• Shots fired near Canadian parliament, gunman still on the loose
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[QUOTE=alexk;46306805]Stephen Harper is supposed to talk about it soon, [url]http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/10/22/watch-live-prime-minister-stephen-harper-addressing-canadians-events-occurred[/url][/QUOTE] Did I miss when he did it in English? I turned it on and he's speaking French
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;46306962]Did I miss when he did it in English? I turned it on and he's speaking French[/QUOTE] Yes. He basically just said "This will not intimidate us. We will double our security efforts and efforts overseas. Come together, Canada"
If there's one way to unite the west against you it's doing things like this. I don't think they seem to understand this.
[QUOTE=Brandy92;46307016]If there's one way to unite the west against you it's doing things like this. I don't think they seem to understand this.[/QUOTE] No they understand it perfectly, and I highly doubt these were [I]actual [/I]ISIS guys just some tryhards who sympathize. [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] Legit ISIS guys simply wouldn't get in the country. [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] To preface this no I don't think under any circumstances is this action justified: But really what do you expect? Canada follows along with the US on their 3rd crusade in the middle east, Canada sends attack planes over to do strikes of course you'd expect them to be mad at Canada and there to be retaliation. Cause and effect, in their eyes Canadian military involvement justifies their actions. All you need is one crazy dude to go for the gusto. I don't think we should've gotten involved in any of it. Interventionism has solved nothing in the past 20 years. I'm curious as to if we would've had a non-Harper PM if they would've gone along with the US as well.
What concerns me is what will change to security on parliment hill. For decades it's been famous for it's low level security and tourists being allowed to go just about anywhere because we've had close incidents before but nothing to this extent. It would be unfortunate if they closed public access to the lawns or ended public tours/began banning various apparel due to potential security risks. I remember the cauldron during the 2010 olympics. During the games it was surrounded by an ugly temporary fence and after the games it was surrounded with an IR curtain that sounds an alarm if anyone leaned into the pool under it. Even my premier said that sure it's good to look at security again but you're making a big mistake by preventing easy public access. It's one of the few times I can agree on the terms with that witch....
[QUOTE=pentium;46307182]What concerns me is what will change to security on parliment hill. For decades it's been famous for it's low level security and tourists being allowed to go just about anywhere because we've had close incidents before but nothing to this extent. It would be unfortunate if they closed public access to the lawns or ended public tours/began banning various apparel due to potential security risks. Even my premier said that sure it's good to look at security again but you're making a big mistake by preventing easy public access. It's one of the few times I can agree on the terms with that witch....[/QUOTE] In the 1980s there was a similar incident in Parliament where a guy went in with an SMG and killed 3 people and injured over 10. That didn't change security drastically so i doubt this will either
Also seems a little convenient that this has happened at the same time when most countries such as Australia have tightened security at Parliament and seems like Canada didn't really follow the lead [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] But I can't blame them, you wouldn't expect this shit to happen any day [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] At least your MP's know how to keep a gunman out [IMG]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5834724-3x2-940x627.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Pandamox;46307207]In the 1980s there was a similar incident in Parliament where a guy went in with an SMG and killed 3 people and injured over 10. That didn't change security drastically so i doubt this will either[/QUOTE] You can't compare pre and post 9/11 incidents. In the modern era excessive security is the best way to boost political gains or push a sense of security, even if it causes a major inconvenience to everyone and otherwise makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;46307207]In the 1980s there was a similar incident in Parliament where a guy went in with an SMG and killed 3 people and injured over 10. That didn't change security drastically so i doubt this will either[/QUOTE] That was in Quebec's parliament actually unless there's another shooting at Ottawa I don't remember. Here's the SMG guy chilling on the throne: [IMG]http://www.murderpedia.org/male.L/images/lortie_dennis/lortie_001.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46307230]Also seems a little convenient that this has happened at the same time when most countries such as Australia have tightened security at Parliament and seems like Canada didn't really follow the lead [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] But I can't blame them, you wouldn't expect this shit to happen any day [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] At least your MP's know how to keep a gunman out [t]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5834724-3x2-940x627.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Is the guy in the wheelchair doing a wheelie?
[QUOTE=pentium;46307262]You can't compare pre and post 9/11 incidents. In the modern era excessive security is the best way to boost political gains or push a sense of security, even if it causes a major inconvenience to everyone and otherwise makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Fuck the society we live in.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46307271]Is the guy in the wheelchair doing a wheelie?[/QUOTE] He was going to use himself as another chair to block the door ofc
[QUOTE=Aman;46307275]Fuck the society we live in.[/QUOTE] It's also unfortunate that this is about as far as we can go in terms of complaining now. Question or criticize our base views and beliefs and you're branded a fanatic.
Dang. I keep seeing this in the news. At first, a random islamic guy goes hit two solder in my own city ( St-Jean sur Richelieu ) I was supposed to go there when it happened. Then you have the shooter at the parlement... What the hell? Plus, I have friends which are joining the army reserve in the coming weeks/months
[QUOTE=Fort83;46307390]I am too hopefully, just waiting on the final offer.[/QUOTE] Have fun, thanks for serving the country :D
[QUOTE=Fort83;46307390]I am too hopefully, just waiting on the final offer.[/QUOTE] Good luck and stay safe!
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[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46307230]Also seems a little convenient that this has happened at the same time when most countries such as Australia have tightened security at Parliament and seems like Canada didn't really follow the lead [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] But I can't blame them, you wouldn't expect this shit to happen any day [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] At least your MP's know how to keep a gunman out [IMG]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5834724-3x2-940x627.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Perhaps for the coming months or so security will be tightened just to discourage any wannabe terrorists that want to follow suit. Hopefully in a year or so they'll relax security again. To be honest I think the situation has been contained as well as it could be expected and sources sources such as CBC seem to have done a good job of focusing on the Police's response and the events themselves rather than the shooters.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;46308516]Perhaps for the coming months or so security will be tightened just to discourage any wannabe terrorists that want to follow suit. Hopefully in a year or so they'll relax security again. To be honest I think the situation has been contained as well as it could be expected and sources sources such as CBC seem to have done a good job of focusing on the Police's response and the events themselves rather than the shooters.[/QUOTE] I think the outcome of this situation only highlights the strength of security at the parliament building, not a weakness. The shooter probably intended to do far more harm than he was able to do. A huge overreaction is exactly what we need to [i]not[/i] do because if this actually was an attempt at terrorism then by overreacting we're basically admitting defeat.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;46308516]Perhaps for the coming months or so security will be tightened just to discourage any wannabe terrorists that want to follow suit. Hopefully in a year or so they'll relax security again. To be honest I think the situation has been contained as well as it could be expected and sources sources such as CBC seem to have done a good job of focusing on the Police's response and the events themselves rather than the shooters.[/QUOTE] so is the Australian national broadcaster, that's why you can trust them more than the big media outlets
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46308765]I think the outcome of this situation only highlights the strength of security at the parliament building, not a weakness. The shooter probably intended to do far more harm than he was able to do. A huge overreaction is exactly what we need to [i]not[/i] do because if this actually was an attempt at terrorism then by overreacting we're basically admitting defeat.[/QUOTE] Yeah, totally. I mean, only one death and a non-civilian at that? That's pretty amazing numbers for a terrorist attack.
ISIS uses strike fear, it is ineffective. Now it's Canada's turn.
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;46309292]ISIS uses strike fear, it is ineffective. Now it's Canada's turn.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sure we're already putting together a bunch of fighters to bomb the shit out of several ISIS locations. If it's one thing that you get from killing a Canadian, it's not fear, it's powerful intelligence, and strength to overcome. They feared Canadians in WW2, and ISIS will fear us more so.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46307230] At least your MP's know how to keep a gunman out [IMG]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5834724-3x2-940x627.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] If they did gain entry, i would feel more sorry for the disabled MP, wouldn't be able to do jack shit.
[QUOTE=madmax678;46312562]If they did gain entry, i would feel more sorry for the disabled MP, wouldn't be able to do jack shit.[/QUOTE] At last he's safe. That's what matters.
Kevin Vickers got a standing ovation in parliament [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29746466"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29746466[/URL]
I live right next to bagotville military base, they are currently on panic since yesterday, but today there is a roadblock and a few armed soldier waiting, i had to enter for a delivery and they searched my truck and myself before i could go in.
I'm starting to piece together what we currently know about Buddy. He had a long record of B&E/drug possession charges in Vancouver which is already a mental health hotspot on the west coast and seems to attract people from all over Canada, no matter how poor they are. (we see them all the time drift through town, stealing anything not bolted down) His brain being cooked, he tried to assimilate into another group to "beat the system" and that turned out to be our garden variety radical islamic group. He proceeds to migrate east again and ends up in Ottawa because by now Services Canada is not liking his BG check for his passport. After finally getting told in person that he's not getting a passport to go do his thing overseas, he flips, asks his dealer for a piece and goes on a rampage. He sounds a lot less of the cold-blooded convert we've already seen and if CSIS didn't see him then it's probable his actions were simply so scrambled from his health it was just a matter of time before he popped a fuse. Should this actually be the case then I don't understand continuing a country-wide heightened level of security over a dead crackhead following what the voices in his head told him to do.
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