Thousands Protest in New York, Rallies in Other Cities Against Zimmerman Verdict - Polidicks

I do not understand protesting about this case in places that have absolutely nothing to do with this case, and can do absolutely nothing about it.

So if the justice system does something its not intended to do, its broken. If the justice system does something it was absolutely intended to do, its still broken. For fucks sake, humanity is just impossible to please. :suicide: [QUOTE=ilikecorn;41461711]No, but you could force the media to stop sensationalizing the information, by revoking the operating license of those who add to information. News shouldn't have "ratings" it should have information.[/QUOTE] FUCKING THANK YOU! I've been saying this for years. Fuck sensationalist media.

And on the Facebook is this shit: [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/36500_331490296986033_1526513188_n.jpg[/IMG] edit: I just realized this shit is like, over a year old what the fuck.

What is this with people saying Zimmerman's dad is a Nazi. I mean really? Well then again these people don't seem to be the brightest bulb in the light fixture if ya catch my drift.

[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;41461782]What is this with people saying Zimmerman's dad is a Nazi. I mean really? Well then again these people don't seem to be the brightest bulb in the light fixture if ya catch my drift.[/QUOTE] You think that's bad? The conspiracy side of the internet is doing backflips over the idea that Trayvon's dad was in the masons.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41461834]You think that's bad? The conspiracy side of the internet is doing backflips over the idea that Trayvon's dad was in the masons.[/QUOTE] Can't honestly say I'm surprised.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41461783]Give it a few weeks, no one will care then.[/QUOTE]But I wanna not care now! :v:

Shit, I just wish the whole thing never happened. Trayvon never went to the store, never beat up Zimmerman, and Zimmerman never shot him. So much less grief, and wasted time. An acquittal was bound to happen anyway. We could focus on more important things that are wrong with America. Still though, after all is said and done, this guy makes an intense point. Up to you if you agree or disagree. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/S00JGDH.png[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=An Axolotl;41461959] Still though, after all is said and done, this guy makes an intense point. Up to you if you agree or disagree. [/QUOTE] "A black male who could've been Trayvon Martin" - right. "I could've been hitting you against a concrete due to completely loosing my shit". But then again, the guy probably never watched the case, he just jumped in to make "relevant" and "smart" race remark.

[QUOTE=gudman;41461999]"A black male who could've been Trayvon Martin" - right. "I could've been hitting you against a concrete due to completely loosing my shit". But then again, the guy probably never watched the case, he just jumped in to make [B]"relevant" and "smart" race remark[/B].[/QUOTE] Well, if someone doesn't agree with the verdict, than are they dumb and/or racist? Can you provide an example of a comment, racial or otherwise, that is "smart"? PS: I'm not trying to start an argument, I just wanna hear you thoughts, that is all. :)

[QUOTE=KorJax;41461461] [B]Yes lets completely ignore that the "violence" was caused and started by him in the first place. [/B]Someone dies under the age of 18 in a tragic manner and everyone instantly assumes that the person who died is instantly an angel just because the races are different and he was a minor, so the media ran home with it.[/QUOTE] People keep repeating that but nobody knows that for sure. That's what zimmerman claims and well, martin is conveniently dead. For all we know zimmerman could have been the aggressor.

[QUOTE=An Axolotl;41462088]Well, if someone doesn't agree with the verdict, than are they dumb and/or racist? Can you provide an example of a comment, racial or otherwise, that is "smart"? PS: I'm not trying to start an argument, I just wanna hear you thoughts, that is all. :)[/QUOTE] Wait, what? I didn't call that Fraser guy racist because he doesn't agree with the verdict. I didn't call him racist at all. My opinion is that there's no "race flavor" in this case, at all. It's not racially motivated. And when people go out of their way, like this Fraser guy obviously did, to make this whole thing racially-driven, I kind of feel a bit like 'ugh these people sure are trying real hard". And when it's made to look subtle. Look at that comment, he's not calling Zimmerman racist, nor does he say that Trayvon was killed because of being black. But it still leaves a bad taste in your mouth. "Fair trial, unfair trial, just verdict, unjust verdict - doesn't matter Zimmerman, you're gonna live a life of a black man now", it just sounds like poster doesn't even care about the trial itself.

some people were talking about the verdict today. one person was talking about how the media was creating a distraction, that all of this was just divisive. the other person believed that the outrage was justified, this is what she said. "14 months ago a 19 year old latino man broke into a store in my town. He was stealing belt buckles. The store owner was sleeping on a cot in the back with a shotgun. he chased down the young man and shot him 5 times in the back, across the street, running for his life. The store owner was not charged on the basis of washingtons stand your ground laws. Did you see that "media distraction"? Everyday we should be building community gardens, but somedays we need to come together and be outraged. This is one of those days." i think this is a very valid point regarding the incident. it isn't just zimmerman's verdict that is being protested, this story is just becoming the face of a serious underlying issue throughout the united states. it isn't "justice for trayvon", it's "justice for all the trayvons".

[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;41461782]What is this with people saying Zimmerman's dad is a Nazi. I mean really? Well then again these people don't seem to be the brightest bulb in the light fixture if ya catch my drift.[/QUOTE] The thing I've been hearing more is that he was a mason.

[QUOTE=gudman;41462188]Wait, what? I didn't call that Fraser guy racist because he doesn't agree with the verdict. I didn't call him racist at all. My opinion is that there's[B] no "race flavor" in this case, at all. It's not racially motivated.[/B] And when people go out of their way, like this Fraser guy obviously did, to make this whole thing racially-driven, I kind of feel a bit like 'ugh these people sure are trying real hard". And when it's made to look subtle. Look at that comment, he's not calling Zimmerman racist, nor does he say that Trayvon was killed because of being black. But it still leaves a bad taste in your mouth. "Fair trial, unfair trial, just verdict, unjust verdict - doesn't matter Zimmerman, you're gonna live a life of a black man now", it just sounds like poster doesn't even care about the trial itself.[/QUOTE] In my opinion race does play a minor factor, would Zimmerman have pursued Martin if he was white? Would he have shot him? Then again, I/we don't know[?] if Zimmerman saw/knew that Martin was in fact black, as he was snooping through houses, for whatever reason. [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-iiam.gif[/IMG] PS:racist was the wrong word here, race-sensitive would've been more appropriate, if anything.

[QUOTE=aydin690;41462179]People keep repeating that but nobody knows that for sure. That's what zimmerman claims and well, martin is conveniently dead. For all we know zimmerman could have been the aggressor.[/QUOTE] Well, then I guess you better go get a time machine and follow them both around all night so you can provide proof otherwise.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41462264]some people were talking about the verdict today. one person was talking about how the media was creating a distraction, that all of this was just divisive. the other person believed that the outrage was justified, this is what she said. "14 months ago a 19 year old latino man broke into a store in my town. He was stealing belt buckles. The store owner was sleeping on a cot in the back with a shotgun. he chased down the young man and shot him 5 times in the back, across the street, running for his life. The store owner was not charged on the basis of washingtons stand your ground laws. Did you see that "media distraction"? Everyday we should be building community gardens, but somedays we need to come together and be outraged. This is one of those days." i think this is a very valid point regarding the incident. it isn't just zimmerman's verdict that is being protested, this story is just becoming the face of a serious underlying issue throughout the united states. it isn't "justice for trayvon", it's "justice for all the trayvons".[/QUOTE] I think a lot of white people don't understand this, and that's what makes the trial so trivial to them. Trayvon may not have been a saint, but he didn't deserve to have Zimmerman following him. Trayvon had to carry racial profiling with him wherever he went, all of his life. No person of color deserves that. I don't think that justifies his physical altercation with Zimmerman, but it should act as a solemn reality for Americans. That we have a group of people in this country who feel so uncomfortable, prejudiced, and oppressed, that they feel violence is a justification in response to these sort of altercations. And that some people on the opposite side are willing to use Stand Your Ground laws (which, as I discussed in the other thread, are notorious for letting whites walk away free) in order to exceed their own self-defense.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41462264]some people were talking about the verdict today. one person was talking about how the media was creating a distraction, that all of this was just divisive. the other person believed that the outrage was justified, this is what she said. "14 months ago a 19 year old latino man broke into a store in my town. He was stealing belt buckles. The store owner was sleeping on a cot in the back with a shotgun. he chased down the young man and shot him 5 times in the back, across the street, running for his life. The store owner was not charged on the basis of washingtons stand your ground laws. Did you see that "media distraction"? Everyday we should be building community gardens, but somedays we need to come together and be outraged. This is one of those days." i think this is a very valid point regarding the incident. it isn't just zimmerman's verdict that is being protested, this story is just becoming the face of a serious underlying issue throughout the united states. it isn't "justice for trayvon", it's "justice for all the trayvons".[/QUOTE] SYG is a defense for the victim as well as an overall deterrent to crime. The fact that some people STILL continue to commit crime despite knowing that their targets can defend yourself isn't a sign to get rid of SYG, it's a sign that the system needs to take more measures to rehabilitate would-be criminals BEFORE they get themselves killed. What he was stealing doesn't change that he broke in to steal; and [B]YES[/b] the shop owner was completely criminal in how he handled it before you get on me about that, however it's an exception, not the rule, and is not something that should affect SYG as a whole.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41462524]SYG is a defense for the victim as well as an overall deterrent to crime. The fact that some people STILL continue to commit crime despite knowing that their targets can defend yourself isn't a sign to get rid of SYG, it's a sign that the system needs to take more measures to rehabilitate would-be criminals BEFORE they get themselves killed. What he was stealing doesn't change that he broke in to steal; and [B]YES[/b] the shop owner was completely criminal in how he handled it before you get on me about that, however it's an exception, not the rule, and is not something that should affect SYG as a whole.[/QUOTE] i don't think stealing belts warrants a death sentence. i don't think stealing any person possession warrants a death sentence tbh. people don't just break into stores because they are greedy, they generally do it because that is sometimes the only apparent way to get consumer goods in a consumerist nation. i don't know enough about syg as a whole to be able to make an adequate judgement on the morality of it. i do know that syg seems to, in practice, allow white people to kill black people and walk free. this doesn't necessarily mean syg is inherently wrong, but it means that our justice system is still a racist institution, and is applying the law unevenly to the benefit of a certain racial group over another. that's definitely something to be outraged about.

The media is responsible for all this shit. They completely twisted the whole case and misinformed millions of people for their own benefit.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41461834]You think that's bad? The conspiracy side of the internet is doing backflips over the idea that Trayvon's dad was in the masons.[/QUOTE] The Masons aren't even bad. They're just a group of men in a secret club who sometimes give donations to their communities. Didn't we have a member here who did a Q&A about being one? [QUOTE=yawmwen;41462572]i don't think stealing belts warrants a death sentence. i don't think stealing any person possession warrants a death sentence tbh. people don't just break into stores because they are greedy, they generally do it because that is sometimes the only apparent way to get consumer goods in a consumerist nation. i don't know enough about syg as a whole to be able to make an adequate judgement on the morality of it. i do know that syg seems to, in practice, allow white people to kill black people and walk free. this doesn't necessarily mean syg is inherently wrong, but it means that our justice system is still a racist institution, and is applying the law unevenly to the benefit of a certain racial group over another. that's definitely something to be outraged about.[/QUOTE] The Zimmerman case really isn't about stealing belts. Supposedly Zimmerman felt that his life was at risk if he did not use lethal force. Most evidence seems to support this.

I think it's fair to say that Zimmerman was justified to use his gun by the time Trayvon Martin was on top of him. The problem is that, for every case where SYG or self-defense is a respectable claim, there are many like the one yawmwen posted where a white individual murders someone and walks away free. Or, something like this happens - [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing[/url] [quote](CNN) -- Saying he had no discretion under state law, a judge sentenced a Jacksonville, Florida, woman to 20 years in prison Friday for firing a warning shot in an effort to scare off her abusive husband. Marissa Alexander unsuccessfully tried to use Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law to derail the prosecution, but a jury in March convicted her of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of deliberation.[/quote] 20 years is pretty rough for firing warning shots against an abusive husband.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41462688]I think it's fair to say that Zimmerman was justified to use his gun by the time Trayvon Martin was on top of him. The problem is that, for every case where SYG or self-defense is a respectable claim, there are many like the one yawmwen posted where a white individual murders someone and walks away free. Or, something like this happens - [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing[/url] 20 years is pretty rough for firing warning shots against an abusive husband.[/QUOTE] I agree, but this isn't the case to be made an example out of.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41462468]I think a lot of white people don't understand this, and that's what makes the trial so trivial to them. Trayvon may not have been a saint, but he didn't deserve to have Zimmerman following him. Trayvon had to carry racial profiling with him wherever he went, all of his life. No person of color deserves that. I don't think that justifies his physical altercation with Zimmerman, but it should act as a solemn reality for Americans. That we have a group of people in this country who feel so uncomfortable, prejudiced, and oppressed, that they feel violence is a justification in response to these sort of altercations. And that some people on the opposite side are willing to use Stand Your Ground laws (which, as I discussed in the other thread, are notorious for letting whites walk away free) in order to exceed their own self-defense.[/QUOTE] Hey, can you like, present proof that Zimmerman racially profiled him? Like it's impossible for another race to look suspicious?

Its sad that these same uneducated people who think the verdict was some sort of injustice would probably be the same people who [B]support[/B] NSA wiretapping, saying things like "If you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about."

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41461611]This whole thing has been a win-win for mainstream media. They got to milk it for over a year and air nothing but it day after day, and now it's pretty much guaranteed to last even longer thanks to the reaction from their sensationalism.[/QUOTE] And all the people who are complaining about [B]The Media[/B] likely got their Zimmerman news from a major network or one of their local affiliates.

[QUOTE=Get Swag Son;41462735]Hey, can you like, present proof that Zimmerman racially profiled him? Like it's impossible for another race to look suspicious?[/QUOTE] Where did I say in that post that Zimmerman was racially profiling him? I'm saying that Trayvon, as a black person, obviously had previous experience with racial profiling. The IAT tests alone prove that, on a snap, subconscious judgment, [i]everyone[/i] has a more positive view of whites than blacks. Even blacks themselves. All I'm saying is that Trayvon's experiences with racial profiling fueled his anger. It wasn't right for him to hit Zimmerman, but it should be a call for concern if our society is producing people like Trayvon. And it should be a call for concern that thousands upon thousands of people of color are saying that they, too, recognize that racial profiling is happening on a daily basis. Dr. Despair himself captured this perfectly in the last thread, when his parents had to teach him how to hide his hands so he wouldn't look suspicious in stores. [QUOTE=ilikecorn;41462812]Warning shots aren't ever authorized, even in the military. Warning shots are usually made last minute, and people don't consider what's beyond their "target". This is going to sound horrible, but if your going to draw a weapon, you should shoot the guy. A weapon isn't a threat, it's not to scare someone off; it's to effectively end the threat that that person is presenting, by injuring them, most of the time in a fatal manner. Warning shots on the other hand, are usually made above or to the side of the person, unknowing of whats beyond the target.. What's there, maybe nothing, maybe a brick wall, maybe an innocent bystander, maybe a thin wall that the round punches through, and into some poor fuck who was just going about his day.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I've heard the justification for this too. But it still proves that we're creating a legal system where killing or harming someone is tactically better than trying to psychologically defend yourself. Here's a better example though: [url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/22/1076889/-Black-Shooter-of-White-Victim-in-Florida-Claimed-Stand-Your-Ground-still-went-to-Court#[/url] [quote]Dooley claimed that he was being attacked and choked by James as they struggled over the gun and it apparently went off killing James. [...] Eventually though, he was arrested and is now on trail awaiting the judges decision on a manslaughter charge. [/quote] He was sentenced to 8 years for manslaughter - [url]http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/trevor-dooley-sentenced-to-8-years-for-manslaughter/1270967[/url]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;41462901]And all the people who are complaining about [B]The Media[/B] likely got their Zimmerman news from a major network or one of their local affiliates.[/QUOTE] hey, what news station u work for?

[QUOTE=matt000024;41462645] The Zimmerman case really isn't about stealing belts. Supposedly Zimmerman felt that his life was at risk if he did not use lethal force. Most evidence seems to support this.[/QUOTE] that's ignoring basically my last couple posts dude.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41462468]I think a lot of white people don't understand this, and that's what makes the trial so trivial to them. Trayvon may not have been a saint, but [b]he didn't deserve to have Zimmerman following him. Trayvon had to carry racial profiling with him wherever he went[/b], all of his life. No person of color deserves that. [/QUOTE] You elaborated after "he didn't deserve to have Zimmerman following him" with "Trayvon had to carry racial profiling with him where ever he went"