Straight Surrey man says he was beaten for ‘being gay’ – for the second time - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ief014;42493862]This is actually my friends brother, he told me about it last night, I really couldn't believe it. That being said, he lives in one of the worst cities in BC...[/QUOTE] Is Surrey really that bad? I just thought it was a normal bedroom community? [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] (this is a nova scotian talking about his small experiences with bc)

[QUOTE=ief014;42493862]This is actually my friends brother, he told me about it last night, I really couldn't believe it. That being said, he lives in one of the worst cities in BC...[/QUOTE] This thread, along with this post right here, really concern the hell out of me. My best friend lives in Surrey when she isn't in the States with her boyfriend, and I have a deep-seated fear something's going to happen to her. It doesn't help that last year or the year before, their hockey team - or it might've been Vancouver's, but pretty sure it was Surrey's - lost their chance at the cup and so [i]there was a fucking riot[/i]. I know riots don't sound like anything to most of the world, but coming from a place where they'll tear gas and bean-bag rioters without a thought makes me really concerned for my friends that live in places where the police aren't quite so quick with their dispersion teams.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42493630]You can't carry a gun but you can carry a knife if you want as long as it isn't a switchblade or the like As for self defense you're allowed to match force with force whenever you want Aside from not having concealed carry our laws are basically identical to those in most American states[/QUOTE] Open-carry a sword.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;42494000]This thread, along with this post right here, really concern the hell out of me. My best friend lives in Surrey when she isn't in the States with her boyfriend, and I have a deep-seated fear something's going to happen to her. It doesn't help that last year or the year before, their hockey team - or it might've been Vancouver's, but pretty sure it was Surrey's - lost their chance at the cup and so [i]there was a fucking riot[/i]. I know riots don't sound like anything to most of the world, but coming from a place where they'll tear gas and bean-bag rioters without a thought makes me really concerned for my friends that live in places where the police aren't quite so quick with their dispersion teams.[/QUOTE] That riot was justified.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;42494013]Open-carry a sword.[/QUOTE] If it's anything like the States, pretty sure that's illegal as well. You can't conceal a blade longer than 1 inch or carry anything dangerous openly or it's brandishing. At least it's like that in Georgia.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;42494000]This thread, along with this post right here, really concern the hell out of me. My best friend lives in Surrey when she isn't in the States with her boyfriend, and I have a deep-seated fear something's going to happen to her. It doesn't help that last year or the year before, their hockey team - or it might've been Vancouver's, but pretty sure it was Surrey's - lost their chance at the cup and so [i]there was a fucking riot[/i]. I know riots don't sound like anything to most of the world, but coming from a place where they'll tear gas and bean-bag rioters without a thought makes me really concerned for my friends that live in places where the police aren't quite so quick with their dispersion teams.[/QUOTE] Surrey doesn't have a hockey team it's a relatively crime ridden suburb of Vancouver And the riots were just stupid. They weren't excessively violent though, some stores and cars were smashed, I think a couple cars were burned out (But I think the shit-stirring guys that show up to any riot did that) Police mostly stood in a line and waited, or they advanced slowly. It wasn't like the G20 protests, either in scale or in terms of violent police response But it was a riot, and as always the police [I]did[/I] get excessively violent

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;42494028]If it's anything like the States, pretty sure that's illegal as well. You can't conceal a blade longer than 1 inch or carry anything dangerous openly or it's brandishing. At least it's like that in Georgia.[/QUOTE] None of that applies here.

[QUOTE=Aman;42493689]Zimmerman disagrees :v:[/QUOTE] That's one case out of how many, again?

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42494082]That's one case out of how many, again?[/QUOTE] Sorry I just disagree with the dumb idea that apparently having a gun somehow puts you worse off. You don't have a gun, get attacked You do have a gun, get attacked what scenario would you rather take part in?

[QUOTE=The golden;42494131]Let's not increase the amount of guns in Canada by arming every citizen, thanks. We have problems with guns as it is, let's not add more.[/QUOTE] Yeah cause gun crime is that simplistic. And we are far from having any problem with guns. We have great (as in low) crime rates.

[QUOTE=The golden;42494131]Let's not increase the amount of guns in Canada by arming every citizen, thanks. We have problems with guns as it is, let's not add more.[/QUOTE] Hey that's dumb.

[QUOTE=Aman;42494141]Yeah cause gun crime is that simplistic. And we are far from having any problem with guns. We have great (as in low) crime rates.[/QUOTE] The way you're posting, you make it sound as if everyone should open carry a gun in their holster like it's a fucking wild west movie.

[QUOTE] “I feel sorry for that man, I really do, because if that’s the way he treats people and that’s what he derives pleasure from, he’ll never know true love, he’ll never know true happiness,” says Street. “He’ll never get to experience the things I take for granted. So I pity that man, and I don’t hate him for it. It’s not his fault if he doesn’t know any better, but it doesn’t excuse what he did.” [/QUOTE] P. Chill, that's the kind of people i wish i could hang out with. [sp]no homo[/sp]

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42494177]The way you're posting, you make it sound as if everyone should open carry a gun in their holster like it's a fucking wild west movie.[/QUOTE] Well sorry if you interpret me in that way, cause I don't. I just don't see the reasoning in why we shouldn't be able to. I'm just pissed off that being in public = you being defenseless cause the government says so in the misguided reason of "safety". Shit that is tailored for self defense is banned outright in Canada, stun guns/tasers, pepper spray, batons, etc. Why? what the fuck is the reasoning? [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] DaysBefore you really love using ratings while addressing nothing in the thread. Other than throwing out some oh so funny satirical quips.

[QUOTE=Aman;42494208]DaysBefore you really love using ratings while addressing nothing in the thread. Other than throwing out some oh so funny satirical quips.[/QUOTE] I'm in awe of your opinions

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42493608]IAs for being outside, if I suspect something, then I usually grab my keys and put them into the cracks of my fingers while making a fist. Makes a ruthless weapon for strikes.[/QUOTE] ghahaha i used to do this when i was in the seventh grade

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42493630]You can't carry a gun but you can carry a knife if you want as long as it isn't a switchblade or the like As for self defense you're allowed to match force with force whenever you want Aside from not having concealed carry our laws are basically identical to those in most American states[/QUOTE] Not really. If you tell the cop you have the knife for "self defence" they'll arrest you for weapons dangerous, and you'll likely get charged if you use it and haven't been caught with it. Not to mention we banned pepper spray. I mean come on, we banned fucking PEPPER SPRAY for God's sake, I don't think the government of '95 could really have said "We hate the concept of you being able to protect yourself" any louder. Regardless of Concealed Carry (which exists, but is nigh impossible to get), we can't even buy pepper spray, and if we're caught with a knife and say it's for defence we get locked up, and that's just not right.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;42494028]If it's anything like the States, pretty sure that's illegal as well. You can't conceal a blade longer than 1 inch or carry anything dangerous openly or it's brandishing. At least it's like that in Georgia.[/QUOTE] You can carry a pocket knife up to 4-5 inces, concealed. But if you were to use it as a weapon, even for self defense, you can still be charged. This includes using a gun in Canada for home defense; if you were to shoot a guy in your house, even for a good reason like him aiming at you, you are still going to get arrested until you are taken to court and proven justifiable. There are some people who even had jail time and other charges for using their gun even in fear of their lives. It kind of sucks in my opinion. If you think otherwise, I suggest you taking a look at the provincial laws for gun use, which are all pretty much the same.

[QUOTE=SatansSin;42493698]you've obviously never lived outside of a sub-urban area, your sarcasm is showing. Sorry, but we're getting off topic. I don't think any violence is the resolve to situations, but when it comes down to it, people should have things in place to defend themselves.[/QUOTE] i lived outside of a suburban area and that's still hilariously and pathetically self-aggrandising

[QUOTE=The golden;42494131]Let's not increase the amount of guns in Canada by arming every citizen, thanks. We have problems with guns as it is, let's not add more.[/QUOTE] We don't have a gun problem, we have a gang problem, and guns only account for about 25% of murders in the country, compared to 33% with blades. There's also anywhere between 9 million (statistically valid as of April 2012, from gun registry data) and 24 million (high estimates from Canada's National Firearms Association on unregistered guns potentially present in the country), though most people now seem to feel the number is closer to 16 million. There is about 1 gun for every 2 people already, and we don't see rampant murder here with them. Also, I'm not sure about Aman, but the idea of CCW pushed by most activists is not one of "Let's hand out pistols to everyone!" It's one of making available a training course and test of some kind that individuals can take if they wish to protect themselves with a firearm that will train them adequately in the appropriate use of force so they won't be irresponsible and/or dangerous with their carry firearm (which we technically already have and can take), and then making it so the decision of getting the carry permit is not up to the whim of a bureaucrat (which, as of right now, it is. It is basically just if the CFO of the province likes you enough, which none of them do for anyone. This is "may-issue"), people want the permits to be issued if the training requirements are met (issuing the permit if the requirements are met, and taking the subjectivity of a bureaucrat out of it is "shall-issue").

[QUOTE=Aman;42494102]Sorry I just disagree with the dumb idea that apparently having a gun somehow puts you worse off. You don't have a gun, get attacked You do have a gun, get attacked what scenario would you rather take part in?[/QUOTE] Yeah, That's totally what I said. Great job there sport-o. Wanna go outside and toss some catch for your effort?

[QUOTE=Aman;42493656]A gun is a true equalizer. I do carry a knife but a knife is a one trick pony, I either scare the guy(s) off and disengage from the situation ASAP, or the guy(s) calls my bluff and come at me. A struggle with a knife isn't something you want to be involved in. A gun in the guys face and he can't do fuck all unless he wants to die.[/QUOTE] you're gonna get fucking shanked if you pull a gun on a guy with a knife.

[QUOTE=The-Spy;42494323]You can carry a pocket knife up to 4-5 inces, concealed. But if you were to use it as a weapon, even for self defense, you can still be charged. This includes using a gun in Canada for home defense; if you were to shoot a guy in your house, even for a good reason like him aiming at you, you are still going to get arrested until you are taken to court and proven justifiable. There are some people who even had jail time and other charges for using their gun even in fear of their lives. It kind of sucks in my opinion. If you think otherwise, I suggest you taking a look at the provincial laws for gun use, which are all pretty much the same.[/QUOTE] While it does sort of suck, the point is not to escalate violence. Using a weapon means you can't claim self defense, unless your attacker is also armed with an equal weapon or you fear your immediate death.

[QUOTE=Aman;42494208]Well sorry if you interpret me in that way, cause I don't. I just don't see the reasoning in why we shouldn't be able to. I'm just pissed off that being in public = you being defenseless cause the government says so in the misguided reason of "safety". Shit that is tailored for self defense is banned outright in Canada, stun guns/tasers, pepper spray, batons, etc. Why? what the fuck is the reasoning? [/QUOTE] That's not how the laws work. You can defend yourself with the same or slightly higher force. Just because the law says its illegal doesn't mean its the same once in court. They use the reasonable man once you're in court. Which comes down to is it reasonable use of force so if three guys attacked you and you pulled a knife (which is legal to carry as long as its not concealed) then defended yourself with that because they did not back off. You are still in the right because it is reasonable amount of force for the situation. All the self defense laws are based around reasonable use of force to defend yourself. Of course when it comes down to police catching you with you just need a reasonable reason to have it. Where I live their are wild animals that roam around the town at night. The first thing you do when people attack you in Canada is run then use force if they catch you because its the most reasonable thing. Things that are illegal to buy for the idea of self defense is because they can also be used to attack people with no defense in mind.

[QUOTE=The-Spy;42494323]You can carry a pocket knife up to 4-5 inces, concealed. But if you were to use it as a weapon, even for self defense, you can still be charged. This includes using a gun in Canada for home defense; if you were to shoot a guy in your house, even for a good reason like him aiming at you, you are still going to get arrested until you are taken to court and proven justifiable. There are some people who even had jail time and other charges for using their gun even in fear of their lives. It kind of sucks in my opinion. If you think otherwise, I suggest you taking a look at the provincial laws for gun use, which are all pretty much the same.[/QUOTE] because you are 'supposed' to call the police in a situation like that, which in all honesty getting your gun out of a safe, taking the ammo out of a box, loading your gun probably takes a similar amount of time considering cops are pretty quick to respond.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42493975]Is Surrey really that bad? I just thought it was a normal bedroom community? [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] (this is a nova scotian talking about his small experiences with bc)[/QUOTE] It's not that bad. Crime's everywhere, and all things considered it's not actually that bad here compared to a lot of places. There was a drive-by pepper spraying a few months back. [editline]merge denied[/editline] Then again I live almost right next to the mall, so ehh.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;42494424]It's not that bad. Crime's everywhere, and all things considered it's not actually that bad here compared to a lot of places. There was a drive-by pepper spraying a few months back.[/QUOTE] coming from someone who spends about 3 months of his year in surrey, it's not bad at all I haven't ever felt like my life or my well being was in danger at any point.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;42494407]you're gonna get fucking shanked if you pull a gun on a guy with a knife.[/QUOTE] Plus, guns cannot just be "had" like a fucking movie. You have to maintain them, clean them, practice with them and get a feel for them. You have to go through at least a few legal hoops to get one and have to get certified to carry one. And then you need conceal-carry warrants. This isn't even going into drawing, aiming, and firing a gun. The psychological trauma of having [I]fucking shot[/I] someone, the recoil, legal repercussions, and monetary repercussions of using a gun in self-defense. Honestly, for the amount of money and effort that it takes to get a gun, I'd rather just risk having to go 'unarmed' (like a normal person) around and if I get assaulted, then I have my body and nearby objects to defend myself (if I even need to, since evidently because I live in a suburban area I'm free from being accosted, scot-free, despite having been threatened and chased before in the area I live in. Guess those were just dreams and my area is totally 200% safe and clean and white.)

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;42494422] which in all honesty getting your gun out of a safe, taking the ammo out of a box, loading your gun probably takes a similar amount of time considering cops are pretty quick to respond.[/QUOTE] more like press 4 buttons, safe opens, pick up handgun, insert magazine. ~6 seconds.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;42494424]It's not that bad. Crime's everywhere, and all things considered it's not actually that bad here compared to a lot of places. There was a drive-by pepper spraying a few months back. [editline]merge denied[/editline] Then again I live almost right next to the mall, so ehh.[/QUOTE] Well there are a lot of small street gangs that are thriving off the heroin, meth, and weed trades in the Lower Mainland and down through Seattle They're very rarely fatally violent, but as we saw a few years back it can flare up to get pretty bad