucks sake.[/QUOTE] The difference being that it's arbitrarily made up. Yes, all classifications are made up, but they generally aren't totally arbitrary. For example, there's a meaningful difference between a handgun and a rifle. Those classifications have non-arbitrary meaning. Assault weapons, on the other hand, have no meaningful difference from other classifications.

AWB is dumb, if you're going to ban guns you might as well just ban all of them.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50523055]AWB is dumb, if you're going to ban guns you might as well just ban all of them.[/QUOTE]I believe that is the agenda of plenty of people, no matter how hard they say that isn't the case.

All Sobot said was that gun rights aren't under attack and everyone immediately began attacking his character, jfc

[QUOTE=OvB;50522498]Out of curiousity do you have the info on those? I'm looking but all I can find are a few stray forum posts mentioning years but no details. Something about two of those three being done by cops, and at least one of them involving a Mac 10.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html[/url]

[QUOTE=srobins;50521085]Clinton is calling for a ban on "assault weapons".[/QUOTE] I keep seeing people putting assault weapons in quotations, what's up with that? [editline]15th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;50522144]Assault weapon is a made up word. [/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44]Kinda yeah but it does have some important connotations attached to it.[/url] It's not just necessarily the select-fire capability, it's the ease in handling and control of the weapon for what it's capable of doing (in terms of ammunition, that is). Otherwise you might as well call a SMG an assault weapon. The StG44 basically set the premise, hence why they go after things like pistol grips. [QUOTE=wystan;50522337]I think the only time automatics were used in a high-profile crime was the North Hollywood shooutout in 1997, and those were "illegally modified" to be full-auto so I don't know if that counts. Interestingly enough out of the literal thousands of rounds fired the only people who died were the shooters. Just wanted to chip in, but I agree the AWB is a total waste.[/QUOTE] Considering fully automatic weapons are already banned, I have no idea why you've put "illegally modified" into quotes, either. That and I keep hearing from gun-nut friends of mine how easy it is to modify the things to be full-auto (depending on the gun), but then again the main one who argues this is: 1) An idiot who lacks personal responsibility. 2) Probably shouldn't own a gun because see #1.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50525406]I keep seeing people putting assault weapons in quotations, what's up with that? [editline]15th June 2016[/editline] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44]Kinda yeah but it does have some important connotations attached to it.[/url] It's not just necessarily the select-fire capability, it's the ease in handling and control of the weapon for what it's capable of doing (in terms of ammunition, that is). Otherwise you might as well call a SMG an assault weapon. The StG44 basically set the premise, hence why they go after things like pistol grips. Considering fully automatic weapons are already banned, I have no idea why you've put "illegally modified" into quotes, either. That and I keep hearing from gun-nut friends of mine how easy it is to modify the things to be full-auto (depending on the gun), but then again the main one who argues this is: 1) An idiot who lacks personal responsibility. 2) Probably shouldn't own a gun because see #1.[/QUOTE] You're mixing up the definition of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon#Definitions_and_usage]"Assault Weapon"[/url] (an object defined and banned by the 1994 AWB) And [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Definition]Assault Rifle.[/url] [quote=Assault Weapon]Common attributes used in legislative definitions of assault weapons include: Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine[14][11] Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock,[14] which reduces the overall length of the firearm[16] Pistol grip, whether rifle, shotgun, or pistol[14] Bayonet lug,[14] which allows the mounting of a bayonet Threaded barrel, which can accept devices such as a flash suppressor, Suppressor,[14] compensator or muzzle brake Grenade launcher[14] Barrel shroud, which prevents burning of shooter's arm or hand as a safety device.[/quote] [quote=Assault Rifle]In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4] It must be an individual weapon It must be capable of selective fire It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine[5] And it should have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards)[/quote] In some ways, this more or less demonstrates the problem with "Assault Weapon." It is specifically meant to evoke images of "Assault Rifle" without actually saying it.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50525406][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44]Kinda yeah but it does have some important connotations attached to it.[/url] It's not just necessarily the select-fire capability, it's the ease in handling and control of the weapon for what it's capable of doing (in terms of ammunition, that is). Otherwise you might as well call a SMG an assault weapon. The StG44 basically set the premise, hence why they go after things like pistol grips[/QUOTE] legally (which is the only sense that the phrase "assault weapon" actually exists in) most SMGs are assault weapons, in addition to being machine guns if fully automatic, so your point is kinda null. assault weapon is a made up word that categorizes weapons based on visual and perceived function, not by any kind of facts or knowledge.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50525406]I keep seeing people putting assault weapons in quotations, what's up with that? [editline]15th June 2016[/editline] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44]Kinda yeah but it does have some important connotations attached to it.[/url] It's not just necessarily the select-fire capability, it's the ease in handling and control of the weapon for what it's capable of doing (in terms of ammunition, that is). Otherwise you might as well call a SMG an assault weapon. The StG44 basically set the premise, hence why they go after things like pistol grips. Considering fully automatic weapons are already banned, I have no idea why you've put "illegally modified" into quotes, either. That and I keep hearing from gun-nut friends of mine how easy it is to modify the things to be full-auto (depending on the gun), but then again the main one who argues this is: 1) An idiot who lacks personal responsibility. 2) Probably shouldn't own a gun because see #1.[/QUOTE] Because "assault weapon" is a term made with the specific intention of scaring people who have no knowledge of firearms. "assault weapon" is mainly cosmetic things, to the point that swapping the stock on a legal rifle is enough to ban the gun even though it is the exact same gun.

Why not model the process of getting a gun similar to getting a car license plus the addition of background and social media activity checks? Seems reasonable and pretty effective to me.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50522426]There's been a few shootings that ended in deaths with legally owned automatics, 1934, 1988, and 1992.[/QUOTE] Vs 19 shark attacks a year in the U.S. You're more likely to win the lottery then get attacked by a shark then get shot with a legally owned automatic.